Do Men Want Relationships?

[Negative Nancy]

And let's not forget, if men were truly happy with one woman - and the woman they are currently with - why, when it happy relationships, are they watching porn where typically lots of different types of attractive women are showcased?

 

Is it because in porn they actually can vicariciously live the player lifestyle that they deny wanting?

 

Yeah, men are happy with ONE woman and don't desire variety at all.

[pbjbear]

But what is "high" and what is "low"?

 

A couple posts ago, you spoke about the importance of sweetness in a woman. I agree wholeheartedly.

 

If a man meets a woman who is attractive to him (but not immediately gorgeous to him), and they date, and they become inseparable, and she is the sweetest woman he's ever known, and he wants to spend every minute with her, and the sex is off the charts great....what is "higher" than that? A prettier woman? Really?

 

We are not saying you have bad intentions. But most men say this stuff and then when options are continually presented, they dont deliver on these statements you make.

 

Ladies: never listen to what a man says...listen to what he does.

 

Problem is, youve obviously never had this happen to you where hot girls constantly hit on you, so youre convinced you would never do this.

[verhrzn]

What I'm saying (at risk of getting banned from this forum) is you're a rotten bitter bitch who can't understand the basic concepts of dating because you're not intelligent enough to weed through a few penises. And now, after you've been cock-smacked a few times, you're afraid of, and berate, every penis.

 

 

PJ, don't be so quick to judge her as realistic unless you've read her other threads. She's a man-hater cause she got used a couple times. A smarter woman would have learned her lessons. She turned to cookies and made the problem worse.

 

So I get used, and I should smile? What lesson exactly should I have learned? When men call me ugly, when men insult me, when no man has ever pursued me and no man has ever been interested in me... what lesson exactly should I have learned EXCEPT that looks matter, and that I am not enough for any man?

 

To be sweet? For what? So men won't have to hear me complaining about how they think I'm ugly? So they can **** me and go on their merry way without me making them feel bad about it?

 

I get it... you think a woman who is used and abused should shut up and take it, because women are there to be seen and be sweet, not to have human emotions or demand compassion from the world.

[ThaWholigan]

Yeah, which is why when guys create threads and post pictures of the celebrities they like, all of the pictures are so diverse.

 

... Except they're not.

 

And how every single guy here talks about how he loves "curves." If men are so diverse in their attitudes towards women's looks, why do I have yet to see a guy say "nope, gimme small boobs, a flat ass, and a huge stomach, that's what I like on my woman!"

Meh, there are enough skinny, no curve women who get plenty of dates. Again, using LS as an example is not always the best example. You're probably right about the "huge stomach" though, that combo along with no boobs and no butt might not attract a whole lot of guys. You'll probably be attractive to guys who don't really care about that (not just in a "I'll stick my wee wee into anything" kinda way either).

 

Me myself, I prefer slightly bigger women. Thicker bodies. The girl I've been seeing is just that - she's probably a lot bigger than you.

[Weezy1973]

 

Do most men in real life have options to be a player? You keep ignoring this part of the argument. The vast majority of men youre describing do not have options to regularly bang other hot chicks. Prostitutes, sure.

 

I guess my point is - if most men truly wanted to be players, why would they put the time and effort into marriage and family instead of doing whatever they can to achieve player status (working out, getting uber rich, plastic surgery etc.). Again the vast majority of men CHOOSE to be in LTRs or get married. I'm not lying. You can Google it.

[ThaWholigan]

We are not saying you have bad intentions. But most men say this stuff and then when options are continually presented, they dont deliver on these statements you make.

 

Ladies: never listen to what a man says...listen to what he does.

 

Problem is, youve obviously never had this happen to you where hot girls constantly hit on you, so youre convinced you would never do this.

You're being insulting to be honest, you do not know what guys here are capable of regarding commitment and relationships. This entire thread is insulting to be honest.

[Negative Nancy]

if most men truly wanted to be players, why would they put the time and effort into marriage and family

 

Because most men CAN'T be players, so they settle.

[pbjbear]

Men like me are not as rare as you think plus neither gender is any better than the other. I have known plenty of good men who were devoted to their women only to be betrayed, cheated on and have their heart smashed. It happened to me in my first marriage.

 

Until recently I though the same way about women that you feel about men but recent events have made me take a long hard look at myself and I would suggest you do as well. Men are people just like you and look at them that way and you should do much better.

 

Did you know scientific studies have shown that around 20% of women that cheat do so even when they feel their husband is fulfilling all their needs...yet around 60% of men do so when they say their needs are being fulfilled?

 

I think cheating is selfish so I am not condoning it. Just saying...men are the more selfish sex.

[xxoo]

And let's not forget, if men were truly happy with one woman - and the woman they are currently with - why, when it happy relationships, are they watching porn where typically lots of different types of attractive women are showcased?

 

Is it because in porn they actually can vicariciously live the player lifestyle that they deny wanting?

 

Yeah, men are happy with ONE woman and don't desire variety at all.

 

Because obviously, if you are happily partnered, you will never have a fantasy about another person ever again, right?

 

Sometimes I'm glad I'm not a guy. I can look at porn once in a while, and no one assumes it means I'd rather be screwing those men

[Pyro]

Perhaps it's "all men WANT to be players."

 

Could you articulate why a man would not want to be a player, given the option? Is it perhaps because he has the Best and thus doesn't feel he could trade up?

 

The way I look at it is that I am picky and I won't settle for anything less than what I value, so that makes meeting the right type very rare and when I do she is worth holding on to.

 

I won't waste time with 'good enough for now'

[xxoo]

By any claim of level I mean ones standards, but more importantly the equivocation of themselves. if one is smart, they want smart. if one is cute, they'll want cute etc.. a cute guy/girl doesn't shoot for an ugly one, come on now. You know i'm not being superficial so please don't make me feel like I eed to approach my wording like a friggin' lawyer.

 

I wasn't meaning to challenge you

 

I was trying to use your two posts to point out that "high" and "low" are not as simple as appearances, and things like personality and sweetness matter

[Pyro]

Did you know scientific studies have shown that around 20% of women that cheat do so even when they feel their husband is fulfilling all their needs...yet around 60% of men do so when they say their needs are being fulfilled?

 

I think cheating is selfish so I am not condoning it. Just saying...men are the more selfish sex.

 

Please share with us this study.

[pbjbear]

Because most men CAN'T be players, so they settle.

 

Because most men CAN'T be players, so they settle.

 

 

Because most men CAN'T be players, so they settle.

 

 

I pasted this three times because people keep ignoring this.

 

Show me a group of men that have regular access to sex with hot girls. If half of them decide to get married and remain faithful- I will change my mind. Thing is, you wont be able to find that.

 

Any guy who doesnt have options and says I would never do this I will not take you seriously.

 

Case closed.

[verhrzn]

You always go back to " YOU THINK" I've said what I think. there is no room for your twisted interpretation. I'm smarter than you, it's not working.

 

What men are for real and what ones only need ego boosts.. a man isn't going to hang around for a few months for an ego boost. you think you're ugly, so no man will ever think you're beautiful. you are the problem, you are the common denominator in all your relationships.

 

You are ignoring my questions. Should I be sweet even when men insult me to my face? Should I be sweet even though guys never found me attractive, and didn't even BEFORE I turned bitter?

 

I already have said multiple times that I have only turned bitter in the last few years, but men's comments about my looks and their insulting behavior towards me started years before that. I started getting comments at puberty.... 10 years of me being not-bitter, and STILL no men were interested in me.

 

I think I am ugly because no man has ever found me attractive. I came to the conclusion of being ugly BECAUSE of men's treatment of me.

 

So once again.... why should I be sweet in the face of constant abuse and insulting comments?

[ThaWholigan]

I pasted this three times because people keep ignoring this.

 

Show me a group of men that have regular access to sex with hot girls. If half of them decide to get married and remain faithful- I will change my mind. Thing is, you wont be able to find that.

 

Any guy who doesnt have options and says I would never do this I will not take you seriously.

 

Case closed.

I have options.

 

I will be a faithful husband to my future wife.

 

The end.

[Woggle]

I have seen some pretty disgusting men be players. It really is not that hard.

[Negative Nancy]

Because obviously, if you are happily partnered, you will never have a fantasy about another person ever again, right?

 

I don't. If I have "fantasies" about someone else, it means I have checked out the relationship and it's over.

 

Show me a group of men that have regular access to sex with hot girls. If half of them decide to get married and remain faithful- I will change my mind. Thing is, you wont be able to find that.

 

Any guy who doesnt have options and says I would never do this I will not take you seriously.

 

Case closed.

 

I completely agree.

[SmileFace]

I have seen some pretty disgusting men be players. It really is not that hard.

I hate how some women or even some men act as if it is so hard.

 

This seems to be so pointless.

[Revolver]

Because most men CAN'T be players, so they settle.

 

That's what people aren't comprehending lol. It's easy to say you wouldn't do something when the opportunity has never been presented.

[xxoo]

I don't. If I have "fantasies" about someone else, it means I have checked out the relationship and it's over.

 

Ok, but that's you. That's not everyone. That's not even every woman.

 

Occasional fantasies are harmless and common.

[ThaWholigan]

I hate how some women or even some men act as if it is so hard.

 

This seems to be so pointless.

It's more than pointless, it's a retarded excuse for a reason to paint men as the fault-bearing bad guys. ( I sound like Dasein now).

[Negative Nancy]

That's what people aren't comprehending lol. It's easy to say you wouldn't do something when the opportunity has never been presented.

 

 

Exactly.

 

And even in the rare event that a player settles down to start a family, they usually keep on cheating or whoremongering behind their wives' backs. You even see it with average men, as soon as the attractive young co-workers has an eye on them, they falter.

[xxoo]

That's what people aren't comprehending lol. It's easy to say you wouldn't do something when the opportunity has never been presented.

 

I'll agree that a man who is untested in the loyalty dept is a risky choice.

 

But then, a man who is untested in the loyalty dept may never be tested

 

And how many men are truly untested?

[pbjbear]

Exactly.

 

And even in the rare event that a player settles down to start a family, they usually keep on cheating or whoremongering behind their wives' backs. You even see it with average men, as soon as the attractive young co-workers has an eye on them, they falter.

 

 

NegativeNancy and I are kindred spirits.

[verhrzn]

So, you're telling me that men walk up to randomly and call you fat/ugly?

 

You should understand by now that you're not everyone's, or most people's, cup of tea. But I tell yah what about tea, I've traveled around the world and met people who drank all kinds..But I never a met a person who drank tea with pieces of sh*t in it. And that's what being bitter does, it's puts sh*t in an already rare cup of tea.

 

Yes. Plenty of women experience that kind of street harassment... walking down the road with friends and some guy yells out a car window," Hey fatso!" I don't get it AS often as I get comments when I try approaching a guy. That's when the insults really flow.

 

And I already said that not a single man found me attractive or pursued me for 10 years before I got bitter. If I'm not ugly, and I wasn't bitter, please explain that.