PUA Date

[pbjbear]

So I know Im really going to stir the pot saying this but here it goes...

 

Im pretty sure a guy I went on a date with 2 days ago (didnt want to go but he was persistent) reads PUA because he acts exactly like he does. He is a personal trainer and super into fitness and good looking. He seems like a player so I didnt want to go on a date with him. I had a good time and he was really trying to butter me up. "You have such pretty eyes" "I love the way you make faces when you tell stories" "You seem to be smarter than most girls" Blah blah blah

 

He spent 20 mins telling me how he participates in fitness model competitions and he trains women who are planning on being in these contests. Dont trust this guy at all- why the heck is he seeing me? I am thin and pretty, but not at the level of beauty he deals with on a daily basis. Someone like him is not all that interested in personality. He also told me his ex had an issue with him flirting while he drank (hes a partier but says he has cut back in the past few years) but said he has never cheated. Then went on to say any guy will cheat in a given situation and he hasnt cheated because he doesnt let himself get into those situations. At the end of our date he kept badgering me to come to his house in a few days to "bake cookies" (I told him I like to bake). Yeaaaaaaah I know what that means. Im pretty sure this guy is a hit it and quit it and is trying to play me. Im not upset nor care about this but I kind of want to mess with him.

 

So fellow PUA followers, what can I do on our next date to mess with him? Think of it as a social experiment. I want to put the few acting lessons I took to good use

Edited December 3, 2012 by pbjbear

[aed]

So I know Im really going to stir the pot saying this but here it goes...

 

Im pretty sure a guy I went on a date with 2 days ago (didnt want to go but he was persistent) reads PUA because he acts exactly like he does. He is a personal trainer and super into fitness and good looking. He seems like a player so I didnt want to go on a date with him. I had a good time and he was really trying to butter me up. "You have such pretty eyes" "I love the way you make faces when you tell stories" "You seem to be smarter than most girls" Blah blah blah

 

He spent 20 mins telling me how he participates in fitness model competitions and he trains women who are planning on being in these contests. Dont trust this guy at all- why the heck is he seeing me? I am thin and pretty, but not at the level of beauty he deals with on a daily basis. Someone like him is not all that interested in personality. He also told me his ex had an issue with him flirting while he drank (hes a partier but says he has cut back in the past few years) but said he has never cheated. Then went on to say any guy will cheat in a given situation and he hasnt cheated because he doesnt let himself get into those situations. At the end of our date he kept badgering me to come to his house in a few days to "bake cookies" (I told him I like to bake). Yeaaaaaaah I know what that means. Im pretty sure this guy is a hit it and quit it and is trying to play me. Im not upset nor care about this but I kind of want to mess with him.

 

So fellow PUA followers, what can I do on our next date to mess with him? Think of it as a social experiment. I want to put the few acting lessons I took to good use

So you think you getting played and yet you still want to go on a date with him, Because trying to mess with him, .

 

It reminds me of that song "Half way 'tween wrong and right I know I'm playing with fire But I don't know why Yeah the bad boys are always catching my eye (Ooh Way, Ooh Wah) I said the bad boys are always spinning my mind"

 

First I'm not into PUA but:

This post just proves that men should go into PUA!!!

 

Because even you think he is a duce, you still planning on going to have a few more dates with him! So you are attracted to him and to a player that's al that matters.

 

PUA believe that it doesn't matter what kind of emotion you evoke, even it is a negative one, in the end she will sleep with the guy if he can keep her attracted and girls only go on dates with guys they are attracted to. Of course you will say that this is not going to happen, but yeah that is what we guys always hear, but it is the oposite of what we see and some of us experience.

 

This is also why (some) men believe jerks get laid, and women only go after Jerks.....

[pbjbear]

So you think you getting played and yet you still want to go on a date with him, Because trying to mess with him, .

 

It reminds me of that song "Half way 'tween wrong and right I know I'm playing with fire But I don't know why Yeah the bad boys are always catching my eye (Ooh Way, Ooh Wah) I said the bad boys are always spinning my mind"

 

First I'm not into PUA but:

This post just proves that men should go into PUA!!!

 

Because even you think he is a duce, you still planning on going to have a few more dates with him! So you are attracted to him and to a player that's al that matters.

 

PUA believe that it doesn't matter what kind of emotion you evoke, even it is a negative one, in the end she will sleep with the guy if he can keep her attracted and girls only go on dates with guys they are attracted to. Of course you will say that this is not going to happen, but yeah that is what we guys always hear, but it is the oposite of what we see and some of us experience.

 

This is also why (some) men believe jerks get laid, and women only go after Jerks.....

 

Couldnt be more wrong. I have no plans of sleeping with him and believe me- Ive had so many men try to sweet talk me into it. Arrogant, manipulative, vain men are a huge turn off. I do not like him (I actually want to cancel the date...going over to someones house to "bake cookies" when all I know they want is sex actually makes me feel uncomfortable) and hes not my type at all. I will go on this date if people give me tips on how to mess with him. Not gonna sleep with him at all. If I cannot get information on how to mess with him and see how he reacts (I think itd be fun to try it...a "social experiment" if you will) I will cancel the date this Friday. I have a guy I went on a date with last week who seems much sweeter and Im waiting for him to text me asking me out again.

 

 

However, his moves would work on a dumber, more immature girl Ill give him that.

 

I was thinking going to 2nd base, stopping...then saying "Im saving myself for marriage and God" talk. Then see his reaction because he spent 5 mins quoting the Bible incorrectly too on our date. Oh yeah and he told me I should read the Bible "literally" and Im pretty sure the Bible says premarital sex is a sin...LOL.

Edited December 3, 2012 by pbjbear

[tarababy00]

 

I was thinking going to 2nd base, stopping...then saying "Im saving myself for marriage and God" talk. Then see his reaction because he spent 5 mins quoting the Bible incorrectly too on our date. Oh yeah and he told me I should read the Bible "literally" and Im pretty sure the Bible says premarital sex is a sin...LOL.

 

Do that. Look up Bible scriptures where it says that and memorize them so that when he tries to argue you can recite them off. Then watch him try to talk his way out of it...I took Bible Study classes with some people who said to take the Bible literally used the bible to justify certain behaviors and ignored other scriptures where it said some of their current behaviors were wrong (but they ignored that) and it was pretty funny.

Edited December 3, 2012 by tarababy00

[aed]

First I don't want to judge you or badmouth you. But this thread is about PUA and that some men have it hard with modern women. But these 2 comments are plain examples why the nice/ sweet guys go into PUA

 

Couldnt be more wrong. I have no plans of sleeping with him and believe me- Ive had so many men try to sweet talk me into it. Arrogant, manipulative, vain men are a huge turn off.

 

But you still keep dating him, and even plan on going on a next date. Even if it is a huge turn off. When I am turn off by a women, don't want to date them. Even if they played me, are an easy laid etc. When I'm done I'm done.

 

I do not like him (I actually want to cancel the date...going over to someones house to "bake cookies" when all I know they want is sex actually makes me feel uncomfortable) and hes not my type at all. I will go on this date if people give me tips on how to mess with him. Not gonna sleep with him at all.

 

I already said in my previous post that 99% of the women say the same thing. And yet we men experience that those guys get laid like hell.

 

A friend of mine who is a real flirt. Not a player but is flirts with everyone he interacts with (yes even his friends). I would get 100 bucks for all the women that would say the same things you say about your Player and still ended up sleeping with him, I could retire!

 

If I cannot get information on how to mess with him and see how he reacts (I think itd be fun to try it...a "social experiment" if you will) I will cancel the date this Friday.

 

Stil don't see the point. Especialy when I read the next line:

 

I have a guy I went on a date with last week who seems much sweeter and Im waiting for him to text me asking me out again.

 

This also proves that men should get into PUA! you have met a sweet guy and still you plan on going to date the player. Very logical !

 

However, his moves would work on a dumber, more immature girl Ill give him that.

 

First of all you don't know if you met a PUA (pua's don't give compliments that easy), mabey a player.

 

Second it does work on you on sertain leven: because no matter how you reframe it you are planning on seeing him again! Even when you have met a "Much sweeter guy".

 

I saw you wrote this:

 

I was thinking going to 2nd base, stopping...then saying "Im saving myself for marriage and God" talk. Then see his reaction because he spent 5 mins quoting the Bible incorrectly too on our date. Oh yeah and he told me I should read the Bible "literally" and Im pretty sure the Bible says premarital sex is a sin...LOL.

 

It does work because men in friendzones would wish a girl would be that mean to them. You are already planning to make out with him!

Edited December 3, 2012 by aed

[pbjbear]

I texted PUA guy asking if we could go to this concert Friday instead since he likes the band thats playing and he said "Fridays Im tired and just like to chill"

 

Yeah he just wants to get some...I am prob going to try the Bible thing. Im not 100% sure- I might flake on him Thursday night. Esp if I hear from the sweeter guy and he asks me out for Friday. If I do go though on Friday with PUA Im not gonna see him again after that...wow you guys are so desperate to think PUA works.

 

More mature women are not turned on by playerish, arrogant men. Its pretty damn obvious I dont trust this guy at all, so why would I get more than mildly physical with him. Making out is no big deal at all for me when youve dated as much as me. Ive dated way too much. Good thing he lives close to me so I can get home easily if I leave. I view our date as a "game." Im off to memorize monologues involving Bible scripts....

Edited December 4, 2012 by pbjbear

[aed]

So wait up:

 

You wait for sweet guy to call you, but texted PUA to get together:laugh:

 

and are already planning to go second base

(dont understand the bases, very well. But it is more then just french kissing right)

 

Yeah I rest my case.

 

PUA works

[pbjbear]

So wait up:

 

You wait for sweet guy to call you, but texted PUA to get together:laugh:

 

and are already planning to go second base

(dont understand the bases, very well. But it is more then just french kissing right)

 

Yeah I rest my case.

 

PUA works

 

You need to check your reading comprehension skills. I can tell youre young so Im not going to pick on you too much about that.

 

I already have an agreement with PUA guy. He asked me out last night. I texted him to change our plans to something AWAY FROM THE BEDROOM (and an activity I know he likes too) and he made some dumbass excuse. Its obvious he just wants sex now. No normal person would say no to a concert to "bake cookies" like he wants to...lol. I am saying I am going to flake on him the second the nicer guy asks me out...why? Im more interested in the nicer guy...so hes higher on my priority list. Id gladly ditch PUA I-only-want-sex guy for a nicer guy I actually do like a bit.

 

Im not as young as you and when youve dated around 40 men...kissing is NOT a big deal. But Im a little jealous of you...I remember my teenage days when I got so worked up over kissing...sigh

[tarababy00]

So you're going to spend time with a person you dislike but who never did anything bad to you in order to try to hurt him?

 

Cancel the date and spend the time with a therapist instead imo.

 

Ehhh, I dont think shes crazy. Shes just going to bake cookies and then turn him down when he tries to use her as a sex toy. Ive done that alot. I have actually done this because I wanted to see if my gut instincts about the guy were correct or not

 

pbjbear I think you should text the sweeter guy and ask him to hang out on Friday instead of messing with Mr. Sleazeball.

[pbjbear]

uhhhhhhhhhh turning a guy down for sex is not hurting him. If anything he would be hurting me...blatantly obvious this guy is trying to use me.

 

I just want this date (if I go on it) to turn into something amusing

 

I asked this on a PUA site 10 mins ago and got this response:

 

Your solution will be very easy if you answer the question: what do you want?

 

Honestly it sounds like you want a good story to tell. If he is a pick-up artist, he is going to recognize your "premarital sex is a sin" talk as what pick-up artists call ASD. This is short for "anti-slut defense." All this guy will do to help lower your defenses is back pedal a little, raise comfort, and step back in to escalate further physically.

 

If you have no interest in seeing this guy again and want to turn the game around, turn this into a literal game to make him work for it. Internally accept the fact that you are interested in having a one night stand with him and never seeing him again. See how many push-up's you can make him do. See how uncomfortable you can make him. Think of embarrassing situations from movies like American Pie. Use your imagination to get creative.

 

That's the kind of game girls like to share after a night out from the bar: "we made these guys do 10 push-ups before they bought us a round of shots." And some guys will do it, because they're in it for one thing that you have and they want. If you truly want to turn the tables around, turn it into a game.

[aed]

You need to check your reading comprehension skills. I can tell youre young so Im not going to pick on you too much about that.

 

I already have an agreement with PUA guy. He asked me out last night. I texted him to change our plans to something AWAY FROM THE BEDROOM (and an activity I know he likes too) and he made some dumbass excuse. Its obvious he just wants sex. I am saying I am going to flake on him the second the nicer guy asks me out...why? Im more interested in the nicer guy...so hes higher on my priority list. Id gladly ditch PUA I-only-want-sex guy for a nicer guy I actually do like a bit.

 

 

No I am not young and have dated enough women to see where this is going. You mis my point: Like i said I am not attacking you, because I believe that women are attracted to these type of men and rationalize things around it, but the outcome is still the same: these men are getting something.

all the guys here that say that nice guys finish last. The dating world is unfair to men etc, Get nothing not even a girl that is trying to break there hard or mess with there heads. They get jack's ****!

 

You are dating and planning on hooking up with PUA. Men you wanna try to PUA hope to get a make out! You don't even see the point of this thread now do you.

 

Im not as young as you and when youve dated around 40 men...kissing is NOT a big deal. But Im a little jealous of you...I remember my teenage days when I got so worked up over kissing...sigh

 

When you have slept with 50 men, then you will experience that having sex with complete strangers is also not a big deal.

[aed]

@ pbjbear

 

You can;t play a player, you can toy with him. But he wil not care if you don't sleep with him (he will say he does, but trust me, they don't)

 

Also playing games with men, and the ones that go through with it, are the nice guys who hope to impresse you. A player and specialy a PUA wont jump your loops. That is lession 1 in seducing women!

[pbjbear]

@ pbjbear

 

You can;t play a player, you can toy with him. But he wil not care if you don't sleep with him (he will say he does, but trust me, they don't)

 

Also playing games with men, and the ones that go through with it, are the nice guys who hope to impresse you. A player and specialy a PUA wont jump your loops. That is lession 1 in seducing women!

 

I do plan on toying him, but not past one date its too much work.

 

Honey, lots of nice guys jump through hoops to sleep with a girl and then leave. Look at some of the posts here.

[Estate]

pbjbear,

 

He does sound a little bit like the "clueless" pua's out there. My take is that he has probably read a few things, but isn't all that good at it from what you've told us.

 

Anyway, that point aside.... I think your post got a few smirks was because you're suggesting "that will never work on me" yet planning to see him again, which kinda re-affirms some of the crap being peddled by *some* PUAs.

 

Yes, if you meet up with him, he probably thinks she's being "alpha" by setting the environment and taking the lead, but I think you're missing something here...

 

You ARE going through with meeting him! I mean, plans or no plans, he said "baking cookies", you KNEW what he meant, yet you said yes? Now, in hindsight, it's perfectly easy to just tell him you're not interested (which you've said) yet you still want to go through with the date and play him at his own game.... thus in his view "s-testing" him, a game he will gladly play to break down the ASD you mentioned.

 

PUAs teach a lot of crap about girls saying and wanting different things but isn't it obvious here that you ARE playing right into it. I mean, if you've no interest in the guy, you know he's a PUA and you are in no way falling for his "tricks". Just don't meet him, date the better guy, simples.

[pbjbear]

Its a moot point now.

 

Sweeter guy texted me and asked me out. Id much rather spend time with him.

 

I will just tell PUA guy I dont think we'd be a good match...I just told my male friend how he asked me to come over and "bake cookies" and he bust out laughing

[pbjbear]

pbjbear,

 

Anyway, that point aside.... I think your post got a few smirks was because you're suggesting "that will never work on me" yet planning to see him again, which kinda re-affirms some of the crap being peddled by *some* PUAs.

 

Yes, if you meet up with him, he probably thinks she's being "alpha" by setting the environment and taking the lead, but I think you're missing something here...

 

You ARE going through with meeting him! I mean, plans or no plans, he said "baking cookies", you KNEW what he meant, yet you said yes? Now, in hindsight, it's perfectly easy to just tell him you're not interested (which you've said) yet you still want to go through with the date and play him at his own game.... thus in his view "s-testing" him, a game he will gladly play to break down the ASD you mentioned.

 

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I see what youre saying...but Im not interested in dating this guy. But I am curious to see what his moves are and he has peaked my interest there...but I wouldnt sleep with this guy. I like studying how men try to manipulate girls into bed. Its like monkeys at the watering hole

[MrCastle]

I'm taking bets, who thinks this is how it'll end?:

 

"So the sweeter guy that I was interested in called and tried to do something for Friday, I told him I'll let him know. I might still want to play around with this PUA guy just for fun."

 

"So I had to cancel on the sweeter guy because I did in fact see the PUA guy. We messed around and stuff, yes we slept together but whatever. I think he's different. I'm not sure he's a player like I initially thought. Anyway the other guy keeps calling me to set up a make up date what should I tell him?"

[pbjbear]

I'm taking bets, who thinks this is how it'll end?:

 

"So the sweeter guy that I was interested in called and tried to do something for Friday, I told him I'll let him know. I might still want to play around with this PUA guy just for fun."

 

"So I had to cancel on the sweeter guy because I did in fact see the PUA guy. We messed around and stuff, yes we slept together but whatever. I think he's different. I'm not sure he's a player like I initially thought. Anyway the other guy keeps calling me to set up a make up date what should I tell him?"

 

Umm...I just posted sweeter guy asked me out and I just cancelled on PUA guy.

 

But thank you for the dramatic interpretation...haha

[MrCastle]

Umm...I just posted sweeter guy asked me out and I just cancelled on PUA guy.

 

But thank you for the dramatic interpretation...haha

 

Aww really. That's cool.

 

I only skimmed the first page

 

Ah well. Next time

[aed]

Umm...I just posted sweeter guy asked me out and I just cancelled on PUA guy.

 

But thank you for the dramatic interpretation...haha

 

Then you made the right decision! I hope it works out!

 

And when it doesn't work out sweet guy .... don't contact PUA/player..

 

Theoritical question:

 

What if the guy really ment what he said and is serious about you and doesn't want just easy sex?

[Tara247]

PBJ, on your next date with your PUA say, "F&ck you B*tch" and see how he handles that one. ROFL.

[CptSaveAho]

He's not a pua....

 

I think you are looking for a reason to date this guy and just "gaming" yourself

[pbjbear]

Then you made the right decision! I hope it works out!

 

And when it doesn't work out sweet guy .... don't contact PUA/player..

 

Theoritical question:

 

What if the guy really ment what he said and is serious about you and doesn't want just easy sex?

 

I dont ever recontact guys. I get asked out alot and Im not that desparate.

 

Theres always that possibility. However, I have too many bad experiences with men that act this way...dated 3 that acted this way and none turned out well. (when I was younger). They put up a good facade in the beginning...I follow my gut. Or maybe I have trust issues...I dont know.

 

I enjoy how PUA users usually think if a girl doesnt put out in the first 3 dates she must be a headcase.

[MrCastle]

I enjoy how PUA users usually think if a girl doesnt put out in the first 3 dates she must be a headcase.

 

I don't know any that think that. They assume the girl isn't interested and move on.

[pbjbear]

I don't know any that think that. They assume the girl isn't interested and move on.

 

check out sosuave.net

 

Ive gotten some through enjoyment out that site while being bored for an hour or so at work

 

When I dont put out before 3 dates, it could mean I dont like you. More likely I just dont trust you enough. People put on a false self in the first 3 dates