Satanism: what i learned

[The nihilst chick]

Due to dogma i was fed being part of a muslim family, the sole atheist, and from other religious info i thought of satanist as evil which i now feel stupid for.there are two sects of satanism the stereotypical theistic one where they worship him and lavyen satanism which is the so called real satanism.they dont believe in god or the devil but that the devil is a symbol of freedom and the animal nature in us all. SATANISM IS NOT SO BAD! WANNA NO MORE JUST REPLY TO ASK QUESTIONS OR DICUSS IT

[skydiveaddict]

So then the highest form of worship is worshiping yourself, right?

[pie2]

Due to dogma i was fed being part of a muslim family, the sole atheist, and from other religious info i thought of satanist as evil which i now feel stupid for.there are two sects of satanism the stereotypical theistic one where they worship him and lavyen satanism which is the so called real satanism.they dont believe in god or the devil but that the devil is a symbol of freedom and the animal nature in us all. SATANISM IS NOT SO BAD! WANNA NO MORE JUST REPLY TO ASK QUESTIONS OR DICUSS IT

 

So which is it...are you an atheist (do not believe in supernatural deities), or do you follow Satanism (a belief based on the worship of a supernatural - aka mythical, per atheists - being)?

 

Tragically, I imagine that what you're looking for is hedonism.

 

Hopefully, with time, you'll start to see this world in a better light. I hope you start to see the benefit of filling your life with love, service to others, and even possibly having a family (including having children!).

 

I believe that Christ represents these values, and have found a lot of peace through Him.

[skydiveaddict]

or do you follow Satanism (a belief based on the worship of a supernatural - aka mythical, per atheists - being)?

 

I think she's referring to the Satanism doctrine of Anton LaVey; which denies the reality of any higher being and that the only valid worship is of one's self.

[pie2]

I think she's referring to the Satanism doctrine of Anton LaVey; which denies the reality of any higher being and that the only valid worship is of one's self.

 

Oh, I think you're right.

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[skydiveaddict]

Oh, I think you're right.

 

Actually, I think medical science might define it as narcissism. if there are any MD's on here they might be able to tell us.

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[pie2]

Actually, I think medical science might define it as narcissism. if there are any MD's on here they might be able to tell us.

 

lol...well Satanists are definitely narcissistic. But even your average narcissist can accept pain and suffering in the world. Some even like it...as long as it's about them.

 

I still think that Hedonism better defines what the OP is trying to pursue.

 

Anyway, I always thought that the Satanic Bible was started as a joke...

[The nihilst chick]

So then the highest form of worship is worshiping yourself, right?

 

In satanism yes.the roots of leyvan satanism founded by anton leyvan is self indulgence and the individual.it despises worship of god gods or devils.

[M30USA]

Look up Luciferianism. It's not what you think. It says that Lucifer is the real God, not Jevohah God of the Bible. It also says that Lucifer primarily exists in a mind state or thought process which has many principles, one of which is the "law of attraction"--namely, that you can literally bring desired outcomes into being just by thinking of them. There are 2 problems with this: 1) The desires that people choose to attract are almost always wealth, prosperity, gain, power or happiness (all the things which Satan offered to Jesus which Jesus rejected); 2) It is God, and not us, who says, "I am The Lord, and my purpose will prevail." It's funny how instead of submitting to Gods will, we wind up sounding like God himself, saying, "I am Joe/Jane, and my purpose will prevail." This is precisely why such thinking is not godly, like Joel Osteen (et al) would have you think, but in complete agreement with Luciferianism.

[skydiveaddict]

lol...well Satanists are definitely narcissistic. But even your average narcissist can accept pain and suffering in the world. Some even like it...as long as it's about them.

 

I still think that Hedonism better defines what the OP is trying to pursue.

 

Anyway, I always thought that the Satanic Bible was started as a joke...

 

Yea, after considering you post, I think I can agree with all of that.

[The nihilst chick]

So which is it...are you an atheist (do not believe in supernatural deities), or do you follow Satanism (a belief based on the worship of a supernatural - aka mythical, per atheists - being)?

 

Tragically, I imagine that what you're looking for is hedonism.

 

Hopefully, with time, you'll start to see this world in a better light. I hope you start to see the benefit of filling your life with love, service to others, and even possibly having a family (including having children!).

 

I believe that Christ represents these values, and have found a lot of peace through Him.

Slow down there...i dont want be a satanist i just wanted to end a important misconception that is bloodthirsty a cult.one of the satanic sins is herd conformity. and i am speaking about leyven satanism not the stereotypical devil worshipping sect we imagine.to people of leyvan satanism they r dumb and not real satanist for worshipping and believing in a actual being. i am not for hedonism but i agree with some of the rules and sins i was suprised at how practical and agreeable many of their rules were i was suprised by the very fact they had a moral code!

[The nihilst chick]

I think she's referring to the Satanism doctrine of Anton LaVey; which denies the reality of any higher being and that the only valid worship is of one's self.

correct and he was a interesting man. Like if you read his rules and sins alot of em r seasonable but some r kinda cold like stay away from physic vampires people who r weak etc who just take from you and never give anything in return

[The nihilst chick]

Oh, I think you're right.

He despised christianity anton laveyan sorry i mispelled his name and i think they r atheistic not exactly atheist in the strictest sense becuz they worship themselves

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[pie2]

Slow down there...i dont want be a satanist i just wanted to end a important misconception that is bloodthirsty a cult.

 

lol!

 

Umm...your VEHMT thread, for which you seem to be a pretty big proponent, started the same way...

 

Basically people who wish for humans to stop having babies so our population will decrease and earth will return to its former glory....

What do you think?

 

So, sorry if I'm skeptical.

 

...i agree with some of the rules and sins i was suprised at how practical and agreeable many of their rules were i was suprised by the very fact they had a moral code!...Like if you read his rules and sins alot of em r seasonable but some r kinda cold like stay away from physic vampires people who r weak etc who just take from you and never give anything in return

 

 

I'm sorry NC...but all of this is making me laugh!

[The nihilst chick]

Stupidity

Pretentiousness

Solipsism

Self deceit

Herd conformity

Lack of perspective

Counterproductive pride

 

What do u think

[pie2]

Stupidity

 

 

Now I know it's a joke

[The nihilst chick]

lol!

 

Umm...your VEHMT thread, for which you seem to be a pretty big proponent, started the same way...

 

 

 

So, sorry if I'm skeptical.

 

 

 

 

I'm sorry NC...but all of this is making me laugh!

well ya i thought it was dumb but looking at it from a serious perspective his stuff was pretty much common sense and courtesy.I just enjoy talking about interesting new ideas that are taboo to most. I hope you dont think im for satanism i just dont view it as darkly after actully doing research and i realize i was being ignorant about em just as ppl r about atheists.This thread isnt to gather new converts but to end misconception.is that still leaving you skeptical?

[pie2]

well ya i thought it was dumb but looking at it from a serious perspective his stuff was pretty much common sense and courtesy.I just enjoy talking about interesting new ideas that are taboo to most. I hope you dont think im for satanism i just dont view it as darkly after actully doing research and i realize i was being ignorant about em just as ppl r about atheists.This thread isnt to gather new converts but to end misconception.is that still leaving you skeptical?

 

Nah, OP...I'm glad to hear it!! And I admire the desire to explore different ideas! I hope you don't dabble in anything like Satanism, though...nothing good can come of it, imo

[The nihilst chick]

lol!

 

Umm...your VEHMT thread, for which you seem to be a pretty big proponent, started the same way...

 

 

 

So, sorry if I'm skeptical.

 

 

 

 

I'm sorry NC...but all of this is making me laugh!

I dont understand his rule about magic at all...but one of his rules were if u cant respect someone when you go to their house, dont go othere at all.dont kill kids or non human animals unless for self defense or food. Give respect to those who deserve it etc etc i was hoping for a serious discussion about the strengths and flaws of satanism and wanted to ending misconceptions. One thing i like about satanism is it doesnt demand ur absolute obedience u r to go on your own path etc.i hate herd conformity.i think its dumb to show respect to someone who treats u badly.i think animals shouldnt be killed for sport.i hate stupidity, not keeping yourself informed purposely which i did coming to atheism and satanism.i thought both isms were bad and what not when i believed in god.not anymore. Anton hated christianity and this was his rebuttal basically.

[The nihilst chick]

 

Now I know it's a joke

 

Nah he says ignorance is one thing but stupidity as in not keeping yourself informed constantly if u dont keep urself informed society will pass u b.s and you will accept it.always seek knowledge.idk if i am too serious or your just too immature right now.

[CarrieT]

I was fairly involved with LaVey's group several decades ago (and my BF at the time babysat Stanton, Anton's grandson).

 

Suffice to say, the people involved were interest, surprisingly intelligent, and not nearly as scary as many of the born-again Christians I knew.

[pie2]

idk if i am too serious or your just too immature right now.

 

Oh, it's true, I can definitely be immature

 

No, but seriously, I really heard that the Satanic Bible was originally started as a joke. Is it true?

 

Nah he says ignorance is one thing but stupidity as in not keeping yourself informed constantly if u dont keep urself informed society will pass u b.s and you will accept it.always seek knowledge.

 

Nonetheless, I do not agree with LaVey. I try to live differently:

 

Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them. For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world. The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever. 1 John 2:15-17

 

and...

 

If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.1 Corinthians 13:1-3

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[mercy]

Oh, it's true, I can definitely be immature

 

You're so cute!

 

If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.1 Corinthians 13:1-3

 

 

 

 

Such beautiful words!

[Eve]

I was fairly involved with LaVey's group several decades ago (and my BF at the time babysat Stanton, Anton's grandson).

 

Suffice to say, the people involved were interest, surprisingly intelligent, and not nearly as scary as many of the born-again Christians I knew.

 

Interesting. So, was satan taken as a literal person?

 

I have read bits and pieces about LeVay and Crowley and their followers but not taken much notice as really who knows. All very sinister stuff, lol.

 

I have read parts of this here satanic bible (online) and it does sound like they acknowlege there is a supernatural presence if you call on satan. Not trying to be hard but I know there is a devil and demons so this does not phase me.

 

Personally I don't see the point in satanism. May as well just stick to hedonism if one does not believe in God. To purposely call upon a negative supernatural force seems more than a little silly... but hey!

 

Take care,

Eve x

[CarrieT]

Interesting. So, was satan taken as a literal person?

No.

 

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I have read bits and pieces about LeVay and Crowley and their followers but not taken much notice

I only peripherally knew the LaVey folks as I made their jewelery. I have much more knowledge and experience with Crowley (initiated into the OTO).

 

not taken much notice as really who knows. All very sinister stuff, lol.

With all due respect, without "taking much notice," I take umbrage at the concept that it is sinister. It is far from sinister. It is leaps of logic like this that bristle folks like us; the assumption that we are evil and sinister by people who don't fully investigate the doctrine and works written therein.

 

I have read parts of this here satanic bible (online) and it does sound like they acknowlege there is a supernatural presence if you call on satan. Not trying to be hard but I know there is a devil and demons so this does not phase me.

I believe there are demons, but I believe "the devil" is more part of the Christian mythos to which LaVey played in on for shock value. Far different from the demons discussed and worked with by Crowley's writings. For anyone truly interested in delving into the subject, I heartily recommend Angels, Demons and Gods of the New Millennium by Lon DuQuette. It is not full of shock-value idealogical dogma, but is - instead - a "delightfully entertaining liberal arts education in Western Hermeticism with one of America's most knowledgeable and engaging authorities!"

 

I am not a satanist. I am a Thelemite. Big difference and those who lump the followers of LaVey and Crowley together are akin to lumping Christians and Muslims together...