The difference between controlling and wanting respect.

[Pirouette]

Let me get this straight... you two share a bank account, but you feel the need to keep your bank info private from him... It's the SAME account. Anyway, you really don't see what that has to do with trust? You really don't get it?

 

Ladies, I appreciate your responses in this thread. However, it does appear that you are just going in circles. It appears that the message a reader would take away from your comments is to expect nothing from your partner and trust them blindly, except with banking information because that's different and has nothing to do with trust.

 

 

No I don't feel the need to keep my banking info from him. It's his banking info as well. The issue is PASSWORDS. Would you hand over all your email, phone, work passwords etc. just because your bf/gf demanded it of you? As if someone giving you a passcode means that they'll never cheat on you. You also didn't answer my question about the pre-nup.

 

I get it. No where did I say you should trust your ex-gf because she clearly demonstrated behaviour that is untrustworthy. What I'm trying to say is demanding that a person do something to demonstrate their level of trust in you is an exercise in futility.

 

You ever hear someone say 'If you loved me you would do this?' That is not a question of love or trust, it is a question of control, which was the whole topic of this thread. What is the difference between having boundaries and trying to control.

 

You cannot control your partner. You cannot give them a list of rules and tell them that if only you do x y and z and provide me with proof of a b and c, then we will have a happy, trusting relationship. Because the person that wants to betray you will come up d e and f that you didn't think of and well, you never mentioned it, so it's all fine right?

 

Better to find someone who shares your values and naturally falls into your same kind of behaviour and thinking. Don't want someone to hang out with former threesome partners? Date someone who never had any or who shares your opinion that once the relationship is over that it is inappropriate to see each other anymore while in a new relationship.

 

I expect a lot from my partner and I do not trust blindly, but he lives up to those expectations with every action. Yes, he also says the right things, but it's actions that count and they come unprompted from me. I don't need to tell him, hey, don't cheat on me, because he knows and he feels the same way.

 

You know what I would do if my bf did a 180 and started doing the things your gf did? I'd dump him and there wouldn't be all this negotiation about it.

 

I wonder why you just don't get it.

[Pirouette]

Always have one foot out the door when dealing with women in these types of issues, be ready to walk. The good ones will still try to misbehave, but will quickly realize you are a valuable, unique quantity different than the supplicating mass of man-boys. You are on the right track.

 

I disagree with this. The good ones, man or woman, will be good from the beginning because they are GOOD.

 

Don't you have a moral code that you follow irrespective of what other people do? Do you only act as good as someone allows you to?

 

PS, your asking for her bank card number was brilliant and cuts right through the rationalizing BS. Wish I had thought of it.

 

So I guess someone like me who would never cheat is also someone you would never date because I wouldn't give you my bank # just because you demanded it in the middle of a fight?

 

You know what I would have told her? 'This behaviour is unacceptable. We clearly have different beliefs on what it means to be in a loving, committed relationship. I'm leaving.'

[GSB81]

No I don't feel the need to keep my banking info from him. It's his banking info as well. The issue is PASSWORDS.

 

I assume that by PASSWORDS, you also mean PINs, also considered banking info.

 

Would you hand over all your email, phone, work passwords etc. just because your bf/gf demanded it of you?

If I were DEMANDING that someone trust me because I trust them, how could I say no without being a hypocrite and contradicting my entire argument?

 

As if someone giving you a passcode means that they'll never cheat on you. You also didn't answer my question about the pre-nup.

This is proof that you don't understand. You are correct about giving such info not meaning someone won't cheat, but that's not the point. This girl went on and on about the import\gh'ance of trust, and when it came time to put her money where her mouth is, quite literally,she would not do it. What did this prove? It proved that she didn't trust me as much as she claimed. As for the pre-nup, sure I'd sign one.

You ever hear someone say 'If you loved me you would do this?' That is not a question of love or trust, it is a question of control, which was the whole topic of this thread.

Agreed, and oddly enough she said many times "If you love me, you have to trust me." What do you make of that statement?

 

You cannot control your partner. You cannot give them a list of rules and tell them that if only you do x y and z and provide me with proof of a b and c, then we will have a happy, trusting relationship.

Consider this, you have an understanding with your boyfriend. He knows that if he cheats, you will dump him. Correct? You are pretty much using the threat of dumping him to control his behavior, correct? I'll also wager that if he started hanging out with his buddies in bars till all hours of the night that you'd be pretty upset and you would either get in an argument with him about it or you'd give him the silent treatment and no sex for a few days. How is that not controlling your partner?

Better to find someone who shares your values and naturally falls into your same kind of behaviour and thinking. Don't want someone to hang out with former threesome partners? Date someone who never had any or who shares your opinion that once the relationship is over that it is inappropriate to see each other anymore while in a new relationship.

I agree 100%

 

I expect a lot from my partner and I do not trust blindly, but he lives up to those expectations with every action. Yes, he also says the right things, but it's actions that count and they come unprompted from me. I don't need to tell him, hey, don't cheat on me, because he knows and he feels the same way.

Im happy you have someone like that. You have someone who knows how to behave in a relationship because he loves you and understands the concept of and effect. Some of us aren't so lucky. Some of us get involved with people who appear to behave the way your boyfriend does at the beginning, but as soon as the honeymoon period is over, they go back to being their real selves. Had this girl simply been herself in the beginning, she wouldn't have got more than a date or two out of me. But no, she sucked me in and I fell for her.

 

You know what I would do if my bf did a 180 and started doing the things your gf did? I'd dump him and there wouldn't be all this negotiation about it.

That really is the best way to go about it, but I bet that if/when this ever happens it will be a little harder than you think.

 

I wonder why you just don't get it.

Oh wow...

[Pirouette]

If I were DEMANDING that someone trust me because I trust them, how could I say no without being a hypocrite and contradicting my entire argument?

 

You're equating a demand for anything and the partner's willingness to comply as a sign of trust. That's not how trust works. You cannot in fact demand it. It comes naturally and from one's self or not at all.

 

This is proof that you don't understand. You are correct about giving such info not meaning someone won't cheat, but that's not the point. This girl went on and on about the import\gh'ance of trust, and when it came time to put her money where her mouth is, quite literally,she would not do it. What did this prove? It proved that she didn't trust me as much as she claimed. As for the pre-nup, sure I'd sign one.

It's true I don't understand the point you tried to make with that. She said 'trust me not to sleep with someone' and 'trust is important.' You said, 'give me your pin to prove you trust me.' I don't equate those. By your logic, you can make any sort of demand and if the other person doesn't comply, then they don't trust you. If the person had a diary, could you demand to read it? Since you're only dating, could you demand to look at someone's investment portfolio?

 

Trusting that someone will act in a decent manner is not the same as giving them unfettered access to all your private details.

 

As for the pre-nup, what if one person wants a prenup because they think it's a sound financial decision and has nothing to do with trust and the other person doesn't want one because they think it's a sign of distrust, who's right?

 

Do I not trust my bf because I won't give him my pin# without good reason?

 

Agreed, and oddly enough she said many times "If you love me, you have to trust me." What do you make of that statement?

That it's not about love.

 

Consider this, you have an understanding with your boyfriend. He knows that if he cheats, you will dump him. Correct? You are pretty much using the threat of dumping him to control his behavior, correct?

No, not at all. We do have an understanding because we understand each others' personalities and values. He wouldn't cheat on me because he doesn't believe in that kind of behaviour. I don't cheat on him for the same reason, because it's the right thing to do. If I suspected that it was an act and that he would cheat on me if he was guaranteed to never get caught, then I wouldn't be with him.

 

To your going out example, yes, a partner's complete change in routine and behaviour is a cause for concern. I never said it shouldn't be and I never said you cannot speak your mind. I don't see expressing these concerns and discussing problems as controlling.

 

If I did use sex as a weapon, that is controlling. If I did try and punish with silent treatment, that is controlling. I don't do those calculated things. I can only control myself. If I do not like something, I speak up and express my opinion, and if things remain the same, I leave because we are no longer compatible. That's it. I will not lay down rules, make threats, and try to force someone to comply.

 

Im happy you have someone like that. You have someone who knows how to behave in a relationship because he loves you and understands the concept of and effect.

This is where you and I differ in our beliefs. I don't want to be with someone who is good because of the fear of punishment or the withholding or reward. I want someone who is of good, moral character, who will be decent in any situation and no matter who he's with and even if he can get away with it. Yes people can make mistakes, but owning up to them and learning from them makes the difference.

 

My bf and I get along because we have the same values and our lives just flow into each other, not because we're constant pushing each other to behave a certain way and threatening and rewarding.

 

That's why when you talk about demanding respect and trust, I don't agree. I take in a person's actions as a whole from when we first meet to the present and I decide if they are trustworthy and if we are compatible. Yes, people can change and then you need to reevaluate. It's happened with friends and with bfs. You let them go when they no longer fit.

 

I also act in a way that I believe is honourable and it's up to the other person to decide if that's compatible with them.

 

The question of yours was never, was my girlfriend right and trustworthy. You asked the difference between controlling and wanting respect, and I believe if you feel you have to make someone treat you right, you are heading into controlling territory, and on a sinking ship to boot.

 

I bet that if/when this ever happens it will be a little harder than you think.

The right things often aren't.

 

You know it's fine that we disagree. Different povs are what this forum is all about.

Edited December 25, 2012 by Pirouette

[road]

Setting boundaries is not controlling.

 

Hanging around with people that she has banged in the past is wrong.

 

From the red flags you mentioned she is cheating now.

 

People that cheat often become paronoid that theis BS is cheating, which her actions match.

[sayyes19]

You're equating a demand for anything and the partner's willingness to comply as a sign of trust. That's not how trust works. You cannot in fact demand it. It comes naturally and from one's self or not at all.

 

It's true I don't understand the point you tried to make with that. She said 'trust me not to sleep with someone' and 'trust is important.' You said, 'give me your pin to prove you trust me.' I don't equate those. By your logic, you can make any sort of demand and if the other person doesn't comply, then they don't trust you. If the person had a diary, could you demand to read it? Since you're only dating, could you demand to look at someone's investment portfolio?

 

Trusting that someone will act in a decent manner is not the same as giving them unfettered access to all your private details.

 

As for the pre-nup, what if one person wants a prenup because they think it's a sound financial decision and has nothing to do with trust and the other person doesn't want one because they think it's a sign of distrust, who's right?

 

Do I not trust my bf because I won't give him my pin# without good reason?

 

That it's not about love.

 

No, not at all. We do have an understanding because we understand each others' personalities and values. He wouldn't cheat on me because he doesn't believe in that kind of behaviour. I don't cheat on him for the same reason, because it's the right thing to do. If I suspected that it was an act and that he would cheat on me if he was guaranteed to never get caught, then I wouldn't be with him.

 

To your going out example, yes, a partner's complete change in routine and behaviour is a cause for concern. I never said it shouldn't be and I never said you cannot speak your mind. I don't see expressing these concerns and discussing problems as controlling.

 

If I did use sex as a weapon, that is controlling. If I did try and punish with silent treatment, that is controlling. I don't do those calculated things. I can only control myself. If I do not like something, I speak up and express my opinion, and if things remain the same, I leave because we are no longer compatible. That's it. I will not lay down rules, make threats, and try to force someone to comply.

 

This is where you and I differ in our beliefs. I don't want to be with someone who is good because of the fear of punishment or the withholding or reward. I want someone who is of good, moral character, who will be decent in any situation and no matter who he's with and even if he can get away with it. Yes people can make mistakes, but owning up to them and learning from them makes the difference.

 

My bf and I get along because we have the same values and our lives just flow into each other, not because we're constant pushing each other to behave a certain way and threatening and rewarding.

 

That's why when you talk about demanding respect and trust, I don't agree. I take in a person's actions as a whole from when we first meet to the present and I decide if they are trustworthy and if we are compatible. Yes, people can change and then you need to reevaluate. It's happened with friends and with bfs. You let them go when they no longer fit.

 

I also act in a way that I believe is honourable and it's up to the other person to decide if that's compatible with them.

 

The question of yours was never, was my girlfriend right and trustworthy. You asked the difference between controlling and wanting respect, and I believe if you feel you have to make someone treat you right, you are heading into controlling territory, and on a sinking ship to boot.

 

The right things often aren't.

 

You know it's fine that we disagree. Different povs are what this forum is all about.

Most girls that act like the op's post are not girls that any self respecting guy would want to be a part of. Guys that can't do any better will try and reform her, but that's not any different than the girls that love having "project guys". I will agree that you don't demand respect early. You earn it, but asking your gf not to do something that you disagree with is not controlling.

[chucksagent]

From what Ptreomom posted earlier:

 

Acceptable boundary: "I will not be in a relationship with someone who has sex with others."

Controlling: "I am worried you may have sex with someone else, so you aren't allowed to go out with your friends if you want to be with me."

 

Acceptable boundary: "I will not be in a relationship with someone who isn't honest with me."

Controlling: "You cannot go to a sporting event with a male friend."

 

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The acceptable boundaries you listed are what I would consider to be basic humanity 101. To me, an acceptable boundary is "You can go out for Happy Hour with the girls, but not come home at 3:00am." Or "You can go to a football game with female friends, but not male friends." I think anyone with a soul or brain would just assume you shouldn't cheat or lie. Lol.

 

To the OP....I feel for you man, I have been in VERY similar shoes as have most of my close friends. Dasein is 100% right man and hit the nail on the head. Women use these tactics to demonize "controlling" men yet when they demonstrate control over the man they pat each other on the back and say "wow, you have him trained right!" Ignore that crap; anyone who doesn't see through that veil of BS deserves what they get in relationships.

 

Welcome to a new era of human evolution. The Birth control, drug, alcohol, "me and my besties are going to da club" era. My mother was a single mom...I can probably count on ONE HAND how many times she went out with girls from work or girlfriends drinking. I can say the same for EVERY friend of mine and their Mothers. Women today, I see them on FB, our age, will be out MULTIPLE times per week drinking, gambling, doing god knows what else.

 

Let me ask you a question...what ever happened to dinner and a movie? Or just going to happy hour then going home to your family? What about mini golf? What about shopping? Why is everything going to get drunk with your girlies. Or going to a football game with some dude?

 

NEWSFLASH LADIES: Don't want to hurt your feelings...but men do NOT want to spend time with you doing manly things. We would rather go to a game with a man. We would rather go to wing night with men. We would rather play video games with men. Just like YOU would rather go shopping with the girls. Or go to the theater with the girls. Or gossip with the girls. And there is NOTHING wrong with that. Everyone needs ME time to relax and get away from your partner. It just so happens the OP's girl needs her ME time to be with former sexual partners, former boozing and night clubbing partners, and strange men. Sorry folks, that's BS and the OP isn't "Controlling" for calling CRAP on it.

 

This is why people like her BECOME like her. Nobody puts their foot down. This generation of child worship and participation trophies are grooming drones and zombies with no moral compass. We have people mocking Tim Tebow because of his belief in Jesus, people saying soldiers are all the dumb people in America, but if you ask your girlfriend to not go out until 2am drinking with former threesome partners YOU are the devil....YOU are the bad controlling guy....Lol. What a country. Am I right?

 

You know what I saw this Christmas....The "kids" table, has been filled in by ADULTS....because it hurts the kids feelings if they can't sit at the adult table. I had to go to 3 different homes for the Holiday and at EACH place I saw it. Lol. When I was a kid, I got a trophy WHEN I BEAT EVERYONE ELSE, I sat at the kids table MY WHOLE CHILDHOOD, and there were CERTAINLY consequences to my actions. Like someone else on this thread said, there are NO CONSEQUENCES anymore. And we wonder why people like your old girl are broken. Lol. It's like building a car and only assembling "some" parts correctly...then when it's driving down the road (getting into a serious relationship) it starts falling apart and you crash and burn because you fail to realize by COMMITTING to a serious relationship, you own wants and selfish needs shouldn't be the ONLY frigging factor you consider!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Also, isn't it hilarious how trust in a relationship is the ONLY time trust is expected to be BLINDLY given...LMFAO.

 

New hire at a company - "90 day probationary period"

New Babysitter - "We need someone we have known for a long time...a family friend who we KNOW we can trust."

Drive a vehicle - "pass this test...drive for 6 months under a licensed person...pass this written test...NOW we trust you to drive."

Credit Cards - "We will loan you money WHEN we see you have good credit."

Lawyer/doctor - "What is his reputation like, how do we know we can trust him?"

Mechanic - "Is he good Jimmy? Are you sure? I want a mechanic I can trust. Yeah man, I've gone to him for years, you can trust him."

Relationship - "I know you JUST met her, but you gotta trust her man...without trust you have nothing."

 

HAHAHAHAH

 

How about, you treat eachother with HONESTY, and OPENESS, and RESPECT so we can NURTURE the gosh darn trust...nope, sorry, girls today wanna be cute and cool and funny and independent and push every boundary there is FOR NO OTHER REASON than because they can and they need constant attention. Think about it, why else do it?

 

As someone else said, men don't do this crap. Why risk/ruin a GREAT relationship you are in over a few beers and people you haven't talked to in YEARS?!?! Like are you that pathetic and desperate for excitement in your life?

 

OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

My final points...I LOVED LOVED LOVED LOVED your trick to reverse roles on her....LOVED it hahahaha

 

And before all you girls flip out...consider this...

 

Why do sooooooooooooo many girls force us men to DO THIS EXACT THING???

 

Every single girlfriend I've EVER had...I had to say "well, how would you feel if it was ME who had some hot girl messaging me on Facebook asking for pictures and I told you she's a friend from high school so it's cool that we are friends?" Then reluctantly she admits "I'd be angry and jealous." Well no crap that's why I made it an issue in the first place!!!!!!!!!! Why do we HAVE to put them in our shoes to make them see the point? Aren't they capable of just seeing the forest from the tree's in the first place?

 

This brings me to my next post on here I think I will make today....Are women REALLY as naive/oblivious as they always claim?

"I didn't realize he liked me like that."

"I genuinely thought he just wanted to be friends."

"We are just work friends."

"I didn't realize my cleavage was showing so badly and that guy was staring."

"I only went with him to the football game because he needed someone to take that extra ticket."

[GSB81]

Dude.. I think we just became best friends! Yeah I just dont get it. One time she said to me "I think you have a problem with me being so independent." My response? "Oh? And how exactly are you so independent? You live with your dad, your mom cosigned your car loan, your uncle paid to have something fixed on it, your dad just handed you a check to pay your tuition, and you cant so much as go to Walmart without 3 of your gurls attached to your hip. How exactly are you " too independent?""

[chucksagent]

Hahahah EPIC!!!

 

Well, I guess you are too oblivious my new best friend...don't you see? Being able to behave like a trollop and a slattern and parade around with your "besty girlies on Sunday funday watching Jersey Shore" and get drunk and doing whorey things makes you independent in today's world!!! Owning a home, being financially stable, paying bills on your own, putting yourself through college, being capable of running simple errands on your own; these are all independent factors of women from our mothers and grandmothers generations/time periods!

 

Today, all it takes is a nice butt or breasts, revealing clothes, and enough female friends to act as obnoxious as you are, and guess what, you are an independent woman. Any man who cares about you and wants you to behave like a human frigging being because he sees the good in you is a controlling jerk. No pass my margarita girlfriend! It's about to get all silly up in here and I am going to get my crunk on Mami!!!

 

But yet agayne, when a woman "tame's" a bachelor or a womanizer, she is APPLAUDED for "calming him down and setting him straight."

 

Mother of Steven: "Geez Amanda, we love you and are so happy you were able to calm Steven down. He has been out of college a while now and has a full time job yet was still going out 4 nights a week and not coming home most nights. We are so glad you met him and showed him he doesn't have to live like an animal to be happy!"

 

Mother of Beth: "Beth, your boyfriend doesn't like your old friends Sally and Christa just because you had some wild times with them? Who cares if you get drunk several nights a week with them. They are you friends and you should never abandon them just for a man. He sound like a control freak! Who is he to tell you how to live your life."

 

Woman 101 = Hypocrisy 101

 

The 2 are interchangeable. Often times though, Beth leaves out the fact that she's been involved in unspeakable sex acts with those darling friends her mother is referring to. Or that there exist other activities for friends to partake in that doesn't involve getting black out drunk when you already make piss poor decisions to begin with whilst actually equipped with ALL of your faculties operating at 100%.

 

It's all a product of a MUCH bigger problem anyway. We are producing idiots at a rapid fire rate in this country. And now that the idiots are figuring out religion is a "joke" (the idiots words not mine) there is no moral compass to fear them into NOT acting like the animals they are. This country is doomed my friend.

 

Final thought: Even if you DO NOT believe in a God. Even if you DO NOT believe in Christ. Wasn't Christ's message a pretty positive one? Like me, I don't go to church. But I think "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And "honor thy mother, thy neighbor." Or "don't kill, murder, rape, etc." Are all PRETTY fair laws we can all agree would make for a nice society. But greed has overtaken the desire to follow a moral compass.

 

See, you, OP, new best friend, are being demonized by these people on here for EXPECTING and TRYING to get a person you care about, to adopt some humanity and return the respect you give her. (see above do unto others as youd have them do unto you). And for your efforts, you have been labeled a control freak. Nobody is assaulting her though for being a loveless and moral-less wanton harlot. That's America today. Demonize the good guys and ignore the corrupt. Catholic Church protected child rapists (and so did high ranking political officials and people high up in the church), The Boy Scouts protected child rapists (and so did high ranking political officials and people involved in the Scouts), but a Football Coach (Joe Paterno) was lynched by the media because he didn't don a cape and arrest Jerry Sandusky HIMSELF (which the DA already investigated Sandusky)....LOL. And THAT my friend, is ANOTHER example of how the corrupt (politicians, church, boy scouts) get away with murder, but the innocent/good guy who HARDLY enough evidence to say did anything wrong (Paterno) gets blamed.

 

It's like George Carlin used to say - "It's bullcrap folks and it's bad for you." hahahaha LOVE that man.

[GSB81]

New bff, you are wise. I pose a question for you. What happens to girls like this? My guess is they will die alone or end up with a doormat.

[chucksagent]

Well, science doesn't know for sure. Because they are a new thing. We are currently living the experiment my friend. So any clear thinking persons guess is as good as the next guy. You seem like a very smart person and I believe your observation to be how I would project they turn out as well - alone.

 

If I may share a story...

 

A group of friends and I met a group of girls at our favorite restaurant/bar. At the time, we were all single. (Even then, when we were all single, we had ONE night a week we went out, not 4 or 5 lol)

 

One of the girls was GORGEOUS. I thought I had no shot. My really tall/good looking, handsome, successfull, funny friend started talking to her. Her friend, was average looking (slightly above average MAYBE/arguably), average to slightly above average weight, late 30's, unmarried, no kids, homeowner, good job, etc. I thought she was cool. I wasn't OVERLY attracted to her, but it seemed she had her **** together and I figured, why not get to know her. It was APPARENT from early on though, she had no interest in me (probably because I am a little overweight and not an alcoholic). She's one of these girls who LIVES at the bars.

 

Well, as it turns out, my buddy (tall handsome etc) and the HOT friend (of the average friend) didn't hit it off. All the while though, me and the HOT girl were getting to know each other just as acquaintances. We slowly were realizing how much we had in common. Next thing I know, she is ASKING ME TO A MOVIE. Lol. No lie. We are currently engaged to be wed. Me and the "hot" girl. Hahaha (Turns out she had a HUGE heart, great family, great personality, etc.)

 

Well, the friend who wanted nothing to be with me because of my weight and non-party life moved on...she THEN turned down ANOTHER one of our friends who is VERY successful like me, homeowner, has his crap together...But, ding ding ding, is fat. Lol. So SOON after her best friend and I got serious, she (coincidentally) wound up with a guy. The guy lived two hours away, had a crappy job, and had JUST got his ex girlfriend pregnant right before they broke up (and subsequently he met the girl). Well, outside of him being "good looking" he brought NOT MUCH to the table (along with all that baggage I just listed). But, he was MORE appealing because good looking, skinny, and a party animal. Lol.

 

They were together for a LONG time. They recently JUST broke up because he told her he didn't want to be together anymore. She's almost 40 and no serious prospects.

 

Moral of the Story: With all bad decision making comes bad outcomes/consequences. However, in the old days, parents, friends, spouses, significant others HELD people accountable as a means to TEACH and ENFORCE consequences. Today though, we are doing things the opposite:

 

-Slap a child when he/she misbehaves became CHILD ABUSE

-Telling one child he won and another child he lost became HURTFUL

-Expecting/Asking a person you care about to act with class and dignity became CONTROLLING or JEALOUS or POSSESSIVE

-If your best friend hit on you other best friends wife you knocked him out; now that became assault and you get sued.

-Criminal robs your house to support his drug habit he's out on work release a month later (this happened to a good friend)

 

There is no consequences for anybody these days. Plain and simple. But you will have you liberals who will tell you I'm wrong or crazy. I assure you I am MUCH smarter than them. I have a college degree, a law degree, and I passed the Bar exam the first time without even taking that $3000.00 course. It's a simple matter of problem solving/analyzing behavior.

 

So these girls grow up with their parents reinforcing their crap behavior "cause they are so cute" and "they wanna be their kids friends." And then their girlfriends support their crap behavior because "you gotta be happy girl" or "screw your man you gotta be happy." So essentially we are trying to win a war we have no chance on winning. The idiots are breeding more often than we are. The idiots are louder and believe other idiots moreso than us. The idiots message is an easier message than ours is to understand and since they are idiots that's the message they will choose to listen to (the easier one). That message being "Do what's good for me."

 

Well new BFF, you are a smart person, I probably don't have to tell you that a society that functions and is based on the principal "Do what's good for me and screw anyone else" won't last very long.