10 commandments of dating for men

[Els]

So lets see, Nighsky’s ideal woman is:

 

10. A woman who believes in the right to vote just as long as she doesn’t believe she is equal to men.

 

9. No nags! Except when it comes to farting..then it’s okay.

 

8. No to porn...at least for her. Men can enjoy porn though.

 

7. A woman that likes men that look like those dudes from Duck Dynasty...and and the nagging again..Farting is okay to nag about. Shaving and food isn’t.

 

6. Sex - A woman that does not have any needs other then to sexually please her man on command! She has the flu?That’s her problem! She needs to please her man.

 

5. Sex - a woman that is sexy so that you want to bang her.

 

4. Sex - a woman that is cute so that you want to bang her.

 

3. If she isn’t funny she at least MUST find you funny... so that you want to bang her.

 

2. Trust...except when I want to look at porn and will do so when she isn’t around but she isn’t allowed to!

 

1. Sex - Must be sexy or cute with in-shape body by my personal standards.... so that I want to bang her.

 

Adding to that:

 

- A woman who doesn't like sex, because that's feminist, but believes in doing her wifely duty to have sex at regular intervals.

 

- A woman who loves to roleplay and dress up in the bedroom (but doesn't like sex and has never watched porn? hmm...)

 

- A woman who doesn't believe in all the egalitarian modern nonsense, but somehow agrees to have a prenup with her marriage

[Nightsky]

So... you want a woman who's willing to be the housewife and do all those traditional things that you expect a woman to do, but you want all of that with a PRENUP??? Good luck with that, my friend.

 

Oh, wait, you kinda have to get past the stage of asking a girl out first, so good luck with THAT to begin with, I guess.

 

I'm not really looking for a "traditional" woman but since you bring that up the "traditional" woman wouldn't expect to divorce a man and live lavishly with her alimony... you need to think harder if you want to argue with me.

 

So lets see, Nighsky’s ideal woman is:

 

10. A woman who believes in the right to vote just as long as she doesn’t believe she is equal to men.

 

9. No nags! Except when it comes to farting..then it’s okay.

 

8. No to porn...at least for her. Men can enjoy porn though.

 

7. A woman that likes men that look like those dudes from Duck Dynasty...and and the nagging again..Farting is okay to nag about. Shaving and food isn’t.

 

6. Sex - A woman that does not have any needs other then to sexually please her man on command! She has the flu?That’s her problem! She needs to please her man.

 

5. Sex - a woman that is sexy so that you want to bang her.

 

4. Sex - a woman that is cute so that you want to bang her.

 

3. If she isn’t funny she at least MUST find you funny... so that you want to bang her.

 

2. Trust...except when I want to look at porn and will do so when she isn’t around but she isn’t allowed to!

 

1. Sex - Must be sexy or cute with in-shape body by my personal standards.... so that I want to bang her.

 

Where did I say I think it's olright for men to be into porn? I don't, but this is about what to look for when dating. Not what kind of man to be. One subject at a time.

 

You're not as funny as I'm sure you think you are.

 

Adding to that:

 

- A woman who doesn't like sex, because that's feminist, but believes in doing her wifely duty to have sex at regular intervals.

 

- A woman who loves to roleplay and dress up in the bedroom (but doesn't like sex and has never watched porn? hmm...)

 

- A woman who doesn't believe in all the egalitarian modern nonsense, but somehow agrees to have a prenup with her marriage

 

I don't mind if a woman likes sex, that doesn't mean she has to be into pornography... great disconnect as always.

 

hmm a prenup is about a marriage ending. So really why wouldn't I want to protect myself in that scenario. Heck it probably makes the marriage less likely to end.

[edgygirl]

lol. LS is hilarious AND entertaining. A 17 yo arguing he's more intelligent than a woman who got a honor ceremony from UN Secretary for her work (assuming I am not too dumb and googled it right). Come on! And spare us from the theory that scientists are not good with relationships as we all seen sensible relationship advice in her posts.

 

I'm sorry son, but sometimes it's smart to know when to fold.

[Nyla]

I wonder if the men who are so into being the head of the household, main providers, etc are totally ok with heavy alimony payments for their unskilled ex wives (work wise) should they fall in love with their secretaries and demand a divorce? Further, I hope the child support they give is enough that she can still stay home with kids assuming a grandmother isn't available. After all, traditional 'real men' don't renege on the deals they make and keep their promises. So if you agree to be the wallet, I hope you don't think it's cool to break that promise and close that bank account should you decide to trade your wife in for a younger model.

 

Oh wait? You want to dip your stick elsewhere, but now your poor destitute wife should work overtime at McDonald's while your kids raise themselves in front of the tv? Meanwhile, you're driving a porshe and taking your little chippy to Europe twice a year?

 

If this is the definition of a 'real man,' they have no one to blame but themselves for the rise of feminism.

 

On that note, I'm just going to keep on earning my hefty salary and progressing in my career so my future children will be provided for no matter what.

 

Guess that makes me a feminist.

 

Personally I think people like the OP prefer little air heads living in the kitchen and scrubbing poo stains out of their tighty whiteys because they know deep down in their hearts they could never out earn, out sex, or out run the mother-fing sh-t out of household than a woman like me. Also, it hurts their precious masculinity when they realize they're nowhere near as bright.

 

No biggie. Like is SUPPOSED to attract like. So redneck patriarchs SHOULD be with empty boring women who are skilled in the 'art' of vacuuming.

 

Being fairly intelligent myself, I require a brilliant mate. Lucky for me, most of the brilliant men I've dated (including the one I am about to marry) love and adore a woman who can keep up with them intellectually... While at the same time giving them toe curling bjs.

 

As far as I'm concerned, both of us are exactly where we should be. (outside of the fact that OP is single and I'm not. But, I'm sure he'll meet his perfect 17 year old future broodmare soon enough. I bet she CANT WAIT to clean up the p-ss on his bathroom floor and then send him off to work at his ever so important middle management job like a true alpha.)

 

I'm sensing a lot of hate and contempt for SAHM's or women who don't have great careers like yourself. A woman as intelligent as you should know better than that.

 

My husband dated women with high flying careers before he met me. He said that the women with amazing careers were far too selfish for his liking. They felt that they were above doing housework, but they expected to be wined, dined and spoiled. A woman who shouts about her independence and her brilliance better be prepared to pay her own way at all times.

 

He married me because I understood give and take. Since I enjoyed being treated like a princess, I had no issue with treating him like a prince. My husband is willing to go to great lengths to make my life easier and happier, so I have no issue with making him dinner or doing his laundry. I am not a selfish person.

 

I am currently a college student at age 30. The years I would have spent going to university were marked with severe illness and doctor's visits. The fact that I don't have my career as yet, does not make me any less valuable than a woman who is paid well for what she does. I am also nearly ten years younger than my husband.

 

I guess I am just a "chippy" who "scrubs poo stains out of underwear" right? Get over yourself. The fact that I like do things for my husband does not make me an "airhead". I am shocked and dismayed that someone as obviously bright as yourself, has such erroneous and laughably prejudiced beliefs.

 

One of my brothers had a long relationship with a woman who had a successful career. She refused to do anything domestic for him and my brother finally left her because she was too self-centred. Now that same woman calls my brother weeping and begging for him back. She knows that her degree isn't going to keep her warm at night or offer companionship.

 

I used to be friends with a woman who had her first child at 17. She is now 30 with five children and not even a high school diploma. I know this woman is smart enough to be a doctor, but she prefers to be completely traditional and dependent on her husband. Even though I thought this woman was wasting her brain, I never badgered her about her choices. She is free to have babies without trying to further her schooling, just as I am free to work part time and attend college. I will never outearn my husband, but since I was independent before I met him, I still want to maintain some of my own identity and earn my own money. Oh and when I finish school, I will "only" be a medical admin, which is basically a specialized secretary or hospital clerk who does paperwork. Sorry that my profession isn't as good as yours, but I try my best given my health issues and my finances.

 

Feminism is supposed to be about choices, but women who choose traditional paths are still looked at as though they have selected the wrong choice and that is unfair. You sound just as bad as men who are afraid of intelligent and successful women.

[Mme. Chaucer]

lol. LS is hilarious AND entertaining. A 17 yo arguing he's more intelligent than a woman who got a honor ceremony from UN Secretary for her work (assuming I am not too dumb and googled it right).

 

Uh … of course you're dumb. You don't have a wiener.

[Drseussgrrl]

I'm not really sure why you ladies are still debating this neanderthal.

[Els]

I'm not really sure why you ladies are still debating this neanderthal.

 

I stopped the debating threads ago. I think currently it's 'poke him in his cage and giggle' stage.

[Nightsky]

I'm not really sure why you ladies are still debating this neanderthal.

 

How dare you! Was it not you who once told me "that is the funniest thing I have ever heard" about something I once wrote on LS.

 

Also lead by example if that's your position and stay out of here with your lame low blows.

[Els]

I'm sensing a lot of hate and contempt for SAHM's or women who don't have great careers like yourself. A woman as intelligent as you should know better than that.

 

My husband dated women with high flying careers before he met me. He said that the women with amazing careers were far too selfish for his liking. They felt that they were above doing housework, but they expected to be wined, dined and spoiled. A woman who shouts about her independence and her brilliance better be prepared to pay her own way at all times.

 

He married me because I understood give and take. Since I enjoyed being treated like a princess, I had no issue with treating him like a prince. My husband is willing to go to great lengths to make my life easier and happier, so I have no issue with making him dinner or doing his laundry. I am not a selfish person.

 

I am currently a college student at age 30. The years I would have spent going to university were marked with severe illness and doctor's visits. The fact that I don't have my career as yet, does not make me any less valuable than a woman who is paid well for what she does. I am also nearly ten years younger than my husband.

 

I guess I am just a "chippy" who "scrubs poo stains out of underwear" right? Get over yourself. The fact that I like do things for my husband does not make me an "airhead". I am shocked and dismayed that someone as obviously bright as yourself, has such erroneous and laughably prejudiced beliefs.

 

One of my brothers had a long relationship with a woman who had a successful career. She refused to do anything domestic for him and my brother finally left her because she was too self-centred. Now that same woman calls my brother weeping and begging for him back. She knows that her degree isn't going to keep her warm at night or offer companionship.

 

I used to be friends with a woman who had her first child at 17. She is now 30 with five children and not even a high school diploma. I know this woman is smart enough to be a doctor, but she prefers to be completely traditional and dependent on her husband. Even though I thought this woman was wasting her brain, I never badgered her about her choices. She is free to have babies without trying to further her schooling, just as I am free to work part time and attend college. I will never outearn my husband, but since I was independent before I met him, I still want to maintain some of my own identity and earn my own money. Oh and when I finish school, I will "only" be a medical admin, which is basically a specialized secretary or hospital clerk who does paperwork. Sorry that my profession isn't as good as yours, but I try my best given my health issues and my finances.

 

Feminism is supposed to be about choices, but women who choose traditional paths are still looked at as though they have selected the wrong choice and that is unfair. You sound just as bad as men who are afraid of intelligent and successful women.

 

I think she was talking about the women that the OP wants, which is quite different from most SAHMs.

[Taramere]

Nightsky, you asked me to produce a humorous, edited down version of your commandments. Honestly, I think I'd lose the will to live if I got embroiled in this thread of yours...however I think this has it all covered:

 

The Stepford Wives (1975) - YouTube

[Nyla]

People who are truly smart do not need to pontificate about it all the time. Arrogance is not intelligence, nor is it an attractive trait in a man or a woman.

 

My husband likes that I keep him on his toes. Despite the fact that he is vastly more educated than I am, I am still a much better debater than my husband will ever be. This is why I am able to win most arguments that we have.

 

Of course, I would rather be happy than right, so I don't take my husband to task on every little mistake he makes.

 

The OP is free to want what he wants, even if his needs are unfair and only benefit him. Just as I meet a lot of feminists who want a man to pay for them, I run into so many men who want to be the served by women but refuse to support the women financially. We cannot have it both ways.

[Els]

The OP is free to want what he wants, even if his needs are unfair and only benefit him. Just as I meet a lot of feminists who want a man to pay for them, I run into so many men who want to be the served by women but refuse to support the women financially. We cannot have it both ways.

 

Of course he is free to do so, but we are free to laugh at how ludicrous it all is, too. I mean, a 300 lbs woman with 5 children is totally free to want a male model who supports her to be a SAHM, wines and dines her, hires a maid so she doesn't have to do any housework and only wants to give her oral and not receive.

 

Doesn't mean I ain't gonna chuckle when I read it.

[Nyla]

I think she was talking about the women that the OP wants, which is quite different from most SAHMs.

 

She mentioned "airheads who live in the kitchen" or do their man's laundry.

 

These are tasks that SAHMs complete, in addition to raising children and being financially supported.

 

Most of the SAHMs I know are uneducated and have no career aspirations.

 

I find the OP's needs funny as well.

[Els]

She mentioned "airheads who live in the kitchen" or do their man's laundry.

 

These are tasks that SAHMs complete, in addition to raising children and being financially supported.

 

Most of the SAHMs I know are uneducated and have no career aspirations.

 

She mentioned that the OP wants airheads who live in the kitchen. Of course I could be reading her wrong, but it seems to me that she was talking about a very specific sort of woman that would fit the OP's requirements, not SAHMs in general (most SAHMs I know don't have sex purely out of duty, and they're smart enough to not sign a prenup that would leave them totally in the cold if he ever divorces them, AND many of them are actually *gasp* evil feminists who believe in women's rights and choices!).

[Nyla]

A real man can handle a woman who believes in equal rights for females.

 

It is that simple.

 

I was once in an abusive relationship with a much older man. He believed that women should serve men, yet he also thinks that women should pay their own way. What made his beliefs even more hilarious is that this man refused to work and slept all day; his parents supported him.

 

My husband is a breath of fresh air. Despite our age difference, he never tries to control or mold me. He also considers my opinions and feelings when making a decision even though he is the breadwinner. My husband defines what a real man is; secure enough to realize that women are important too.

 

Being in the kitchen does not make a woman an airhead. Having a job as a secretary does not make a woman less intelligent or valuable. These are the issues I had with a Janesays' post and I gave a response that spoke about my objections.

Edited January 11, 2013 by Nyla

[Janesays]

A real man can handle a woman who believes in equal rights for females.

 

It is that simple.

 

I was once in an abusive relationship with a much older man. He believed that women should serve men, yet he also thinks that women should pay their own way. What made his beliefs even more hilarious is that this man refused to work and slept all day; his parents supported him.

 

My husband is a breath of fresh air. Despite our age difference, he never tries to control or mold me. He also considers my opinions and feelings when making a decision even though he is the breadwinner. My husband defines what a real man is; secure enough to realize that women are important too.

 

Being in the kitchen does not make a woman an airhead. Having a job as a secretary does not make a woman less intelligent or valuable. These are the issues I had with a Janesays' post and I gave a response that spoke about my objections.

 

I apologize Nyla. After re-reading my posts, I can see how it may look like I look down on woman who prefer to stay home as opposed to live a more career oriented lifestyle. Staying home can be grueling work! What I had issue with is wanting a woman who will bow down and accept living in the kitchen (when she may have aspirations of more) based on nothing besides her gender. I mean what if the man is better with the children? What if the man is a better cook? What if the man is more organized and better at keeping the house tidy? What if the woman has a higher earning potential? DOESN'T MATTER TO THE OP. Women need to bow down and do a 'woman's work' for no other reason than she's a woman.

 

BS, I say.

 

For the record, I have lived in the kitchen today. New years resolution was to learn to cook for my man and that's what I've been experimenting with all day. But NOT because I'm a woman and that's what he 'expects.' Simply because I love him and I want to see him happy. He cooks for me, too. I know, right? What a 'mangina!'

[Mme. Chaucer]

Being in the kitchen does not make a woman an airhead. Having a job as a secretary does not make a woman less intelligent or valuable.

 

I agree with this 100%. And I'd like to add that being a scientist or Secretary of State does not make a woman a ball-breaking harridan. Nor does being a feminist.

 

Women can choose any path. Some are going to be more challenging, in a social sense, than others, especially when they are perceived as "threatening" to men like the OP.

 

Likewise, men are free to choose any path as well. A man CAN be a stay at home parent. And, like with women being in non traditional "women's roles," these men will face societal disapproval more than those who choose the traditional "manly" ones. They'll be called a "mangina" by self professed manly men, like our OP here. In fact, I think that at this point in history it's more difficult for men to find acceptance and even legal equity if they've chosen this type of path than it is for women who've not gone the traditional route.

 

Fortunately, there are plenty of more socially progressive people about, and with any luck the men and women who choose less traditional paths will find themselves among them.

 

All the ranting about "biological imperatives" and facile "evo-psyche" will not change the real truth - we are ALL free to choose, at least those of us who are blessed with the socio-economic wherewithal to even have a choice at all. Our chromosomes, hormones and genitalia don't have to rule our lives. This is what feminism wrought, like it or not.

[BetheButterfly]

I will off the top of my head make 10 rules to go by when dating if you are a man. These rules will be in no particular order.

 

10.) Don't date feminists. This means don't date a woman who truelly buys into complete equality between men and women. As in a woman who thinks their is no difference between boys and girls other than social constructs made up by the patriarchy. Also be inclined toward women who support the patriarchy. I'm not saying don't date a woman who believes in the right to vote or a right to respect... I'm saying stay away from feminists.

 

1. I am a feminist. I am out of your list, which frankly doesn't bother me. I have a wonderful husband who has no problem with feminists, but is a feminist himself! My Dad is a feminist also. A feminist does not have to be a woman, you know.

 

Feminist | Define Feminist at Dictionary.com

"fem·i·nist

 

[fem-uh-nist] Show IPA

adjective 1. advocating social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men.

 

 

noun 2. an advocate of such rights."

 

 

 

 

9.) Don't date a nag. It may seem cute in the begining but it will get old quick. Do not date a woman who is going to try to change you in any way. I'm not talking about a girl who says don't fart near me or something like that. More the woman who just talks ****ty about the way you eat or your friends or things like that. Seems obvious but watch out for this.

 

Nagging is a verb; I am not fond of calling a person a nag, same as complaining is a verb and I don't see why to call a person a complaint, you know? I do try not to nag my hubby and he doesn't nag or annoy me very much at all. We do communicate what we need to each other though.

 

8.) Don't date a girl who enjoys porn. Seems fun right a girl who looks at porn. Wrong stay away from this kind of girl. Probably a feminist but its got its own category.

 

I do think porn harms love... it's one of the poisons to love, in my opinion.

 

7.) Don't date a woman who wants her men to shave. This is kind of the nag... but specifically you want to be able to be hairy on your back, face, where ever you want. Oh and if you want to wax and shave WHY?

 

Natural (with hair) is cool, but my husband shaves because he wants to and has way before I met me, and I shave because he nags me to lol. I like to tease him about it being natural to not shave but I'm fine shaving/waxing and I like not getting hairs in my mouth when I am ...

 

6.) This seems obvious but date a girl who wants to please her man. This includes sex! This means she wants to give it to you regularly as a priority. Understands men need it regularly and not to with hold it.

 

Agreed, and visa versa- good advice for women, to date a man who wants to please her too, including sex.

 

5.) Date a girl you find sexy. Seems obvious but some people need to hear this.

 

4.) Date a girl you find cute. I'll add this separate from sexy. Sexy meaning you want to have sex with her. Cute meaning you find the way she acts and is to be charming. As a man you know you can find a total bitch sexy and want to spank her and fck her and all that. It doesn't mean you find her cute... as in charming. If you date her you need to find her cute as well as sexy.

 

Agreed, though I'd substitute the uncaring couth term you used with "making love."

3.) Really all this stuff is so obvious I feel like doctor Phil here... I guess this won't stop people from arguing with me like they do with him though but... HUMOR... This doesn't mean she has to be funny but that can be good too. But you want to share a sense of humor. Find the same things funny. Most importantly she needs to find you funny! Or atleast act that way lol. Obviously man humor won't always be funny to women but when you want to make her laugh or when you want to share a laugh you need to be able too.

 

I agree that humor is very important!

 

2)Trust. This has to be some one you feel you can build trust with. You know hold your secrets... not cheat on you at a minimum type of thing.

 

Agreed

1) In shape. She should be in some kind of shape. I mean I don't need to date an athlete... but I'm not going to date some fat chick. I put this separate from sexy for reasons that should be obvious. I think a fat chick can be pretty... but I want some one who respects their body to at least the minimal degree of not being fat. Also for the most part I wouldn't be attracted to some one who is fat.

 

Understood

[Mme. Chaucer]

 

1. I am a feminist. I am out of your list, which frankly doesn't bother me. I have a wonderful husband who has no problem with feminists, but is a feminist himself! My Dad is a feminist also. A feminist does not have to be a woman, you know.

 

 

Oh … I'm sorry. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but your husband AND your dad are both manginas.

[Nyla]

I apologize Nyla. After re-reading my posts, I can see how it may look like I look down on woman who prefer to stay home as opposed to live a more career oriented lifestyle. Staying home can be grueling work! What I had issue with is wanting a woman who will bow down and accept living in the kitchen (when she may have aspirations of more) based on nothing besides her gender. I mean what if the man is better with the children? What if the man is a better cook? What if the man is more organized and better at keeping the house tidy? What if the woman has a higher earning potential? DOESN'T MATTER TO THE OP. Women need to bow down and do a 'woman's work' for no other reason than she's a woman.

 

BS, I say.

 

For the record, I have lived in the kitchen today. New years resolution was to learn to cook for my man and that's what I've been experimenting with all day. But NOT because I'm a woman and that's what he 'expects.' Simply because I love him and I want to see him happy. He cooks for me, too. I know, right? What a 'mangina!'

 

Thanks for the apology. I appreciate it.

 

I am not a SAHM, but I love to cook, clean and wash for my husband.

 

The dear man pays for college and supports our household. He deserves a meal at the end of the day and a wife who appreciates him.

 

My husband will cook or do other chores if I am very busy with schoolwork. He has a nice sized package which gives me a lot of pleasure, not a mangina.

 

I live in the kitchen for the better part of a week.

[Janesays]

Nyla, are you any good at cooking? Because, so far, I am not so good at it! I would love some tips or recipe ideas, if you're inclined to share. You'd make a very handsome man who has no problem folding laundry so his woman can sleep in VERY happy.

[BetheButterfly]

 

Oh … I'm sorry. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but your husband AND your dad are both manginas.

 

What's a mangina? Now I have to google it sigh!

[Els]

For the record, I have lived in the kitchen today. New years resolution was to learn to cook for my man and that's what I've been experimenting with all day. But NOT because I'm a woman and that's what he 'expects.' Simply because I love him and I want to see him happy. He cooks for me, too. I know, right? What a 'mangina!'

 

Seconded for truth.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

 

You're not as funny as I'm sure you think you are.

 

I'm totally as funny as I think I am. As long as I find myself amusing, that's what matters.

[Nyla]

Nyla, are you any good at cooking? Because, so far, I am not so good at it! I would love some tips or recipe ideas, if you're inclined to share. You'd make a very handsome man who has no problem folding laundry so his woman can sleep in VERY happy.

 

I am an excellent cook. My mother taught me most of what I know, but I have a recipe website I love. Allrecipes - Recipes and cooking confidence for home cooks everywhere Members who try the recipes give helpful hints and it is great to read those before you try to cook something.

 

Thanks for the compliment. I do make my husband happy most of the time and he does for me as well.

 

For example, today I saw that we didn't have enough change to do all the laundry. I have an all day class tomorrow, so I won't have time then either. My husband called me at lunch to check how I was feeling (My mother has been ill and I have been depressed as a result.) and when I mentioned the laundry to him, he said "Don't worry baby. I'll wash the clothes.You just go to school and keep getting good grades."