Satanism: what i learned

[Emilia]

Stupidity

Pretentiousness

Solipsism

Self deceit

Herd conformity

Lack of perspective

Counterproductive pride

 

What do u think

 

I'm confused. In Satanism are sins good or bad?

 

also I don't know how you can define 'counterproductive' pride. Does that mean arrogance? Sorry for the stupid questions, clearly I lack perspective.

[CarrieT]

I'm confused. In Satanism are sins good or bad?

 

also I don't know how you can define 'counterproductive' pride. Does that mean arrogance? Sorry for the stupid questions, clearly I lack perspective.

 

You can read the explanations of the Nine Sins of Satanism here.

 

In short, from Wiki:

 

The Church of Satan does not "worship" or believe in Satan, nor do they believe in gods. LaVeyan Satanism follows the belief that one self is their own "God". They do not believe in suppression of desire and human nature. "My real feeling is that anybody who believes in supernatural entities on some level is insane. Whether they believe in The Devil or God, they are abdicating reason," said Peter Gilmore.[/url] Gilmore defines the word Satan: "Satan is a model or a mode of behavior. Satan in Hebrew means 'adversary' or 'opposer'; one who questions."

[Emilia]

You can read the explanations of the Nine Sins of Satanism here.

 

In short, from Wiki:

 

Unfortunately your link is blocked at my office. I liked the Wiki definition though. I'm in.

[CarrieT]

Unfortunately your link is blocked at my office. I liked the Wiki definition though. I'm in.

 

Here is the expanded definition of the Nine Sins:

 

1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

 

2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

3. Solipsism—Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

4. Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!

5. Herd Conformity—That’s obvious from a Satanic stance. It’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6. Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

 

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

 

8. Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

 

9. Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

[Emilia]

Thank you Carrie!

[Eve]

Carrie, what did your initiation involve?

 

Take care,

Eve x

[Eve]

Also, Carrie, The Law of Attaction - is this regarded as a satanic tool?

 

Thanks.

 

Take care,

Eve x

[CarrieT]

Carrie, what did your initiation involve?

 

Take care,

Eve x

 

I cannot divulge that. Like Freemasons and other fraternities, we are sworn to secrecy.

 

Regarding the Law of Attraction in Satanism is a misconception. A "law" by definition is something that is true for everyone and every moment with no exception. The world does not manifest according to desire or attraction so I believe it is a misnomer.

[Forever Learning]

Thank you for all this information Carrie. This gives me so much to ponder. I love it!!

 

I definitely need to hang out in this section more often. So interesting.

[Eve]

I cannot divulge that. Like Freemasons and other fraternities, we are sworn to secrecy.

 

Regarding the Law of Attraction in Satanism is a misconception. A "law" by definition is something that is true for everyone and every moment with no exception. The world does not manifest according to desire or attraction so I believe it is a misnomer.

 

Ok. Thanks for that..

 

All the best,

Take care,

Eve x

[mercy]

 

 

With all due respect, without "taking much notice," I take umbrage at the concept that it is sinister. It is far from sinister. It is leaps of logic like this that bristle folks like us; the assumption that we are evil and sinister by people who don't fully investigate the doctrine and works written therein.

 

 

 

So, you don't have a bubbling cauldron in your kitchen?

[venusianx13]

I've tried to tell you in the past, this isn't just hokey-pokey. Quantum Physics will tell you that your thoughts crystallize. It's the first few spokes on the noble truths of Buddhism.

 

pearls to the pigs.

 

 

Yes, quite literally, they crystalize

 

(Water experminent by Dr. Masaro Emoto)

 

 

 

It all has to do with your intention...that is why part of Buddhist practice is to constantly check your intention. It WILL manifest, later on, as a ripening karma of some sort (be it positive or negative).

[CarrieT]

So, you don't have a bubbling cauldron in your kitchen?

 

Used to - now it is filled with knitting yarn and my cats sleep in it.

[Forever Learning]

Yes, quite literally, they crystalize

 

(Water experminent by Dr. Masaro Emoto)

 

 

 

It all has to do with your intention...that is why part of Buddhist practice is to constantly check your intention. It WILL manifest, later on, as a ripening karma of some sort (be it positive or negative).

 

That video was lovely, thank you.

[The nihilst chick]

Nah, OP...I'm glad to hear it!! And I admire the desire to explore different ideas! I hope you don't dabble in anything like Satanism, though...nothing good can come of it, imo

Thank you. Satanism has some good aspects to it.Despite its value of vengence over turn the other cheek, it encourages being yourself, knowledge etc. that is why the devil symbolizes to them freedom, he stood up against god he didnt just go with the flow.my friend said she met a satanist who said to them the devil was good for he gave knowlege to adam and eve.if he had not they would not know good and evil.it is a interesting perspective and not at all unjustified.

[The nihilst chick]

I'm confused. In Satanism are sins good or bad?

 

also I don't know how you can define 'counterproductive' pride. Does that mean arrogance? Sorry for the stupid questions, clearly I lack perspective.

Their sins are bad as in they will not help the satanist themself if they do these things.their sins are basically no nos for satanists. Satanism doesnt mind satanists taking pride in their work but counterproductive pride is not liked because it does not help the satanist.say you really need help with homework but your arrogance makes you refuse my help or anyone elses.thats counterproductive pride, when cockiness keeps you from facing the fact that you need help,you need to change.that only hurts you in the wrong run and is counterproductive does that make sense?

[The nihilst chick]

Used to - now it is filled with knitting yarn and my cats sleep in it.

 

So your not satanist correct? I am wondering why choose one of the left hand/direction etc religions over say christianity etc?

[CarrieT]

So your not satanist correct? I am wondering why choose one of the left hand/direction etc religions over say christianity etc?

 

I am not a satanist, I am a Thelemite.

 

I was a raised a Christian and starting around the age of 12, I began reading every form of religious doctrine, history, and arguments I could get my hands on. I biked to a Self Realization Fellowship. I walked to a local Catholic church. When, at 16, I got a car and began to drive, I went to Buddhist and Hindu temples, Jewish synagogues, and New Age Festivals.

 

I pretty much gave up on Christianity before my 17th birthday and studied all forms of occultism, while continuing to read the Gnostic gospels, the Zohar, the Tanakh, the Qu'ran and more. In my 20s, I had a pagan radio show and taught Wicca. By my 30s, I had settled into the Kabbalah and Thelema. It just felt right for me as I saw nothing but deceit, lies, and bad choices in the name of Christianity.

[Forever Learning]

I am not a satanist, I am a Thelemite.

 

I was a raised a Christian and starting around the age of 12, I began reading every form of religious doctrine, history, and arguments I could get my hands on. I biked to a Self Realization Fellowship. I walked to a local Catholic church. When, at 16, I got a car and began to drive, I went to Buddhist and Hindu temples, Jewish synagogues, and New Age Festivals.

 

I pretty much gave up on Christianity before my 17th birthday and studied all forms of occultism, while continuing to read the Gnostic gospels, the Zohar, the Tanakh, the Qu'ran and more. In my 20s, I had a pagan radio show and taught Wicca. By my 30s, I had settled into the Kabbalah and Thelema. It just felt right for me as I saw nothing but deceit, lies, and bad choices in the name of Christianity.

 

Wow that is really interesting Carrie. I will have to google some of these words you mentioned.

[BetheButterfly]

Stupidity

 

Stupidity isn't a sin. It's a condition that can be cured in the case of most humans with brains. Sadly, many parents or caregivers are cruel to their children and call them "Stupid." Many kids can be cruel to others and call each other "stupid."

That's just a mean insult. Sadly, many people grow up thinking they are stupid because they were told that as children. Many adults call other people stupid just because they are being spiteful and cruel.

 

Pretentiousness

 

If this has to do with lying, then yes, lying is sin, I believe. Lying prevents people from being able to know the truth, and being able to trust.

 

 

Solipsism

 

If this has to do with selfishness, I do think that selfishness leads to sin, yet it's not really a sin. It's like desire... desire can definitely lead to sin, yet desire in itself is not a sin. Selfishness is however an enemy of love, in many cases. For example, many people would choose to gratify their own desires than care for another person.

Self deceit

 

That goes back to lying.

 

Herd conformity

 

I don't see that as a sin, unless the whole herd is sinning...?

 

Lack of perspective

 

Again, not a sin. It is helpful however to gain perspective.

 

Counterproductive pride

 

Arrogance? That is sin, yeah, because it is thinking that one is superior to others, which is actually a lie.

 

What do u think

 

I think those are interesting. I personally think that Jesus' commands are awesome, about loving God, others, one's neighbors, and even one's enemies. What is difficult for me is loving my enemies, but I see the wisdom in his words and teachings. His love is awesome.

[CarrieT]

The concept of "herd conformity" as a sin in Satanism is the attempt to teach people to think for themselves; i.e. investigate and learn other, opposing views before adopting the generally accepted society norms.

 

In light of that, it would be considered a sin to just be a Christian (or Buddhist, or Muslim, or Satanist!) without reading and weighing other philosophies first. That is why it is a sin; it depicts lack of introspection or investigation and fully accepts a doctrine that is taught without questioning that said doctrine might be wrong for you - or, like in the case of the Nazis - an entire country following the words of one leader without questioning his motivations.

 

It is why I am not a Christian. I investigated other religions and found too many flaws in the Catholic church to be comfortable with the doctrine. My BF, on the other hand, converted to Christianity from Judaism; but we both respect each others paths because it was done with intelligent thought and a willingness to take other philosophies into consideration. Many people will not do that and assume - and loudly proclaim! - their religion (or political party) is the only true and proper and "right" one, nullifying and belittling all others.

[The nihilst chick]

I am not a satanist, I am a Thelemite.

 

I was a raised a Christian and starting around the age of 12, I began reading every form of religious doctrine, history, and arguments I could get my hands on. I biked to a Self Realization Fellowship. I walked to a local Catholic church. When, at 16, I got a car and began to drive, I went to Buddhist and Hindu temples, Jewish synagogues, and New Age Festivals.

 

I pretty much gave up on Christianity before my 17th birthday and studied all forms of occultism, while continuing to read the Gnostic gospels, the Zohar, the Tanakh, the Qu'ran and more. In my 20s, I had a pagan radio show and taught Wicca. By my 30s, I had settled into the Kabbalah and Thelema. It just felt right for me as I saw nothing but deceit, lies, and bad choices in the name of Christianity.

so is thelma totally different from satanism or are their some similarities? I just never heard of it and i feel intrigued by your story.personally i want to check out buddhism but my dad is muslim and forcing his beliefs on me...so i will have to wait

[The nihilst chick]

Stupidity isn't a sin. It's a condition that can be cured in the case of most humans with brains. Sadly, many parents or caregivers are cruel to their children and call them "Stupid." Many kids can be cruel to others and call each other "stupid."

That's just a mean insult. Sadly, many people grow up thinking they are stupid because they were told that as children. Many adults call other people stupid just because they are being spiteful and cruel.

 

 

 

If this has to do with lying, then yes, lying is sin, I believe. Lying prevents people from being able to know the truth, and being able to trust.

 

 

 

 

If this has to do with selfishness, I do think that selfishness leads to sin, yet it's not really a sin. It's like desire... desire can definitely lead to sin, yet desire in itself is not a sin. Selfishness is however an enemy of love, in many cases. For example, many people would choose to gratify their own desires than care for another person.

 

 

That goes back to lying.

 

 

 

I don't see that as a sin, unless the whole herd is sinning...?

 

 

 

Again, not a sin. It is helpful however to gain perspective.

 

 

 

Arrogance? That is sin, yeah, because it is thinking that one is superior to others, which is actually a lie.

 

 

 

I think those are interesting. I personally think that Jesus' commands are awesome, about loving God, others, one's neighbors, and even one's enemies. What is difficult for me is loving my enemies, but I see the wisdom in his words and teachings. His love is awesome.

Sure and Jesus was the one who agreed with the old testament with genocidal blood thirsty jehovah.any ways herd conformity is a sin because you just do whatever everyone else is doing because it is popular.you dont see why in satanism or in the whole world that would be a big no no?

[M30USA]

Sure and Jesus was the one who agreed with the old testament with genocidal blood thirsty jehovah.any ways herd conformity is a sin because you just do whatever everyone else is doing because it is popular.you dont see why in satanism or in the whole world that would be a big no no?

 

There was only one case where Jehovah ordered "blood thirsty" genocide. It was to get rid of the Nephilim (angelic humans) who had infiltrated the land of Canaan. If God hadn't rid the area of Nephilim, you wouldn't have your Savior Jesus Christ and all humanity would be doomed to hell. This isn't fringe biblical history. It is accepted by numerous PhD pastors (including John MacArthur) as well as every single early church father, without exception, until 450 AD. Get on your knees and thank him instead of accusing him of the human trait of bloodthirstiness.

[BetheButterfly]

Sure and Jesus was the one who agreed with the old testament with genocidal blood thirsty jehovah.

 

Jesus differs from the Old Testament because he teaches and shows love. He cared for people that the religious leaders of his day and place despised. If you read the New Testament, you will see how Jesus talked and what he did and said. He didn't kill anybody. He didn't command anybody to kill anyone. He healed people. He taught people. He commanded love and showed love.

 

 

any ways herd conformity is a sin because you just do whatever everyone else is doing because it is popular.you dont see why in satanism or in the whole world that would be a big no no?

It would depend on what "everyone" was doing. If "everyone" was helping people, than I don't see it as a sin to "conform" and help people too. If "everyone" was taking care of animals and the earth, I would also not see it a sin to "conform" and take care of animals too. If "everyone" was growing plants, I would see no problem to "conform" to that. So, it really depends on the action taking place by "everyone" and what a person wants to do.

 

Everyone studying, for example, is a great thing. It's sad when some people can't afford to receive an education. It makes me very sad when some girls in certain areas of Pakistan, for example, are persecuted and are not allowed to go to school with "everyone" else.

 

However, if "everyone" was stealing or killing each other, then of course it's sin to conform to that behavior: stealing and killing are sins, even if "everyone" isn't doing them. If everyone walks off a cliff, that would be sad... some people call suicide a sin; it's murder of the self. In that way, I suppose that would be a sin too.

 

CarrieT has a great explanation, that calling herd conformity a sin in Satanism is "the attempt to teach people to think for themselves; i.e. investigate and learn other, opposing views before adopting the generally accepted society norms."

 

Now, I personally believe people can learn to think for themselves, as well as investigate, without calling something a sin, but I understand her point there. It's a very good point.

 

I find it very cool what CarrieT wrote, "My BF, on the other hand, converted to Christianity from Judaism; but we both respect each others paths because it was done with intelligent thought and a willingness to take other philosophies into consideration."

 

That is awesome!!!

Edited November 16, 2012 by BetheButterfly