Ross MwcFan Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 It's beneficial for the children, of course, to be given life. It's beneficial for the parents because it is a wonderful experience in many ways. It's also beneficial for other people in the world whom your child touches in a positive way. Without people having children, the human race would die out, of course. And there would be no one to fill those jobs that we need to keep civilization going if everyone now in existence would just age and retire, and there would be no one left to run the businesses of the world. I mean, this is pretty obvious stuff. We're not talking about everyone in the world stopping having kids though, we're just talking about a small percentage of people. It would be better if in fact a larger percentage of people were to not have kids, that way the world will not become over populated and resources will not run out, it'll also be greener and planet will benefit as well. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
KraftDinner Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Yes because sacrificing yourself to bring children into the world is VERY selfish. It's beneficial for the children, of course, to be given life. It's beneficial for the parents because it is a wonderful experience in many ways. It's also beneficial for other people in the world whom your child touches in a positive way. Without people having children, the human race would die out, of course. And there would be no one to fill those jobs that we need to keep civilization going if everyone now in existence would just age and retire, and there would be no one left to run the businesses of the world. I mean, this is pretty obvious stuff. Giving children life...it's not like they're sitting in a waiting room wishing to be granted life. So not having them doesn't hurt them -- they don't exist. Wonderful experience for the parents - selfish (and it's NOT wonderful for all parents anyway) Children are just as likely to touch others in a negative way as positive. Look at all the heartache on here? The human race is in absolutely NO danger of dying out. Look, I'm not saying this to slam parents. But I'm so sick to death of people with their totally illogical arguments being used against child-free people. Do you know how frustrating it is to hear the same totally illogical, emotional, sheep-like arguments over and over? And I'm not offended in a 'oh, you hurt my feelings' kind of way. I'm offended in a 'those arguments are not absolute and universal and right just because you say so' way. I hate unoriginal thinking. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
KraftDinner Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 You're doing it because it'll make you happier, therefore you're doing it for yourself. The world is becoming over populated, but no, you don't care about that do you? 'Me, me, me, I want kids, I want kids, I want kids' Thank you for the logical argument! Glad someone gets it. Link to post Share on other sites
KraftDinner Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I can't really think of any idiotic reasons. I mean if someone doesn't want kids, they aren't going to be happy if they have a kid and will probably not show their kid the amount of love that a child will need. Their are enough people in this world who do want kids. I can't understand why people care so much about someone reproductive choices, unless they are dating or married to them. I know, I don't get it. Why does anyone care if, for example, I don't have kids? It doesn't hurt anyone. From my perspecitve it just seems (and I know this isn't necessarily the case, but this is really how it comes across) like those who get mad at others for not having kids are somehow threatened or envious in some way. I'm not offended when others choose to have kids. I AM offended by people accepting nonsensical arguments as bible truth. This is true for any issue, not just the having kids one. Link to post Share on other sites
iris219 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I don't care if people choose to have kids or not, but I don't see how a natural biological desire to have children could be considered selfish. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
KathyM Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 We're not talking about everyone in the world stopping having kids though, we're just talking about a small percentage of people. It would be better if in fact a larger percentage of people were to not have kids, that way the world will not become over populated and resources will not run out, it'll also be greener and planet will benefit as well. Well, I'm all in favor of people having smaller families. My intent was to have just two, but ended up with a third on the second pregnancy. The trend nowdays is to have fewer kids--just one or two, and some people don't have children at all. In fact, in most western countries, the birth rate is declining, so I don't think we have anything to worry about. In fact, the worry here now is that there won't be enough educated workers to fill the jobs that the baby boomers are going to leave vacant. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bentnotbroken Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Why do people decide to have children knowing full well the huge responsibilities that come with it? I wanted them. I was capable and more than willing to take care of them and I am not beyond making sure they have everything they need and some of what they want. I have been blessed by them both in ways that I could have never imagine. There were things I was prepared for and other things that I couldn't have dreamed of in my wildest nightmare. The fear, joy, anxiety, fun, pain, anger, frustration, love, peace....WOW. I just know some day the grand kids will be a piece of cake. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
bentnotbroken Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Why would you not have children? I don't see a reason to not have them unless you're too old, infertile, or selfish. WOW:eek:...or the most important reason a person does not have them....they choose not to. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
bentnotbroken Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Some of the people I have met in my almost 50 years should never have children. Their gene pool should stop with them. They should never be allowed to subject another human being to their personalities or mental capacity(or lack there of) and some of them are relatives. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
KathyM Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Giving children life...it's not like they're sitting in a waiting room wishing to be granted life. So not having them doesn't hurt them -- they don't exist. True, but they are happy when they do exist. lol. Wonderful experience for the parents - selfish (and it's NOT wonderful for all parents anyway) Its a win/win. Having children does not just benefit the parents, it also benefits the child and those people whom the child affects positively--their SO, their children, their employer, their friends, their customers, etc., etc. Children are just as likely to touch others in a negative way as positive. Look at all the heartache on here? Well, I've done my part to raise wonderful, caring, responsible young men who help others rather than hurt others. But I agree that some people who are not up to the task of raising children responsibly should abstain. The human race is in absolutely NO danger of dying out. That's because there are still people in the world that want to have children. Look, I'm not saying this to slam parents. But I'm so sick to death of people with their totally illogical arguments being used against child-free people. Do you know how frustrating it is to hear the same totally illogical, emotional, sheep-like arguments over and over? And I'm not offended in a 'oh, you hurt my feelings' kind of way. I'm offended in a 'those arguments are not absolute and universal and right just because you say so' way. I hate unoriginal thinking. I haven't said anything against childless couples. I think everybody has a right to the size of family they want to have, provided they can afford to raise them, take care of them, and are willing to invest the time needed to raise responsible children. They also have a right to have no children if that is their wish. I haven't said a word against married couples not having children. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I can't really think of any idiotic reasons. I mean if someone doesn't want kids, they aren't going to be happy if they have a kid and will probably not show their kid the amount of love that a child will need. Their are enough people in this world who do want kids. I can't understand why people care so much about someone reproductive choices, unless they are dating or married to them. I have known a lot of people who never wanted kids then got pregnant accidentally and were great parents.. Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 WOW:eek:...or the most important reason a person does not have them....they choose not to. Then they are selfish and mean more than likely. I guess for me the moment I find out a guy or a person in general says they never want kids I question what type of person they are, what is wrong with them to not want cute little beautiful wonderful babies in their lives and then I don't want to know them anymore. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Then they are selfish and mean more than likely. I guess for me the moment I find out a guy or a person in general says they never want kids I question what type of person they are, what is wrong with them to not want cute little beautiful wonderful babies in their lives and then I don't want to know them anymore. You can also be selfish by not respecting the decision of those individuals who choose not to have kids. You may have better luck finding a decent guy if you open up your mind some. Kind of hard for air to go through the narrowness of it. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
crude Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I question what type of person they are, what is wrong with them to not want cute little beautiful wonderful babies in their lives and then I don't want to know them anymore. Do you offer a guarantee that these "cute" babies will stay babies and not morph into obnoxious rug rats and vile teenagers? Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 You can also be selfish by not respecting the decision of those individuals who choose not to have kids. You may have better luck finding a decent guy if you open up your mind some. Kind of hard for air to go through the narrowness of it. Why would I want to open my mind to a guy who doesn't want kids? I don't want to spend time trying to convince him if he doesn't want them or having to go though the effort of tricking him into it.. Just not worth the extra time and effort. Most of the guys I have dated either have kids and want more or are unsure but open to it. I don't know any guy who would just be pissed off or unwilling to be a dad if it just happened though. All the guys I dated were totally not trying to be dads but when it happened they handled it and are great dads Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Do you offer a guarantee that these "cute" babies will stay babies and not morph into obnoxious rug rats and vile teenagers? They are always your babies. I don't think "rug rats" are obnoxious I think they are cute. And teens that is more time for you to learn from them and teach them and help mold them Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Why would I want to open my mind to a guy who doesn't want kids? I don't want to spend time trying to convince him if he doesn't want them or having to go though the effort of tricking him into it.. Just not worth the extra time and effort. Most of the guys I have dated either have kids and want more or are unsure but open to it. I don't know any guy who would just be pissed off or unwilling to be a dad if it just happened though. All the guys I dated were totally not trying to be dads but when it happened they handled it and are great dads You don't understand what I wrote. In general be respectful of other people even if they decide to not have kids. That respect will help you become a better person which in turn will help you meet a better guy. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 You don't understand what I wrote. In general be respectful of other people even if they decide to not have kids. That respect will help you become a better person which in turn will help you meet a better guy. I guess I can understand that. I don't think I'm being disrespectful of them by thinking they are selfish that's my opinion of them. But I can try... I guess... Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I guess I can understand that. I don't think I'm being disrespectful of them by thinking they are selfish that's my opinion of them. But I can try... I guess... Their decision doesn't affect you in the least bit so there is no reason to think negatively of them. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Their decision doesn't affect you in the least bit so there is no reason to think negatively of them. That can be said about a lot of things.. I am still allowed to have an opinion about it or them. I understand what you're saying I'm just pointing that out. Link to post Share on other sites
bentnotbroken Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 That can be said about a lot of things.. I am still allowed to have an opinion about it or them. I understand what you're saying I'm just pointing that out. Opinions about those who do not agree with your assessment does not have to include all the negative labels that you love to on those who see life(and have lived a good bit more of it than you)from a different perspective than you do. As another poster asked how does the decision to not have children affect your life? Does it lessen the potential pool of life partners for you...people you know? What? The amount of anger that was within your posts displayed a personal wounding. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 That can be said about a lot of things.. I am still allowed to have an opinion about it or them. I understand what you're saying I'm just pointing that out. You can have an opinion by RESPECTFULLY disagreeing with them. That is all I am trying to say. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
bentnotbroken Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Then they are selfish and mean more than likely. I guess for me the moment I find out a guy or a person in general says they never want kids I question what type of person they are, what is wrong with them to not want cute little beautiful wonderful babies in their lives and then I don't want to know them anymore. That isn't true. What if they don't want to parent because they did not have a good childhood and wish not to continue a pattern that should not be passed on? That is called being a smart enough human being to know when to put a stop to the crap of life. Link to post Share on other sites
Ross MwcFan Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Btw, I didn't mean to offend anyone who has had kids, I don't actually think there is anything wrong with deciding to have kids. I just get annoyed when people talk child free people down and make them out to be bad or defective people. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 That isn't true. What if they don't want to parent because they did not have a good childhood and wish not to continue a pattern that should not be passed on? That is called being a smart enough human being to know when to put a stop to the crap of life. Why wouldn't you want to make a child's life better than the one you had..? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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