Women who dislike alpha's

[ScienceGal]

The ex that brought me to LS was alpha. I had never dated anyone like him before and I don't believe I ever will.

 

I've said the same things the second woman said.

[dreamingoftigers]

I dont think any women isnt attracted to the good looking sucessful alpha some women just dont think they are in the league of an alpha or think if theyre i na relationship with one theyll cheat and as defense mechanism put them down

 

Ive seen it before where a women tears down the "alpha" talking about how arrogant he is blah blah blah and once that alpha shows interest in the women and charms her shes smitten and spreading her legs miunutes later..

 

I think I find the average alpha UNATTRACTIVE because throughout my dating years guys like that would talk to me like it was a foregone conclusion that I would want to Fu*k them because they are "hot."

 

Frankly, I was raised with very different attractiveness standards and not standard media until I was much older.

 

I am not ATTRACTED to guys with sinewy bodies. I don't CARE what anyone thinks of that. I didn't grow up with it, I see it now and it still looks kind of weird or artificial to me. I know these guys spent a lot of time on their appearance. Good for them. I find it weird.

 

I generally feel that when a guy obsessed about his appearance more than I do that I find it FEMININE. Those singing and dancing guys are in the same league to me as the roidmonkey at the gym or the guy that is particular about his shoes. GIRLY. TURNOFF.

 

I find it a turnoff to drive a flashy car. I couldn't give a **** about where you imported it from. A car has a function. It goes from "a" to "b." getting the shiniest car on the block with the "zxf365" WHATEVER engine fro

Japan engineered in Germany by a group of rocket scientists means you just paid triple for what you could get brand new to take you from "a" to "b." and it won't last you longer because you will want to replace it in a year or so. Good for you. You are an IDIOT.

 

It would be like paying $20 as opposed to $5 to take the bus across town and back because the $20 bus had "a smoother ride."

THAT IS IMPRACTICAL. That is a TURNOFF to me.

 

Alpha boys that talked to me like they had more money than me because of the jobs I worked and tried to impress me that way FAILED. Here's why: my maternal grandfather and father are both self-made millionaires. My grandfather was in the cocaine business in South Florida after a significant contribution to Canadian oil business including tar sands development. He is very wealthy. Sickeningly so. My cousins had their educations paid for by him. I REFUSED. Why? I had a friend that died from addiction to various things including crack. She OD'd.

 

There wasn't a chance I was going to take money that was just like blood money from a grandfather who otherwise didn't care. My father is a narcissist, he used his money to exploit people's attentions and affections. It sickened me. I chose my life. I don't regret it. Money is not a particularly impressive commodity to me. I can access it if I want. All I have to do is ask. I don't ask because I don't want to be a part of that game on a financial level. When I sleep in bed at night, I can sleep, because it is mine and not because some 12 year old is now hooked on cocaine or because my Dad evaded some taxes again. I will not be bought and sold by some alpha trying to be flashy like a GIRL AT A PROM.

 

Anyone who treats me like I am easy because of how I look is a TURNOFF to me. Unlike plenty of alphas I have more to offer than my looks, which may not be anything great to begin with.

 

1. I value sexual fidelity and loyalty. I only had two partners before I met my husband. Hearing about my mothers pain from having a father who didn't give her any attention but gave his mistresses full-focus was enough to make any "married alpha" who hit on me, an instant trip to my gag reflex. I chose my sexual expression, not some "superior" guy because he has a nice car and "charitably" hit on me.

 

2. I believe in empathy. I also notice if a man lacks it. Common trait in Alpha males. I would say that both my father and grandfather lacked it and made lives out of stepping on people. Often alphas step on others. They call it competition. I often see it not being a fair fight. TURN OFF.

 

3. Lots of alphas are aggressive upfront. I have a lot of those traits myself (thanks, Dad, I'll give you that). I often find myself having gone toe-to-toe/head-to-head because they think I'm a pushover. Initially I present that way. Even my own husband thought so. Not a chance TURNOFF. ever notice how alpha males don't tend to get together with alpha females?

 

4. A lot of them assume I'm stupid or have a whole bunch of girly interests instead of trying to get to know ME. Despite what you are reading, I'm damn approachable, I am also a straight shooter. If I find someone playing a head game. I shut them down. I don't care how hot you think you are. I don't have time for that ****. And if you are playing games with me and we just met, you are a GAME PLAYER. My family got rich off of mind games and business dealings I OWN THE FUVKING MANUAL. Seriously, negging = begging to me. You had to come up with some lame **** to say to bring me down so you could give me a high, piss off. It's called abuse, I knew what it was when I left home at 16. I feel bad for the girls that fall for it. Now, onto your next victim.

 

5. Alphas assumed I'm addicted to drama because I was born with a vagina. Although life with a vagina is very very exciting indeed, if I want drama I'll go visit my family for the evening. Frankly, I'm so sick of up and down high and low drama that all I wanted since I was sixteen is peace. That's what I offer in a relationship: PEACE. CLEAN HOME, SHARED TIME and STEADFAST SUPPORT THROUGH TROUBLES. Is it boring, maybe for alphas it is, I don't party much. But it's what I offer. In my dating years more than a few guys tried to upset that equilibrium for me. No way. Not going there, I left behind too much to do it.

 

6. I also offer up every sex act under the Sun because dammit I like sex. If I want sex, I don't need to be "pushed and pulled" to get it. If I was divorced I would want some dates with a straight-shooting, no games, take it slow, peaceful guy (economical car optional LOL). Then we would most likely get down.

 

Alphas to me are not bringers of peace and harmony.

It isn't attractive to me "because I am lying to myself."

 

It isn't attractive to me because MY PERSONAL LIFE CONTEXT is different from many people's. I find different things attractive because I WAS NOT CLONED IN A LAB AND IMPLANTED WITH A STANDARD FEMALE SET OF MEMORIES.

 

I am sure that I am not the only one here.

 

I view my husband as extremely attractive. He is to me. Blue eyes, soft features, and some gut to him. Since when did men stop eating? LOL.

 

Truly, I know guys are banging down my door as much as they used to. I'm not blind or dumb. But I also know that I deserve better than what an Alpha has to offer. Any day of the week. All of that flash is just that: flash. It's takes a lot of green and time to be that flashy. Think of all of the starving kids around the world Mr. Alpha-Flash could've helped instead of using all of that energy to "trap" another "10." He could've actually CREATED SOME MEANING in his life and others instead of using it all up on his hair.

 

End essay.

[dreamingoftigers]

You know what Greznog, you may have something there and here's why:

 

1. I left home at 16. That means I started making my own way, right away. I left home due to my father's untenable behavior.

 

2. Women and young men today are often supported more by their families etc for more years than I was (usually until they are finished college). That means a delayed onset in maturity. They can keep "affording to have fun" for however long. None of the practicality of these things or the long-term implications of them have to be taken into account until later in life when it comes time to make your own way.

 

3. I see the Alpha/prospect dynamic to be completely immature. From a very young age my mother had a very long list of things I should seek in a partner. She thought she followed her own list (she didn't). However from a young age I could see the disconnect and looked more toward character than physical selection. Plus my markers for physical selection were programmed rather differently than the standards of youth around me. For instance both my patents let me know that I was beautiful. Quite frankly, it was a lie. BUT I didn't accept anyone as a mate who didn't treat me as being at least pretty to them. Plus I never felt underconfident due to being overweight. I didn't feel that pressure until I got much older and realized

the very negative societal bias to them. It left me with a net advantage given my circumstances. Alpha/prospect relationships are often short-term, grounded in physicality, and based on "let's just have fun." I was selecting already for a better partner than what I saw at home. Flashiness and smooth-talking were not among the criteria. I could tell that I baffled more than a few guys by not buying into the formula. But I couldn't see why until I got older

 

4. A lot of young women were raised on the fairytales that their mother spun them. I can see how an alpha would appear to be a knight-in-shining-armour and then women run after him when it looks like that knight is riding away. I learned young that real knights stick through tough battles. My father (despite his assholiness) stayed by mother through debilitating back conditions, two autistic children and boatloads and stress and angst. Alphas don't stay for anything. In fact, during my dating years, I would have men somehow meet my father inadvertently on the second date (usually 2nd). It worked very well. If they could deal with whatever he put out there in a healthy way, than they could deal with ANYTHING I had to offer. I would say that he weeded put approximately 50-60% of any potential suitors. If a guy got in a fight with him, I knew he was the type to escalate conflict. If a guy submitted to him completely, that showed me he wouldn't be able to deal with my extendeds in the long run. One guy cried (I felt bad, he still became my first real bf). One guy got so loaded with my Dad I practically had to carry him to a cab. Only a handful asserted themselves well and became LTR. I am site that they are all successful men today. (except for my most recent ex).

 

99% of the time it's older women/single mothers saying these kinds of things.

 

Sure darling maybe you've learned your lesson now that you're 30 or you've been left with two bastard children that certain men might not make the best partners.. that's not the same as not being attracted to them, as much as you try to claim otherwise.

 

I did some volunteer work at an elementary/middle school when I was younger and I set many boys straight about what their mothers had been telling them about getting girls to like you.

 

They weren't lying, it just didn't apply to attracting females under 35.

[dreamingoftigers]

Of course women like alphas. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. Most of these guys set off intense emotional responses in women that they simply can't ignore. Most of the girls I know that don't like "that kind of guy" are the ones that got burned by them in the first place. Women are attracted to dominant males.

 

When I think of a dominant make I think "yes, that's attractive."

 

But when I think of a dominant male, it isn't what I see in the standard alpha.

 

When I think of a dominant male, I see someone in control of himself, who has extraordinary mental and emotional strength. Someone who is there for tough times like a rock and is unmoved but people pushing him around. I see a man who stands by his family. Fights for them when necessary. Doesn't start that fight, but sure finishes it.

 

I don't see that with the standard "alphas." I see a bunch of guys acting like

formulaic sheep trying to get as much vagina as they can before they get too old to get it up and trying to cloak it as something else. "I don't take no sh*t from women" really being slang for "I can't meaningfully attach to a single freaking one, as soon as they get close or want a little more of my time, I bail because of I don't keep my options open, I might not have any."

 

It's almost like being an alcoholic, except those guys are addicted to themselves and what they can "get" instead of how they can truly help things change for people everywhere for the better. I just see them as glorified takers.

[dreamingoftigers]

Sorry for any errors. Typing on iPhone.

 

I wouldn't have made it so long, but this rhetoric had been floating around LS for so long and I am sick of being told (in general, as a woman) "your lying to yourself" "you want this musclely rich blah blah blah" "you only say that because you must be fat/ugly/old."

 

Oh for the love of God, shuddup. Seriously.

 

I find the "Alpha" myth mainly an excuse for young guys who feel insecure not to make an effort to date because "all the girls don't like me so I am not going to play." And conversely gives the guys who are more outgoing and arrogant the entitlement to treat women like crap "stay Alpha."

 

Really? There are so many better, more long-term dateable friendly causes to get mixed up on besides this alpha GARBAGE.

 

If you aren't getting dates, start creating something, be tons more expressive. Like six times more. Start there. I knew a dateless guy (I actually had a little crush on him in the beginning until I found out he regularly cut himself). Anyway, he quit doing that and started writing poetry. It was fuc*ing painful. Oh god, and he'd READ it to us. FML.

 

Anyhow, he was one of my friends so we were all supportive. Well after screw months he actually got really good. And I HATE poetry. He had a reading at a local cafe. He started hanging out with more people, got the confidence to ask girls out, gave up his v-card to this one that would screech like a cat during sex (we were roommates at the time, my other roommate and I would sit and laugh). They broke up, he dated about 10 other girls and got married. Read his wife a poem on their marriage proposal.

 

Not my cup of tea, but that's not the point. He found a niche and exploited it. He out himself out there (rather embarassingly I might add) and it WORKED. women don't just respond to "jerks." we respond to guys that fine-tune themselves and PUT THEMSELVES OUT THERE.

[Eternal Sunshine]

Greznog,

 

That wasn't my type since I turned 30

 

The first guy I felt strongly about was like that and I was 14 at the time. He was semi-goth, loner with no friends, quiet, brilliant in physics. He was nice looking but in unconventional way, very dark and mysterious.

 

Meanwhile, the most popular guy in class who all the girls were drooling over did nothing for me. He was a loud, cheesy jock

[PJKino]

Sorry for any errors. Typing on iPhone.

 

I wouldn't have made it so long, but this rhetoric had been floating around LS for so long and I am sick of being told (in general, as a woman) "your lying to yourself" "you want this musclely rich blah blah blah" "you only say that because you must be fat/ugly/old."

 

Oh for the love of God, shuddup. Seriously.

 

I find the "Alpha" myth mainly an excuse for young guys who feel insecure not to make an effort to date because "all the girls don't like me so I am not going to play." And conversely gives the guys who are more outgoing and arrogant the entitlement to treat women like crap "stay Alpha."

 

Really? There are so many better, more long-term dateable friendly causes to get mixed up on besides this alpha GARBAGE.

 

If you aren't getting dates, start creating something, be tons more expressive. Like six times more. Start there. I knew a dateless guy (I actually had a little crush on him in the beginning until I found out he regularly cut himself). Anyway, he quit doing that and started writing poetry. It was fuc*ing painful. Oh god, and he'd READ it to us. FML.

 

Anyhow, he was one of my friends so we were all supportive. Well after screw months he actually got really good. And I HATE poetry. He had a reading at a local cafe. He started hanging out with more people, got the confidence to ask girls out, gave up his v-card to this one that would screech like a cat during sex (we were roommates at the time, my other roommate and I would sit and laugh). They broke up, he dated about 10 other girls and got married. Read his wife a poem on their marriage proposal.

 

Not my cup of tea, but that's not the point. He found a niche and exploited it. He out himself out there (rather embarassingly I might add) and it WORKED. women don't just respond to "jerks." we respond to guys that fine-tune themselves and PUT THEMSELVES OUT THERE.

 

Why does a grown man need a gimmick?

[dreamingoftigers]

Why does a grown man need a gimmick?

 

Are you asking in terms of "alpha-ness" or terms of my poetry-reading friend?

[PJKino]

Are you asking in terms of "alpha-ness" or terms of my poetry-reading friend?

 

Your poetry reading friend.WHy do we need a niche or gimmick to attract a grown women?

[kaylan]

Personally, I dislike popular guys with lots of friends. I am more drawn to eccentric loners. Popular guys are like mainstream music and movies: lame and bland.

God forbid a guy be likeable, friendly, and social . What a lame and bland thing to be :rolleyes:

 

Lets stop with all this BS alpha hot guy vs average joe crap. The insecure women replying are really sad to me...and Im an average bloke who wouldnt dare date a girl with the mindset of "ill date this regular average guy because im scared the really sexy popular one will cheat on me".

 

Im nobody's safe bet. I want to be someones main bet where they risk it all.

Edited January 13, 2013 by kaylan

[dreamingoftigers]

Your poetry reading friend.WHy do we need a niche or gimmick to attract a grown women?

 

Frankly, here's why: alpha-ness and poetry and both "gimmicks" but what they also do is showcase a personality trait that is desireable: social ability.

 

My friend didn't get swaths of women at poetry readings. He got women because he got confident enough to share with them. He was confident enough because he developed a talent.

 

Honestly, most of us girls are attracted by sharing. Seriously. I'm not even kidding. We are socialized from such a young age to share, share our toys, share secrets, share experiences and we generally detest loneliness.

 

A guy that shares a piece of himself really, really endears himself to her and honestly even if what he is sharing to an audience of women doesn't appeal to 80% of them, they will share with their friends what they saw.

 

Most women brag about their boyfriends in a sense because it's "look what I get to share with him."

 

Even the women that gold-dig are hoping buddy will share.

 

Sharing for men though means sacrifice. Most of the games men play are all about making it look like they will share with a woman and only her (like a super-special thing) and then they get sex and take off. That's why we get so hurt over crap like that. We think we've got something special. A real sharing relationship and friendship but all he wanted was to take something from us.

 

Most men are afraid of being manipulated to share something with a woman and get nothing in return. They are more afraid of being made to look like a fool or a chump. More women are afraid to lose the sharing bond. It's instinctive in us to protect it.

 

Alphas exploit that. Players exploit that. They say "oh honey, I've got some great things to share emotionally and otherwise, you can tell all your girls about it cause you're so special!" And then they use that against women. But she "shoulda known." Most of the younger girls don't because they were raised to care about how other people might feel and not to use them.

 

Don't get me wrong, there are women users too. They'll throw their vaginas at you faster than you can say, "how much did you say you wanted?"

 

But from my perspective, as a woman, generally women aren't attracted to a guy unless it looks like he has something to share and he's looking for someone trustworthy to share it with OR he's already shorn that he's willing to share.

 

A lot of marriages fall apart when the woman aims at hurting the man's pride to get him to share more and-or the man resents the woman for something and he stops sharing.

 

Want to be an attractive guy? Make it look like you have more to share than anyone else (and it does NOT need to be MONEY OR LOOKS, it can be time, EMPATHY, something emotional (even anger works with dysfunctional young girls) and walk around like you won't share it with just ANYONE. Girls will want to know what it is. What's he got? What's he want to share that he can't find someone to share with?

 

Those guys that give a ton to charity, women love that sh*t. It shows that a guy is secure with sharing and he has a good heart.

[dreamingoftigers]

God forbid a guy be likeable, friendly, and social . What a lame and bland thing to be :rolleyes:

 

Lets stop with all this BS alpha hot guy vs average joe crap. The insecure women replying are really sad to me...and Im an average bloke who wouldnt dare date a girl with the mindset of "ill date this regular average guy because im scared the really sexy popular one will cheat on me".

 

Im nobody's safe bet. I want to be someones main bet where they risk it all.

 

I hope to Hell you aren't referring to me LOL.

 

I married a very friendly, sociable guy. His demons came up later on but he battled the crap out of those too.

 

I don't think a good-looking, wealthy guy is any more likely to cheat than a down-low average dude if randomly pulled. However, if a guy is a Flashy alpha player type, he kind lets you know who he is.

 

Had I met a confident, no-games, handsome, wealthy charming dude I could trust before I met my husband and there was a mutual attraction: I have enough confidence in myself and what I bring to the table to be his LTR mate.

 

It didn't play out that way. I met him low-down and I saw him be that friendly, confident guy despite his circumstances. Even though he's knocked himself out over the last few years, he become that guy again and fought through amazing odds, yet again. I expect nothing less from him.

 

And if he turns into a zillionaire I won't go hiding under a rock going "oh Lordy, Lordy, my man gonna cheat now." He knows what cheating and playing around does to himself and his family. I have no issues laying him out a map to the door and finding myself a partner that will show me respect and vice-versa.

 

I wish more women would stand up to the "bad boy" and say "you go be bad by yourself, I'm not having any of it." I did that when I was younger too. I don't know if girls miss the signs or if they don't care.

 

I think taking the safe bet is the smart way to go. But not in the way you are thinking. If a man wants to cheat, he doesn't need money or perfect teeth to do that. A man's going to find an option and cheat. We all have options, some less, some more. I have them too. I don't need to pick a high-risk bet with poor boundaries and stability. I have no idea why women are okay with a man they can't respect. That includes picking lower than they think they deserve.

[charlietheginger]

Usually crazy women like badboys they

Like the emotional rollercoaster of being used

and dumped gives them something to chat

About on facebook or at lunch break

[PJKino]

Frankly, here's why: alpha-ness and poetry and both "gimmicks" but what they also do is showcase a personality trait that is desireable: social ability.

 

My friend didn't get swaths of women at poetry readings. He got women because he got confident enough to share with them. He was confident enough because he developed a talent.

 

Honestly, most of us girls are attracted by sharing. Seriously. I'm not even kidding. We are socialized from such a young age to share, share our toys, share secrets, share experiences and we generally detest loneliness.

 

A guy that shares a piece of himself really, really endears himself to her and honestly even if what he is sharing to an audience of women doesn't appeal to 80% of them, they will share with their friends what they saw.

 

Most women brag about their boyfriends in a sense because it's "look what I get to share with him."

 

Even the women that gold-dig are hoping buddy will share.

 

Sharing for men though means sacrifice. Most of the games men play are all about making it look like they will share with a woman and only her (like a super-special thing) and then they get sex and take off. That's why we get so hurt over crap like that. We think we've got something special. A real sharing relationship and friendship but all he wanted was to take something from us.

 

Most men are afraid of being manipulated to share something with a woman and get nothing in return. They are more afraid of being made to look like a fool or a chump. More women are afraid to lose the sharing bond. It's instinctive in us to protect it.

 

Alphas exploit that. Players exploit that. They say "oh honey, I've got some great things to share emotionally and otherwise, you can tell all your girls about it cause you're so special!" And then they use that against women. But she "shoulda known." Most of the younger girls don't because they were raised to care about how other people might feel and not to use them.

 

Don't get me wrong, there are women users too. They'll throw their vaginas at you faster than you can say, "how much did you say you wanted?"

 

But from my perspective, as a woman, generally women aren't attracted to a guy unless it looks like he has something to share and he's looking for someone trustworthy to share it with OR he's already shorn that he's willing to share.

 

A lot of marriages fall apart when the woman aims at hurting the man's pride to get him to share more and-or the man resents the woman for something and he stops sharing.

 

Want to be an attractive guy? Make it look like you have more to share than anyone else (and it does NOT need to be MONEY OR LOOKS, it can be time, EMPATHY, something emotional (even anger works with dysfunctional young girls) and walk around like you won't share it with just ANYONE. Girls will want to know what it is. What's he got? What's he want to share that he can't find someone to share with?

 

Those guys that give a ton to charity, women love that sh*t. It shows that a guy is secure with sharing and he has a good heart.

 

I do share kindness and generosity women in my social circle say what a gentleman and good guy iam but my good looking friend is the men women gravitate too

 

I belevie what u say about yourself but the majority of women these days make decisons based on their hormones

[Bristolius]

Humans don't have alpha males.

 

But even in the packs of species that do, the females will publicly submit to the alpha, and later sneak off to mate with the males they actually prefer.

[mortensorchid]

I had always equated the term Alpha Male as another way of saying Bad Boy. I've been with those in the past, like all gals have : They're more fun than a barrel of monkeys, they are tornados in the sack, but it's going to get real old real fast when they're getting into fist fights, throwing chairs through windows and calling for bail money. Ah well, there seem to be nothing but Alphas and losers out there, but this is not a personal pity party.

 

A popular guy? I would like to meet a popular guy, quite honestly. I seem to be seeing a lot of guys out there who have very few friends or shy away from socializing. Why? There are shy guys, to be sure, but they're not shy when it comes to other things (their career options, for example). But now that you mention it, I would imagine that an Alpha Male / Bad Boy (who I just described) are fairly popular or at least well known. Maybe not everyone likes them, but they are known because of their behaviors. That is a form of popularity, right?

[phineas]

Why does a grown man need a gimmick?

 

Watch Swingers.

[kaylan]

Watch Swingers.

You are so money right now.

[spiderowl]

Yes, they do exist. I tend to avoid alphas. They often look too aggressive for me and the kind of guy who would always walk on ahead and not wait for me. I like sensitive guys - not so sensitive that they daren't ask me out or who can't be strong when it's called for though.

 

I do think alphas are likely to cheat and are so busy doing their own thing and forging ahead with whatever challenge they've spotted that they are never likely to be around anyway. Give me a guy who I can have a good conversation with any time!

[ls32ssibm]

Yet again...

 

What exactly makes an "Alpha Male" in human society?

 

Money? Fine, let them have the gold digging whores.

 

Power? There is always someone more powerful. There is no "pack leader". The corporate executive could have his face slammed on his car hood by a cop on his way home from work, so power alone is also subjective.

 

Physical stature? Lol, good luck. A guy who is 6'5 who tries to dominate other men based on his size will be put into the ground at a very young age when he inevitable screws with the wrong guy.

 

 

The whole "Alpha" concept for human males, I believe, was created both in part by misogynist men to try to equate women to mindless breeding machine and at the same time by women trying to justify why they date a-holes.

[kaylan]

Yet again...

 

What exactly makes an "Alpha Male" in human society?

 

Money? Fine, let them have the gold digging whores.

 

Power? There is always someone more powerful. There is no "pack leader". The corporate executive could have his face slammed on his car hood by a cop on his way home from work, so power alone is also subjective.

 

Physical stature? Lol, good luck. A guy who is 6'5 who tries to dominate other men based on his size will be put into the ground at a very young age when he inevitable screws with the wrong guy.

 

 

The whole "Alpha" concept for human males, I believe, was created both in part by misogynist men to try to equate women to mindless breeding machine and at the same time by women trying to justify why they date a-holes.

This ad infinitum.

 

Great post.

 

Everyone has a mind of their own, and we are all unique. Humans are more than just hormone driven wild animals. So can we please stop with the alpha crap for once? We are too complex a species for silly black and white close-minded terms.

[dreamingoftigers]

I do share kindness and generosity women in my social circle say what a gentleman and good guy iam but my good looking friend is the men women gravitate too

 

I belevie what u say about yourself but the majority of women these days make decisons based on their hormones

 

Do you want to start another thread.

 

I started responding and then realized I have a thesis paper here. I've t/Jed this one pretty badly.

[ls32ssibm]

You are wrong. What a surprise!

 

You are wrong for thinking that alpha is a fluid concept applied to different situations. There are different degrees of alpha. Personality traits makes someone an alpha but positions of power augment or reinforce it. The head of GE is alpha by degree of his position but in personality traits, he could be a beta. Barack Obama is a beta, but he is considered an alpha male because he is head of the United States. Even if he got arrested somehow, he would still be considered alpha. If you are going to say alpha is subjective on power, then you might as well call those people who shot up the Aurora movie theater and Newtown alphas. Those guys were betas (more like omegas) to the core. No friends, no sexual opportunities, respected by no one, social outcasts, literally bottom of the food chain. A beta can easily get an automatic weapon and spray a bunch of alphas. It still doesn't make him an alpha male. They don't call a gun "the great equalizer" for nothing.

 

Being a CEO of a Fortune 500 company has a higher correlation to being an alpha because alphas naturally are more ambitious. They want more out of life than the average man. They thrive on challenge and struggle. The average man would rather live a comfortable, mediocre existence and not put in the time to achieve anything. Money, power, and physical stature do not make someone "alpha". Personality traits make someone alpha. These personality traits have a higher correlation of achieving these things that are perceived as being associated with alpha males.

 

You sound like a white knight male apologist with your last paragraph. Of course women date *******s, if that wasn't the case, we wouldn't have "nice guys" complaining on sites such as these ad infinitum. A lot of people with alpha male personality traits are *******s because they can afford to be. They are so into themselves that they don't care what anyone thinks.

 

 

 

You are pretty long-winded considering how clueless you are. According to your diatribe, an Alpha-male is a Socrates/Adolf Hitler/Rockefeller like individual, but the frat boys (who generally are extremely social and get the most action during their active years) aren't Alpha.

 

How about you just start taking responsibility for whatever relationship failures you've endured, instead of trying to pass it off on mother nature screwing you over somehow.

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You calling me "long-winded" is shorthand for you conceding that my arguments are right. If you're calling me "long-winded" you might as well call Dreaming With Tigers long-winded. The concept of human hierarchy isn't a topic that you write one sentence on and be done with it. It's too complex for that. Sorry you can't keep up.

 

Oh, am I ever damn long-winded. I pity the fool who asks me for personal examples.

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Do you want to start another thread.

 

I started responding and then realized I have a thesis paper here. I've t/Jed this one pretty badly.

 

I dont care if its long id like to hear your response