definitely not carl jung Posted November 14, 2000 Share Posted November 14, 2000 well carl i am so pleased to see that time has not dimmed your sense of humor. i guess since you recieve know more royalties from your books that you have know ego problem with promoting others. i am glad your self-esteem has stayed in tacked over the years. however i have read some of your books and have found them somewhat complicated and informational at the same time, especially your dream books. i have been an avid dream analyser since i can remember and have found dreaming a fascinating thing to explore. all though many don't believe in dreams and that they are messages from our subconscious, forgive them for they know not what they think. i will however carl look upon your suggested books as a gift from your wisdom, but please don't doubt my ability to comprehend your materials, i do that enough on my own! hah! thank you and R.I.P. Link to post Share on other sites
Carl Jung Posted November 14, 2000 Share Posted November 14, 2000 Thank you for your kind words. We have had the Internet where I am for a long time and, until earth people got it more recently, all there was to access were these ungodly adult porn sites. Sigmund gets a real kick out of them,the perv. Be careful in reading my books on dreams. When interpreting them for yourself or others, remember they must be explained in the context of unresolved issues of the subconscious as well as what is happening to oneself currently. A lot of dreams are very meaningful while many more are just good family entertainment to be enjoyed during your sleeping state. It's surprising the things you learn after you're dead. It's like so many things come to light...all of a sudden. But without death, life would not be. Link to post Share on other sites
definitely not carl jung Posted November 14, 2000 Share Posted November 14, 2000 i will be very careful with dreams. i had my first elusive dream when i was about thirteen. i was dreaming that i woke up and i could not open my eyes. i tried looking out the window at the light hoping the light would open them up. i had to go back to bed and sleep some more in hopes that i would wake up and things would be normal again. i did go back to sleep and woke up for the reals this time and i could even open my eyes! wow what a surprise! anyway that is what caught my attention. then later in life i had what is called a dream paralysis. where you only half wake up, your mind wakes up but your body is still paralysed from the dream state. now talk about your nightmare! aaahhh! that was horrible! well luckily i have not had either of them happen in years or very often either, thank God! i would never go to sleep if it happened all the time. well carl you have been most informative, glad to see you haven't lost your touch and that i can relate to you on this mediocre plain. is pavlo there too, sorry about the spelling. thanks again for your help and great advise! Thank you for your kind words. We have had the Internet where I am for a long time and, until earth people got it more recently, all there was to access were these ungodly adult porn sites. Sigmund gets a real kick out of them,the perv. Be careful in reading my books on dreams. When interpreting them for yourself or others, remember they must be explained in the context of unresolved issues of the subconscious as well as what is happening to oneself currently. A lot of dreams are very meaningful while many more are just good family entertainment to be enjoyed during your sleeping state. It's surprising the things you learn after you're dead. It's like so many things come to light...all of a sudden. But without death, life would not be. Link to post Share on other sites
Carl Jung Posted November 14, 2000 Share Posted November 14, 2000 is pavlo there too, sorry about the spelling. thanks again for your help and great advise! Link to post Share on other sites
Deejette Posted November 14, 2000 Share Posted November 14, 2000 Carl, isn't what we call romantic love, merely the incompletely expressed man or woman within (the opposite sex of what we are), seeking to find it's completion by projecting its desires onto the love object? You are quite welcome, dear. I forgot to tell you to get the book on Lucid Dreaming, by the same name. It came out about 15 years ago but it's still around, I think. You can actually plan what you want to dream about. In my latest nightmare, I dreamed I was Dolly Parton's baby...and I had to be put on a formula...what a drag!!! Yes, Pavlov is around here somewhere. He rings the bell at church on Sunday and the dogs jump him and slobber all over him. He deserves it! Link to post Share on other sites
Carl Jung Posted November 14, 2000 Share Posted November 14, 2000 Carl, isn't what we call romantic love, merely the incompletely expressed man or woman within (the opposite sex of what we are), seeking to find it's completion by projecting its desires onto the love object? In some cases, yes. But in more cases, it is the search for that which we know is missing in ourselves or that which might correct what we dislike in ourselves. Finding that which is missing is not necessarily a completion. And the failure rate of relationships might indicate that either half the people are not successful at it or they are not very pleased with themselves upon the "completion" you describe. That is why I have grown to feel the only truly successful relationships are those between individuals who are fully actualized, whole human beings and who come into a relationship feeling complete and desiring to enhance that experience with another complete person. It would be tragic if romantic enterprise boiled down to people running to and fro looking to become complete. Misery loves company and, in actuality, of those people looking for missing parts, way too many end up coupling with others looking for their own missing parts. Together they make one miserable couple with twice the number of missing parts. I hate to tell you, but where I am romance is just as confusing. Link to post Share on other sites
Deejette Posted November 14, 2000 Share Posted November 14, 2000 From your heavenly vantage point, romantic relationships probably seem comically sad, because of all the torture people go through in the name of love. And I agree with you about the "two neurotics joined at the hip" phenomenon. Two clueless people thinking that somehow happiness will come from their union, make for a doubly clueless relationship. People are driven by their biological drives to reproduce the species. They often attribute this gene-driven activity to mad, passionate love, even thinking that they have found their soul-mate. Whether a person is psychologically together, wise, understanding, and whole, does not play enough of a role in the whirling merry-go-round of sexual attraction. Very few people are actually suited to love or be loved on a mature plane. So much of our ego is bound into the interplay of the sexes that is can be more about self-love than real love and caring for another person. If our mate gives us enough validation and reassurance, then we love them. If they don't we look for it somewhere else or think that there is something wrong with us. So the mating dance goes on and on, and it is impermanent as one love object fades and another one takes his/her place. It looks like it is all taking place outside ourselves, outside of our control. But we are really orchestrating the whole thing and the how the relationship turns out can be predicted. Carl, isn't what we call romantic love, merely the incompletely expressed man or woman within (the opposite sex of what we are), seeking to find it's completion by projecting its desires onto the love object? In some cases, yes. But in more cases, it is the search for that which we know is missing in ourselves or that which might correct what we dislike in ourselves. Finding that which is missing is not necessarily a completion. And the failure rate of relationships might indicate that either half the people are not successful at it or they are not very pleased with themselves upon the "completion" you describe. That is why I have grown to feel the only truly successful relationships are those between individuals who are fully actualized, whole human beings and who come into a relationship feeling complete and desiring to enhance that experience with another complete person. It would be tragic if romantic enterprise boiled down to people running to and fro looking to become complete. Misery loves company and, in actuality, of those people looking for missing parts, way too many end up coupling with others looking for their own missing parts. Together they make one miserable couple with twice the number of missing parts. I hate to tell you, but where I am romance is just as confusing. Link to post Share on other sites
Al Gore Posted November 14, 2000 Share Posted November 14, 2000 ss well carl i am so pleased to see that time has not dimmed your sense of humor. i guess since you recieve know more royalties from your books that you have know ego problem with promoting others. i am glad your self-esteem has stayed in tacked over the years. however i have read some of your books and have found them somewhat complicated and informational at the same time, especially your dream books. i have been an avid dream analyser since i can remember and have found dreaming a fascinating thing to explore. all though many don't believe in dreams and that they are messages from our subconscious, forgive them for they know not what they think. i will however carl look upon your suggested books as a gift from your wisdom, but please don't doubt my ability to comprehend your materials, i do that enough on my own! hah! thank you and R.I.P. Link to post Share on other sites
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