MrCastle Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 What are "leagues?" 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Million.to.1 Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 What are "leagues?" Exactly. But it's a common term... and I see it thrown around on here sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites
Eternal Sunshine Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 What are "leagues?" I just checked how much you posted in the last 2 days. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
MrCastle Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 I just checked how much you posted in the last 2 days. That's what happens when I'm not getting love Link to post Share on other sites
Eternal Sunshine Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 That's what happens when I'm not getting love Aw poor baby 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 It's a rambling, boring article, not particularly convincingly written. I think there are such things as leagues because some have more options than others. Those with many options will consider the most desirables only as the person you are with is an indication of your social status. I think what is 'desirable' is largely defined by society but will be subjective too. If there weren't leagues you would see highly desirable women dating tramps. They don't. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SuperGeek Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 What are "leagues?" Do you really believe there are no leagues? Do you think you could easily win over Olivia Wilde if she was single? Leagues and status exist. Many people have a major problem with dating 'down' in modern society. Evidence of this is by observing the type of mate a person in a 'higher league' is hooking up with. Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
MrCastle Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Do you really believe there are no leagues? Do you think you could easily win over Olivia Wilde if she was single? How about an A-list Hollywood actress? No problem? Leagues and status exist. Many people have a major problem with dating 'down' in modern society. Evidence of this is by observing the type of mate a person in a 'higher league' is hooking up with. Thoughts? My thoughts are, I have had success with women who pose in magazines, and I'm not someone who's gonna be in magazines anytime soon. Not that I'm ugly. I'm average looking, but that's never stopped me. The reason this "leagues" business has not affected my dating life is because I don't believe in it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 My thoughts are, I have had success with women who pose in magazines, and I'm not someone who's gonna be in magazines anytime soon. Not that I'm ugly. I'm average looking, but that's never stopped me. The reason this "leagues" business has not affected my dating life is because I don't believe in it. I'm sure they were pretty but that's not necessarily indicative of anything. I dated a former male model. That doesn't mean that Brad Pitt would marry me Link to post Share on other sites
MrCastle Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 I'm sure they were pretty but that's not necessarily indicative of anything. I dated a former male model. That doesn't mean that Brad Pitt would marry me But what I mean is, when we discuss "leagues", what are we saying exactly? Looks are a part of it right? Objective looks? So is status? I'm an average looking college student with no career accomplishments to my name (yet) I'm also *gasp* short. A virtual death sentence on this site. This has not prevented me from getting women that could have their pick of the litter at any given time. One girl who showed interest in me last year, her ex was a professional baseball player. Surely someone who can date a professional baseball player can continue to date in similar circles of status/league? Why then go for me? Like I always say, when you got it, you got it. Intangibles, personality, charisma, charm, confidence, passion, will beat out looks and money every time. Every single time. If the person isn't shallow and/or a gold digger. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 But what I mean is, when we discuss "leagues", what are we saying exactly? Looks are a part of it right? Objective looks? So is status? I'm an average looking college student with no career accomplishments to my name (yet) I'm also *gasp* short. A virtual death sentence on this site. This has not prevented me from getting women that could have their pick of the litter at any given time. One girl who showed interest in me last year, her ex was a professional baseball player. Surely someone who can date a professional baseball player can continue to date in similar circles of status/league? Why then go for me? Like I always say, when you got it, you got it. Intangibles, personality, charisma, charm, confidence, passion, will beat out looks and money every time. Every single time. If the person isn't shallow and/or a gold digger. I've identified mine: a collection of commonly desirable traits, both physical and otherwise. To answer the bolded: sex. Once you are in a relationship with a highly desirable woman you might be able to claim it otherwise. Until then it's meaningless. What does 'showing interest' even mean? Link to post Share on other sites
MrCastle Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 (edited) I've identified mine: a collection of commonly desirable traits, both physical and otherwise. To answer the bolded: sex. Once you are in a relationship with a highly desirable woman you might be able to claim it otherwise. Until then it's meaningless. What does 'showing interest' even mean? Relationship meaning like exclusive? Like if I get a "highly desirable woman" to be my exclusive girlfriend, only then will I be able to say I can attract said highly desirable women? I think it's been well documented on this site I don't do LTR's. I don't care if you're Jessica Alba, I'm not ready to commit to one female. I have had success with these women you speak of, and usually they are the ones pushing for a relationship, but I decline. I don't see what difference it would make though whether I dated them seriously or not. The ability to attract them, get physical with them, date them short term, with the option to get serious if I agreed to it should be evidence enough that leagues don't exist since by definition, these women would be out of my league. As far as "showing interest" as it pertains to the specific example I used -- it means she was receptive to my advancements...but over time I saw sides of her I wasn't really down with, so I stopped my pursuit of her. I know some members have a formed opinion of me but believe it or not I'm not banging everything that moves. I have rejected my share of women regardless of their "league" just because they had personality flaws I couldn't look past. Edited June 18, 2013 by MrCastle Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Relationship meaning like exclusive? Like if I get a "highly desirable woman" to be my exclusive girlfriend, only then will I be able to say I can attract said highly desirable women? Correct. Until then they might be 'slumming it'. A common term I believe I think it's been well documented on this site I don't do LTR's. I don't care if you're Jessica Alba, I'm not ready to commit to one female. I very much doubt it would be your choice in that case, no disrespect I have had success with these women you speak of, and usually they are the ones pushing for a relationship, but I decline. I don't see what difference it would make though whether I dated them seriously or not. The ability to attract them, get physical with them, date them short term, with the option to get serious if I agreed to it should be evidence enough that leagues don't exist since by definition, these women would be out of my league. As far as "showing interest" as it pertains to the specific example I used -- it means she was receptive to my advancements...but over time I saw sides of her I wasn't really down with, so I stopped my pursuit. I think that getting a look in is not hard. Maintaining it however is. Link to post Share on other sites
MrCastle Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Correct. Until then they might be 'slumming it'. A common term I believe. I think that getting a look in is not hard. Maintaining it however is. I disagree. Because as I stated, they are usually the ones looking for more and I'm the one that says, "sorry, I don't think so." But like I've often said, there is no universal reality. There are only individual realities. In my reality, there are no leagues. I couldn't tell you if it is the belief that came first, or the evidence, but either way, for as far back as I can remember, I always laughed at this notion of leagues, and have gotten women that many would, just by looking at them, deem out of my league. Link to post Share on other sites
Million.to.1 Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Did you read the article Mr Castle? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 I disagree. Because as I stated, they are usually the ones looking for more and I'm the one that says, "sorry, I don't think so." But like I've often said, there is no universal reality. There are only individual realities. In my reality, there are no leagues. I couldn't tell you if it is the belief that came first, or the evidence, but either way, for as far back as I can remember, I always laughed at this notion of leagues, and have gotten women that many would, just by looking at them, deem out of my league. It is very different on a purely sexual level. Same for men and women. Link to post Share on other sites
MrCastle Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Did you read the article Mr Castle? Just skimmed through it. Agreed. Like I said. There are no leagues. There are just too many variables at play here. First, by the mere definition of league, we are assuming it is a universal principle where every single woman wants X in a man and every man wants X in a woman. But as we should all know by now, individuals are attracted to and value different things. I will say maybe this is more real life than OLD. Maybe OLD has a caste system. I'd be willing to budge on that. But in real life, no way. I can't be the only one who has seen completely mismatched (yet happy) couples in my everyday life. You like who you like. Again, I am of the school of thought that attraction is not a choice. You can choose to believe in leagues and believe that you are in a certain one, unable to move up or date outside of it, or you can believe there are no leagues and you are free to go after whoever you find attractive, regardless of looks, status, income, etc. I prefer the latter. Link to post Share on other sites
sillyanswer Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 What are "leagues?" An artificial construct that hold back those who believe in them? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Southern Cal Dude Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Leagues do exist. Most couples are similar in attractiveness. You'll find exceptions every now and then, but on a 10 grade scale, I would estimate that at least 3/4 are within 1 number of each other and 90% within 2. You're almost certainly not going to see a male model with an average looking and/or overweight woman, just as you're not going to see a female model with an average looking guy(unless he's rich). Rich people usually get with rich people, average with average, poor with poor. Attractive people with attractive people, ugly with ugly. Go out and check it out, you'll see this is usually the case. Exceptions are not the rule. Link to post Share on other sites
sillyanswer Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 People say if you're struggling with the opposite sex you should go for people in your physical attraction level/league as if its an easy or exact science. People say the funniest things. Just go for people you're attracted to. All of them. Hopefully one of them will be attracted to you. Meanwhile, take steps to make yourself more attractive (and I don't just mean physically). Link to post Share on other sites
BradJacobs Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 So if an ugly man has confidence, overrates his own appearance and sees himself as a 10, than he will attract beautiful women ? Even if he is short, fat, and has a huge hook nose ? I had a friend that was over 400 pounds who used to believe this. It never worked but he was convinced that his sense of humor, him being a stand-up guy and his great career would make him appear like a 10 in the eyes of most women. The ironic is that he loathed fat women even though he was morbidly obese himself. So he chased after the 9s and 10s who had rocking bodies and model-like looks only to be friend zoned over and over if not flat out denied. After 14 years of being alone (without a single date), bitter and frustrated he finally broke down and nabbed himself a fatty. Link to post Share on other sites
BeyondtheClouds Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I agree with concepts like social capital. This would be the way to explain why average or even less than average looking people are able to score with those whom we call 10s. One thing I noticed in high school and at university is that people can up their stock, so to speak, by moving in the right social circles. I was surprised on a couple of occasions on how some average looking girls scored a Prom date with a hot guy. But then they were going in a group and things happen that way. My advice to people who want to raise their game is to develop two or more interests that get you out with other people; cultivate friendships and social circles and through that you will meet suitable people to date who will see you at your best. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Southern Cal Dude Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 One thing I've noticed is people do not respond positively to people they find unattractive at first glance. If they respond positively, they're in your league. You can though, boost your attractiveness and league through money, popularity, or some other form of status. Link to post Share on other sites
Pompeii Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I believe that "leagues" exists as a concept but it's not as cut and dry as a number rating. One girl that I believe to be a 10 can easily be a 6 in another man's world and visa-versa. It comes up all the time among my friends and I. Still, there are many traits that could be considered universally attractive and something that most people can arrive on a consensus on. Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I've found out over the last few years that intellectually it's quite high. Pretty frikken pleased about that Link to post Share on other sites
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