songbird70 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Just wondered what yall all think out there about psychics...have you ever seen one, what was the reading like, and if not, are you so religious that you think they are evil??? Just wanting feedback and would be very interested to know your take on this subject. Link to post Share on other sites
Hawaii50 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 99.99% charlatans. Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Just wondered what yall all think out there about psychics...have you ever seen one, what was the reading like, and if not, are you so religious that you think they are evil??? Just wanting feedback and would be very interested to know your take on this subject. The father of physics, Isaac Newton, was a Christian who believed the Bible and interpreted it literally. "There are more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history." -Isaac Newton “About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition.” -Isaac Newton Link to post Share on other sites
Hawaii50 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 The father of physics, Isaac Newton, was a Christian who believed the Bible and interpreted it literally. "There are more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history." -Isaac Newton “About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition.” -Isaac Newton Father of Newtonian physics, yes, but otherwise.. I'm going to build a center for kids who can't read good and want to learn to do other stuff good, too. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Father of Newtonian physics, yes, but otherwise.. Physics which are still taught in high school, college, and graduate text books. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Physics which are still taught in high school, college, and graduate text books. Don't listen to him man. He thinks guys like Newton and Einstein are a bunch of fakes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Eve Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Just wondered what yall all think out there about psychics...have you ever seen one, what was the reading like, and if not, are you so religious that you think they are evil??? Just wanting feedback and would be very interested to know your take on this subject. Even though you said this.. .. Same answer as usual. Some psychics do have a gift which is reliable some are not so because they do not have God in their heart and their lives. I see a psychic who is simply.. the ****. She is a Godly woman who can clearly see 2 - 3 years into the future, since being a child. I would not see a person who does not know God as all they will be telling you is stuff about this world and not about your God given purpose/s. Take care, Eve x 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Hawaii50 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Don't listen to him man. He thinks guys like Newton and Einstein are a bunch of fakes. You're bad! Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 And also believed in alchemy, and lots of other silly things. Seriously, why are you so dishonest that you keep repeating this vacuous appeal to authority after it's been dismantled 2 or 3 times over? He had reason to believe alchemy might be true. That's why he spent time studying it. So why doesn't every scientist just all-knowingly abandon any pursuit in advance when it's not true. That's really wise. We'd have an awful lot of progress and discovery that way. And, regardless, you're making an isolated point about a man who was brilliant and contributed more in his lifetime than most scientists in the 20th century combined. Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 newton was an athest as was darwin The sky is orange. Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Perhaps this would be a good time to explain the difference between knowledge and intelligence. Knowledge is the total sum of facts and information that a person or group possesses. Obviously, modern day humans have more knowledge simply due to the fact that knowledge is cumulative--we receive it from our ancestors and it's passed down. Intelligence, however, is independent of knowledge. It relates to a person's ability to process information, adapt, and form conclusions based on available knowledge. You can hypothetically have a person who lived hundreds, even thousands, of years ago be more intelligent than a person living in current times (even with all our knowledge). This is why I bring up Isaac Newton. I propose that, while he lived in the past and therefore was a "product of the times", he possessed greater intelligence than 99% of humans in history--including the current time. And for this reason, regardless of time period, he is a person whose opinion we should listen to. Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 How do you quantify intelligence so that you can go on to claim he was smarter than 99% of humans in history? Also, if you were honest with yourself and others for a moment, the only real reason you bring up Newton is because he shares certain religious beliefs with you. It's an established pattern of behaviour with you, in that you only ever bring up authorities because they share your beliefs on religion or UFOs, and despite the fact that their arguments in support of these things are either debunked or merely unconvincing, you point to their accomplishments in other areas as if that spills over into their more erroneous ideas. Okay, I will start bringing up people who I disagree with when I'm trying to prove a point--that way it will make my point stronger. Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) It's an established pattern of behaviour with you, in that you only ever bring up authorities because they share your beliefs on religion or UFOs, and despite the fact that their arguments in support of these things are either debunked or merely unconvincing, you point to their accomplishments in other areas as if that spills over into their more erroneous ideas. My UFO theory has been "debunked" on this forum? Buddy, what are you smoking? Try informing yourself about the latest research. Here's a decent place to start. Then get back to me: UFOs: Generals,Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record: Leslie Kean: 9780307716842: Amazon.com: Books You wanna talk about being a "product of your times"? From my perspective, you have just swallowed up the general opinion of society about UFOs as being nothing more than a fringe-type subject for quacks. But remember what Einstein said? "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." Edited October 27, 2012 by M30USA Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 No, you should bring up arguments and evidence that support your point, not just people who made the same point. How many times do I have to explain the argument from authority fallacy to you? Seriously, M30, how many times? This feels like the 3rd or 4th at the very least. To further emphasise this point, I don't recall you even once bringing up what Newton's views on Christianity actually were, or any valid argument he made concerning Biblical prophecy. You just invoke him in name only. Why stop there? Is it because his actual views are too occultist for your, or beacuse he vehemently denied the trinity? And if that's the case, if you can't find an actual argument of his you're willing to stand behind, why drag his name into it at all? Thanks for enlightening me about things I already know. I don't want to distract from the subject at hand. Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Not in this thread, we're not. Do you care to make a relevant response? I was talking about your claim that UFOs have been debunked. Are you aware that 400 pilots, gov't officials, or generals have gone on the record (during the White House National Press Club) and testified--as witnesses--to UFOs, almost all of which believe, in their expert trained opinion, that they are NOT from earth or manmade? (I bring this up not as an "argument from authority fallacy" but rather to show they are expert witnesses, which consitutues evidence.) Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 So are you going to investigate this evidence for UFOs that has been presented to you or not? As it stands, you believe UFOs are a hoax. In all honesty, have you gotten this idea from Hollywood? I am not being sarcastic in the least. Most people don't even realize WHY they walk around with a poo-poo attitude of UFOs. They never stop to examine where that idea came from. It's usually from Hollywood and the media, in all honesty. Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 UFO's aren't even the topic here, and I don't especially care one way or the other. I just made one offhand mention of them as an example of a broader pattern of behaviour you exhibit here, namely fallacious appeals to authority. They are off-topic and I (for one) am quite frankly sick and tired of the way you constantly try to shoe-horn them into nearly every discussion you bluster into on here. We get that you're obsessed with UFOs and angels, but can you at least exhibit a tiny amount of restraint and respect for the actual topics at hand? I'm done here. Not contributing any more to this trainwreck. My bad, man. I have just done lots of research on the subject and naturally share it with others. I, too, once thought it was a hoax and full of quackery. The biggest irony is that I started investigating as a result of what the BIBLE says. There are too many verses which are, in all honesty, really out there and make ZERO sense unless they are referring to UFOs. So that's how it started. Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Just wondered what yall all think out there about psychics...have you ever seen one, what was the reading like, and if not, are you so religious that you think they are evil??? Just wanting feedback and would be very interested to know your take on this subject. OH MY GOSH! I just realized the OP was about PSYCHICS. Not PHYSICS. That is hilarious! 3 Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 quickjoe, Are you a Wizard of Oz fan? Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 psychics...have you ever seen one, what was the reading like, and if not, are you so religious that you think they are evil??? So, psychic=evil, in the religious community? Why? Isn't the bible filled with prophetic visions from God? And what do non-Abrahamic religions feel about it? I agree with another poster who said that the world of "psychics" is primarly filled with swindlers who know how to manipulate people's weaknesses. But, if we can communicate towards the spiritual realm, why wouldn't the spiritual realm be able to communicate with us? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 quickjoe, Are you a Wizard of Oz fan? I think he's a fan of the man of straw... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Hawaii50 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 OH MY GOSH! I just realized the OP was about PSYCHICS. Not PHYSICS. That is hilarious! it was going to happen sooner or later I didn't have the heart to tell you, you were adamant 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Hawaii50 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 My take on ET.. It's mathematically impossible for life not to exist elsewhere in the cosmos. There are more galaxies in the cosmos that grains of sand on earth. Psychics.. There are people out there able to sense/perceive more than the average person. But most, as i said in my first post, are charlatans, and prey on the week that are reaching for answers. The real thing isn't for sale. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 My take on ET.. It's mathematically impossible for life not to exist elsewhere in the cosmos. There are more galaxies in the cosmos that grains of sand on earth. Carl Sagan said that, if a person wants to support the idea of life outside earth, he/she cannot use that argument. The size of the universe and the probability of life existing are two independent factors. It would be like saying that there must be a pair of red Air Jordan shoes floating around somewhere in space...just because it's so big. False logic. I happen to believe life exists outside earth, and so did Sagan. But Sagan said you must pick a different line of reasoning to support your belief. Link to post Share on other sites
Hawaii50 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Carl Sagan said that, if a person wants to support the idea of life outside earth, he/she cannot use that argument. The size of the universe and the probability of life existing are two independent factors. It would be like saying that there must be a pair of red Air Jordan shoes floating around somewhere in space...just because it's so big. False logic. I happen to believe life exists outside earth, and so did Sagan. But Sagan said you must pick a different line of reasoning to support your belief. Your are correct, Carl Sagan did say that. It was in his book "candle-light in the darkness", and excellent read that also that highlights a factual basis for traditional western religions NOT to exist. My statement is a fact. Your red air-jordans are not. You're using rhetoric to skew this conversation. only thing is.. your rhetoric would only hold water if there was already a pair of airjordans manifested in space.... then, maybe. Otherwise, as portrait in other parts of LS, you're bringing me a scarecrow argument. The Earth already exists... we're talking about object with enough mass and happened to go through the same, or similiar, sequence of events as Earth. With the Kepler eye-balling our galaxy, they're discovering planets that suit a few of the variables every couple weeks. The drake equation is being modernized with recent technology, and the number is getting lower and lower as the years go on. Granted it's so negligible since where dealing with 20 digit numbers, but yeah.. Mathematically impossible for life not to exist elsewhere. I hold strong to Sagan's mathematically impossibility. There are parts of space we haven't can't or haven't seen yet, energies/processes we can't understand.. Low-Life has already been found on Meteors from mars, correct? Are you for or against life elsewhere.. or do you think we're the only ones here? Even if just philosophically, seems like such a waste of space, to me. :/ Link to post Share on other sites
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