sick of it all Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 the truth is that *he* had the commitment to you, and not her. Wrong. The truth IS... Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge. Marriage must be respected by all, and the marriage bed kept undefiled, because God will judge immoral people and adulterers. Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge. Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for God will judge the immoral and adulterous. Let marriage be held every way in honour, and the bed be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers will God judge. Link to post Share on other sites
morgana Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 not that i want to get in a philosophcial or religious debate but.... IMO the first part of your message is what's important.... since many don't believe in God or the same version of a god it's hard to convince me that one should respect their vows simply because it says in the bible that God will judge. don't get me wrong, it would be nice if spouses remained faithful but faithful because of their committment not out of fear of punishment in an "afterlife." i've always had a bit of a problem with "canned" wedding vows, for better of for worse are just words, so is in sickness and in health (i had a nasty health issue - cancer - which my ex-husband and his family treated as something I WAS DOING TO HIM not something that wa happening to me). needless to say, his parents are two of the most religious and uncaring people i know. so, yes, i too made those vows and i seen several sides of infidelity and yes, it sucks from a number of perspectives. so my point is people shouldn't remain faithful because they fear a god, or because the fear each other, or fear the embarassment, or fear anything. it shouldn't even be out of a sense of committment. it should be out of love, respect and genuinely caring about the person you've chosen to share your life! if people only stay together out of fear, there will continue to be a lot of unhappy marriages out there. don't get me wrong, i'm not saying people should leave at the first sign of trouble..... Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Spock Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Originally posted by sick of it all the truth is that *he* had the commitment to you, and not her. Wrong. The truth IS... Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge. Marriage must be respected by all, and the marriage bed kept undefiled, because God will judge immoral people and adulterers. Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge. Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for God will judge the immoral and adulterous. Let marriage be held every way in honour, and the bed be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers will God judge. So what about us that think the bible is a bunch of horsesh*t? And I think 99 percent of this board are fornicators. See you in hell. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Come on Mr. Spock!!! I think that to a certain extend, fear is good in a relationship, based on fear of God or not. Such as, the fear of catching a STD if a person cheats, fear of making your SO unhappy when faced with a decision, fear of going broke because of credit debt. Those type of fears. The Fear of God is a way of life for the Christian. It's not for everyone as Mr. Spock pointed out. But when you look at the OW or the Infidelity subjects you'll mainly find heartache and guilt. Now I'm not saying that God puts this on those who are unfaithful, but I'm also not going to deny that it's a possibility. I think that no matter what religion if any you may have, deep down, anyone who has been unfaithful or has been involved in an affair has had guilt, and wind up hurt or unable to trust anyone. What sick of it all wrote is just the truth in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
YellowLioness Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Moose---- I think that people who engage in immoral conduct that causes pain to others bring pain upon themselves. I don't know how much God has to do with it. Not that I don't believe in God, I just think that he lets us make our own decisions, and then lets us live with the consequences and learn. Sometimes people have to go through the fire in order to learn anything about themselves. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 YellowLioness, You are absolutley correct!!! Thanks for the clarification. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Spock Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 The Fear of God is a way of life for the Christian. It's not for everyone as Mr. Spock pointed out. But when you look at the OW or the Infidelity subjects you'll mainly find heartache and guilt. Now I'm not saying that God puts this on those who are unfaithful, but I'm also not going to deny that it's a possibility. I think that no matter what religion if any you may have, deep down, anyone who has been unfaithful or has been involved in an affair has had guilt, and wind up hurt or unable to trust anyone. What I was pointing out is what does the word of God mean to those who don't believe in it? How is punishment from God a deterrent for bad behaviour if you don't believe? Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Simple, it isn't. Link to post Share on other sites
MeanNewYorker Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 The bottom line is that marriage is a vow, if for nothing else, people should not be unfaithful to preserve their own integrity. I don't get why people cheat, all the excuses in the book don't justifiy it, it's so wrong, forgetting what the actual effect of the affair is, when you cheat you're saying "my word means absolutely nothing, I cannot be trusted since I've taken a most sacred vow and basically took a sh*t all over it" Forget the religious crap, emotional crap, any other crap that arises from cheating, all excuses aside, when push comes to shove, a cheater is someone who epitomizes selfishness and complete lack of moral obligation. For all you potential cheaters out there, Meatloaf says it best: I swore that on my mother's grave that I would love you till the end of time..... Now I'm praying for the end of time to hurry up and arive, b/c if I spend another minute with you I don't that I can really survive, I never break a promise or forget my vows, but G-d only knows what I'm going through now. You're not happy? Suck it up, or be a human being and tell the person you claim to love about it, don't be a coward and lower yourself to a level that animals can't even descend to Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Originally posted by Mr Spock What I was pointing out is what does the word of God mean to those who don't believe in it? How is punishment from God a deterrent for bad behaviour if you don't believe? If you don't subscribe to a belief in God, that doesn't eliminate morality, it just means that morality manifests itself in a different way for you. If anything, it's more noble to be a moral person without a belief in God, as your motivations aren't as selfish. So, with that in mind, if an atheist decides to be a moral person, he or she can't deny that the Bible is a collection of moral authority, not from a theological standpoint, but, at the very least, from an academic one. Link to post Share on other sites
YellowLioness Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 An excellent point. I think that people tend to over look the promises they make when times get to tough for them to keep to their word with out some type of pain. Link to post Share on other sites
reservoirdog1 Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 I'm not religious or spiritual. But I do hold to most of the precepts that make up Judeo-Christian (or, frankly, most other faiths') morality. In my view, people should ideally be motivated to do what's right simply because it's right... not merely out of fear of some intangible father figure who says, "don't do that or I'll f*cking smack you." I didn't abstain from cheating because "God" told me to... I abstained from cheating because I had stood up in front of my nearest and dearest and pledged not cheat... a vow I gave freely and of my own volition. I abstained because I'd been brought up to know that my word is who I am, and that if I don't have that, I've got nothing. Trust takes years to build and seconds to destroy... so why go through all that work just for a piece of ass? So, the secular translation of Hebrews 13:4 is, "Don't Screw Around!" Or, at least, that's one man's opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Very well put!!! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites
YellowLioness Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Truly, with or with out religion, there are consequences for any action you take. Its just part of how this universe works. Link to post Share on other sites
sick of it all Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Replace the word God with Mother Nature, Buddha or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites
sick of it all Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Honnered by all is the point not who will punish Link to post Share on other sites
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