Wife submitting to husband...

[M30USA]

Truthfully, hardly anyone knows of my UFO/ET views. I understand the risk involved if people discover it--especially at work. Even Fife Symington, Governer of AZ, who witnessed the famous UFO in 1997 in Phoenix, didn't admit he believes its from outside earth until after he retired! There is a definite negative stigma associated with it. I think that's why I overcompensate on this site. It's the only place I can safely discuss it.

[TheFinalWord]

My ex wife's dad bends over backwards for his wife and is a human packmule for her, yet all I ever see is her throwing fits and being incessantly hard on him. So I disagree that all women will treat a husband well if he takes a loving lead. Women are accountable adults too.

 

Taking a loving lead does not mean being a doormat. Christ was only a scapegoat during His Passion; the rest of His ministry He told the truth and was killed for it.

 

A strong leader is a source of protection. We submit to God's laws to come under his protective covering and to find sanctuary and rest in this life.

 

"Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty."

 

One of my favorite passages, which gives the benefit of submitting to the Lord:

 

"You guide me with your counsel in this life, and afterward you will take me into glory. Whom have I in heaven but you? And earth has nothing I desire besides you."

[M30USA]

Taking a loving lead does not mean being a doormat. Christ was only a scapegoat during His Passion; the rest of His ministry He told the truth and was killed for it.

 

A strong leader is a source of protection. We submit to God's laws to come under his protective covering and to find sanctuary and rest in this life.

 

"Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty."

 

One of my favorite passages, which gives the benefit of submitting to the Lord:

 

"You guide me with your counsel in this life, and afterward you will take me into glory. Whom have I in heaven but you? And earth has nothing I desire besides you."

 

Yea, dude, totally in agreement. But when you're married to a real person, all the theory and Scriptures in the world might not mean anything. Scripture is rational, people are irrational.

[BetheButterfly]

Well, then at least you understand that both sides of the coin need to be present for this sort of relationship dynamic to work out. Only the husband giving up his life, or only the wife submitting, would quickly lead to abuse and imbalance.

So true and incredibly important!!!

 

However, some Christians who desire to obey this instruction literally are having a difficult time finding a suitable partner in the modern world.

 

Sad but very true. I wish that weren't the case...

 

A friend of mine serves full-time in an Anglican church - she is devoted, knowledgable in Scripture, and really quite brilliant and lovely, a girl that any Christian man would be proud to bring home. She has been single most of her life except for one man whom she dated for a while, though, because she says that she cannot find a man whom she can submit to.

 

Men need to rise to the occasion. They can do it too. Some just don't want to be worthy... or maybe they feel they can't? I don't get it.

Because the modern man is taught to always place his own well-being first, instead of putting his wife's and family's well-being above himself.

 

Ahh ok... now I'm getting it. Yeah and the modern woman is also taught to put her own well-being before anyone elses in some ways...

 

Also, in Paul's day, the men were almost always more spiritually mature than the women, because women were just beginning to be allowed in places of worship, and just starting to be taught to read at home. So there was no issue in finding a man who was capable of being a woman's spiritual leader.

 

I disagree with that but I understand how this can be concluded. The reason I disagree is because even though at that time, women were not given a quality education as to reading and being publicly vocal, they were in my opinion the heart... for example, the Hebrew ladies guided how their families were going to be in many ways, while at the same time submitting to their husbands... amazing this process. I think Proverbs 31 shows this.

 

 

Some modern Christians realize these difficulties and believe that some teachings, such as Paul's, need to be adapted to the modern life.

 

100% agree, same as with teachings in the Tanakh or Old Testament.

Some continue to hold on to them despite the difficulties of finding a mate. I have seen both maintain successful relationships, as long as both partners are on the same page with regards to that. One-sided adherence does not work, as you have noted.

 

100% agreed

And I notice that many men often throw out the 'submit!' card, without realizing what goes into the other side of it - giving up one's life for the wife, if needed.

 

100% agreed.