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I just decide that I am in any league I want to be..

 

Yes, I know I cannot get all the same types of men that a super model can..

 

I know I cannot get the same types of men that a braniac/super academic girl can...

 

But.... I pretty much walk outside and I really like the clothes I wear and the way I present myself to the world.

 

I never fail to attract men who I like....

 

Does it matter that "some" men don't want me, when there are plenty that do?

 

....I put leagues down to an obvious observation: the vert best and the very worst looking people will be more, or less, limited.

 

...Leagues are too broad to get any more specific about them!!!!!

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I'm shallow? That's news.

 

No, I've seen all types of women go for the guys who score with lots of women.

 

The general trend I see is that women want guys that other women want.

 

 

 

It is a trend, but there are a fair few exceptions:)

 

I have gone for both sought after men, and men who are great but under appreciated:)

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Are you trying to tell me what I know and what I don't know?

 

Know im saying stop speaking in generalities, because it makes you look dimwitted. It would be better to say that on my small college campus it seems all the women are going after a handful of guys.

 

5000 students, are you going to a small art school or something my high school was almost that big.

 

The guys who get girls get more girls. It's like a whirlpool effect. And guess what, surprise, surprise, these guys started getting laid in high school.

 

And what do they have that you don't? I'm betting it's more than just looks.

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If I'm stupid, then why do my friends who go to larger state schools report the same things? Girls going after the same guys?

 

Well, I've got over a decade on you in age, and have had a lot of time to reflect on what worked for me in college and what didn't. I never really focused on getting laid, that just kind of happened, and I turned down as much as I excepted. I'm sure my freinds thought i was raking women in, but i wasn't.

 

What I've realized, is that most of the guys around me in college, had nothing special about them that made them stand out. They all looked the same, acted the same, said they same crap, in short they where boring as far as most women where concerned.

 

what worked for me then is still what draws women to me now. it doesn't matter if its as a gf or as a friend. Hell, it's what draws male friends to me as well.

 

1. I had some style then, I have a lot now. Just the other day i female friend was like "you're so metro"

2. I don't care what others think about me 90% of the time

3. I'm provocative, I speak my mind

4. I'm not afraid to show or talk about my feelings

5. my demeanor has a tendency to intimidate people

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"Dying to have a girlfriend" doesn't mean you aren't still a horrible person. I'm not talking about you personally. Hitler had a girlfriend.

 

AFAIK Hitler was rather affectionate with his girlfriend. He also greatly loved his dog.

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I'm shallow? That's news.

 

No, I've seen all types of women go for the guys who score with lots of women.

 

The general trend I see is that women want guys that other women want.

 

Perhaps the guys are charming, sexy, entertaining, good looking? Lot's of women go for that.

 

Have you ever noticed that there are also certain girls who get a tremendous amount of male attention and outshine all the others around them wherever they go?

 

It's no mystery.

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The point is people try to psycho analyze struggling men and say how its because of body language attitude lack of confidence whatever but in reality its probably as simple as the women they are approaching are not physically attracted to them

It could be or it could be a combination of a lot of things.

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You can also judge you league by the success you've had with the opposite sex.

 

Based on mine, I'm a 2. Three at the most. I would tend to agree with that based on past experience.

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I guess the point I'm always trying to make is...

 

So you somehow determine your league. Great. Congrats!

 

Now what? You're a 7. Awesome. What do you do with this newfound revelation?

 

Only talk to other women who you consider a 7? What if that girl you think is a 10 also thinks you're a 10? Well...too bad...you'll never find out because you think she's out of your league.

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I guess the point I'm always trying to make is...

 

So you somehow determine your league. Great. Congrats!

 

Now what? You're a 7. Awesome. What do you do with this newfound revelation?

 

Only talk to other women who you consider a 7? What if that girl you think is a 10 also thinks you're a 10? Well...too bad...you'll never find out because you think she's out of your league.

 

Yeah i never got people who want to box everyone or themselves in to what they think their "league" is..Of course theyres gorgeous people and some unfortunate looking people and chances theyd ever mate without money or fame involved is slim to none.

 

But most people walking around are not models nor hideous..most are average or a little above or below..i rarely see a beauty and the beast thing where two people dont even belong in the same room.

 

Plus theyres been women attracted to me who i thought were much better looking then me and women i wasnt attracted to at all who also thought i was unattratcive so sometimes theyres no rhyme or reason to attraction its not as simple as all 7's are attracted to other 7's so go after them and theyll automatically be attracted back to you

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My friend, the "league" you're in is not necessarily determined by your physical attributes. The one who dominates the social environment gets most of the attention from women. Women like nothing better than a very confident man with GSOH and financially independent. There is this girl at work, gorgeous, dresses like in magazines (every day a different expensive outfit -- and they don't start repeating very often), drives a brand new BMW, etc. You would think that a woman like this

would need a Brad Pitt or something similar. Well, think again. Her current boyfriend is an average guy as far as looks are concerned, but an extremely confident bugger. These are the guys most women go for. The super-confident ones!

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Girls do not date "down".

 

Really ? they certainly do.. and marry down as well... I married up... most men I know married up....

 

I guess what that means is that a number system to match people together doesn't work...

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Her current boyfriend is an average guy as far as looks are concerned

 

 

Exactly. Those of us who are below average in looks but have money are still pretty screwed unless we want to be a sugar daddy.

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Seriously, why do these kinds of threads keep popping up?

 

Can you guys LITERALLY stop doing that? We got at least 2-3 other threads covering the same damn topic for crying out loud.

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Found this on the forum in question:

 

People on loveshack aren't normal. They are going on the internet and asking for advice concerning their personal relationships. They aren't normal.
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Found this on the forum in question:

 

Why are they migrating over here, if we aren't normal? I have my own opinions where they're concerned - I just looked at the site - but I'll keep them to myself.

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Why are they migrating over here, if we aren't normal? I have my own opinions where they're concerned - I just looked at the site - but I'll keep them to myself.

To be annoying :laugh:.

 

The thing is, some of the things they say isn't completely BS (I've read that forum quite a bit when studying PUA), but it's fueled by such inadequacy and self-pitying garbage that it would be retarded to even take them remotely seriously.

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To be annoying :laugh:.

 

The thing is, some of the things they say isn't completely BS (I've read that forum quite a bit when studying PUA), but it's fueled by such inadequacy and self-pitying garbage that it would be retarded to even take them remotely seriously.

 

I try not to take them seriously, but when things mentioned here seem to parallel experiences off the boards, it's really disturbing. It's been like Douchebags on Parade in my life. And I didn't even date them.

 

By the way: congratulations on being on non-douchebag. ;) It's a shame most of them won't listen to guys like you.

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I try not to take them seriously, but when things mentioned here seem to parallel experiences off the boards, it's really disturbing. It's been like Douchebags on Parade in my life. And I didn't even date them.

 

By the way: congratulations on being on non-douchebag. ;) It's a shame most of them won't listen to guys like you.

I don't expect everyone to listen to me - just the ones who need to :laugh:.

 

I hear you though, try not to take it seriously. It's only the internet after all :D.

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I dont see this with women most of the time but I do alot with men. (However, Im not saying ALL men do this...but over half of the men I know only want to commit to a woman hotter than them)

 

Background: I live just outside of Washington DC and most men here expect a potential girlfriend to have a good career AND to be better looking than him. No, I am not a Type A personality (at least, outside of work Im not) but alot of people here are.

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I dont see this with women most of the time but I do alot with men. (However, Im not saying ALL men do this...but over half of the men I know only want to commit to a woman hotter than them)

Its women they deem worthy of committing to. Half of the men you know really doesn't mean all men do it. That is the thing you can't assume because a man won't commit to you that he is scared of commitment. Each man wants a different thing the same way each woman wants a different thing. The thing is after getting to know you something he saw something that made them not want to commit. It's like women deciding whether a man is friend material or relationship potential. Everyone get charged to the game. The thing is dealing with it and not becoming some bitter gender blaming individual

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Out of their league in what way Looks & Physique / Career & Education / Personality / Achievements & Ambition?

What age group are you talking about as well?

How do you know this, because they suddenly want to settle down with these 'out of their league' women or because they are staying single for long time and ignoring lots of single women? Are the women saying yes to them?

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Out of their league in what way Looks & Physique / Career & Education / Personality / Achievements & Ambition?

What age group are you talking about as well?

How do you know this, because they suddenly want to settle down with these 'out of their league' women or because they are staying single for long time and ignoring lots of single women? Are the women saying yes to them?

 

 

From my conversations with men, it seems looks and career are where they feel they are settling with looks being cited more than career (in DC, alot of people have good careers and are obsessed with them so it attracts alot of people like that) Its easier to find a girl with a decent career more than a girl who is hotter than them I guess. Yes, these men deemed these women werent worthy of commitment because their looks werent out of their league and they thought they could do better...I am asking why some men think this way? Within their own league isnt good enough?

 

I didnt say ALL men to the other poster.

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