veggirl Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 So some of ya seem to think that we should all just let ourselves look like s.hit and our partner should be cool with it? I don't know about that....I LIKE to look good for my man and he likes to look good for me. How I look is a reflection of everything else about me...if I look like a slob well, what image does that project? You know, make up doesn't necessarily mean dressed to the nines every day. I can put on tinted moisturizer, blush, eyeliner, and eyeshadow in 5 minutes. That small effort is worth it because I look pulled together and nice. I put forth the effort to look nice for my man, it's not work. He is the same way. Its awesome. Again, since LS is so damn psycho, this doesn't mean an evening gown every day :rolleyes: 1 Link to post Share on other sites
charlietheginger Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Just a thought the OP paperboy does he put effort Into his looks? Does paperboy have a flat stomach Or bloated bread belly? Does OP dress nice or like A slob?.... We dont know both sides of the story. " she don't get dressed up no more" Her side might be " why get dressed up to drink $1.00 draft beers from A plastic cup while his friends and him watch the superbowl and i sit there bored" "why dress up were just going to ponderosa for early Bird dinner" "why dress up ur just playing video games with some Guys eating pizza " 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ascendotum Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 So you want her to look hot so a hot guy will take her Away from you? No. You could say the same if she was to wear a really short skirt or leggings. I have no problem if other guys admire her or think 'you lucky dog how did you get her'. I would have the same issue if the woman was a natural beauty regardless of makeup. I would like to think I could trust my gf in the trade off where she makes herself prettier and getting noticed by others along with more appreciated by me. Its like saying don't buy an expensive sports car because jealous jerks out there will key it. Some will nod their head to that, but others wont. Link to post Share on other sites
BrokenPrincess Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 What about buying her a nice neutral flavored lip gloss? Lancomes Juicy Tubes have pretty neutral colors & yummy flavors & it's a cute gift not from the drugstore. Maybe a little gift pack? Then compliment how it looks (&tastes) on her and hopefully she'll keep wearing it & branch back out into makeup for the rest. Personally, I will not be seen without at least some mascara (I stash tubes everywhere) but my everyday for work & nights is a moderate amount of neutral makeup. However, my husband really has NO clue when I'm wearing everyday makeup or not. He doesn't care at all, even though I do. My previous bf actually preferred no makeup except lipgloss with my hair in a big high ponytail. I thought he was kidding at first but he seriously went crazy for the natural look. Once he told me a couple times how gorgeous I looked like that, I got the picture. And I was happy to adjust some of the time for how affectionate he would be when I looked "casual." Positive reinforcement! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I'm pretty sure that is not what he meant. I think he is saying that both sexes do these things to take pride in their own appearance, and it is not fair for one sex to expect the other to look a certain way while not maintaining their own appearance. Correct KFJ? The standards for up-kept appearance are different for men and women, and women are expected of more things than men. Hence my previous post. I dont think its fair for women to be expected to be dolled up a lot, especially when the male version of being dolled up takes a lot less time, money, and effort. Either way, I prefer natural beauty. Link to post Share on other sites
Keenly Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 The standards for up-kept appearance are different for men and women, and women are expected of more things than men. Hence my previous post. I dont think its fair for women to be expected to be dolled up a lot, especially when the male version of being dolled up takes a lot less time, money, and effort. Either way, I prefer natural beauty. So then why am I wrong for preferring the opposite? It sounds like YOU are the one with the problem in the comparison of men vs women's appearance upkeep. Just because you like one thing, does not make differing opinions wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Boo hoo hoo my girlfriend stopped wearing make up Im upset i cant take her around my friends im embarrassed To be seen in public with her boo hoo hoo. 10yrs later you will be whining this Boo hoo hoo my wife has wrinkles her boobs hang lower And her but isnt as firm . We had 2 kids and i expect Her to look exactly like she did at 23 now shes 33. She Don't love me she only shaves her legs 2 times a week Had i know she would let her self go i would not have Married her.... Oh the deception ... Good point. I have a feeling the girl I last dated had an ex who thought like this. Because all she ever did was apologize if she didnt wear makeup, or didnt shave her pubic region or legs, or if she thought he face looked broken out. I always told her she looked great and that Im not into all that high maintenance stuff...and that I want her to be herself and not feel like she always has to put on a show...but she still constantly felt self conscious about that stuff when around me. If I like a girl, I want to see her in her own naturalness. Ill take all the hair, her natural BO, no makeup, breakouts if she gets them, etc. I dont care. I just want her. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
KungFuJoe Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 The standards for up-kept appearance are different for men and women, and women are expected of more things than men. Hence my previous post. I dont think its fair for women to be expected to be dolled up a lot, especially when the male version of being dolled up takes a lot less time, money, and effort. Either way, I prefer natural beauty. Dude, you need to get off your high white horse. I don't think women need you speaking up for them about the harsh inequalities of primping for a night out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Well my daughter is on her first trio of gauge earrings and today some kid on the schoolbus whacked her in the head with his backpack by accident and it knocked one out which she did not realize until first period. So what I'm saying is that sometimes there's a reason for her not doing that. Link to post Share on other sites
Keenly Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Just a thought the OP paperboy does he put effort Into his looks? Does paperboy have a flat stomach Or bloated bread belly? Does OP dress nice or like A slob?.... We dont know both sides of the story. " she don't get dressed up no more" Her side might be " why get dressed up to drink $1.00 draft beers from A plastic cup while his friends and him watch the superbowl and i sit there bored" "why dress up were just going to ponderosa for early Bird dinner" "why dress up ur just playing video games with some Guys eating pizza " Because she cares about her appearance enough to WANT to look good for him. That's the point. You should WANT to impress your partner. She doesn't have to do it all the time, every time. But never doing it ? Unacceptable to me. It's the same thing as If I stopped shaving and stopped wearing cologne and deodorant. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 So what exactly are you trying to say? Women should NOT wear make up? Make up is EVIL? Are you going to stand outside Sephora and MAC with your picket sign? Im saying double standards are bull crap and that women in my life arent expected to wear it and that I prefer they dont. Get a grip sarcastic susie.The effort to maintain a six pack with dieting & supps & working out in the gym is so much greater than whats required to put on a bit of lipstick & eye shadow & some hoop earings. If this pleases her man, its not a lot of effort to do it every so often when they go out, than it is for him to bust a gut in the gym to please her. Some women don't like going to the trouble of makeup and I personally don't like it when its at the other end of the spectrum...ie it takes her an hour to paint her face before we go out, but I do appreciate it when she makes a bit of an effort to make herself more pretty when we go out. When women land hot guys I notice they make an extra effort (the same can be said of men to though when they get a girl they are really into). Makeup and physical fitness arent the same thing. Women can and do bust their butt in the gym too. At the end of the day, men arent wearing makeup. So the female beauty industry doesnt have a male counterpart. Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 OP, I think it's unreasonable to expect that she do that ALL the time you go out, yes. But not unreasonable to let her know that you'd find it nice if she does it sometimes. Usually positive encouragement works best in this case. Buy her a nice pair of earrings, and book both of you in for a night out that would give her the occasion to wear them. Maybe a play or a romantic dinner that people get all dressed up for. You get yourself a nice suit - not necessarily a tuxedo, but a good pair of shirts, slacks, and shoes. Let her know that you'll be wearing that. Most women will be happy to follow suit. The effort to maintain a six pack with dieting & supps & working out in the gym is so much greater than whats required to put on a bit of lipstick & eye shadow & some hoop earings. If this pleases her man, its not a lot of effort to do it every so often when they go out, than it is for him to bust a gut in the gym to please her. Some women don't like going to the trouble of makeup and I personally don't like it when its at the other end of the spectrum...ie it takes her an hour to paint her face before we go out, but I do appreciate it when she makes a bit of an effort to make herself more pretty when we go out. When women land hot guys I notice they make an extra effort (the same can be said of men to though when they get a girl they are really into). So... you're cool with a woman who doesn't work out and 'bust a gut in the gym' so long as she wears makeup? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 So some of ya seem to think that we should all just let ourselves look like s.hit and our partner should be cool with it? I don't know about that....I LIKE to look good for my man and he likes to look good for me. How I look is a reflection of everything else about me...if I look like a slob well, what image does that project? You know, make up doesn't necessarily mean dressed to the nines every day. I can put on tinted moisturizer, blush, eyeliner, and eyeshadow in 5 minutes. That small effort is worth it because I look pulled together and nice. I put forth the effort to look nice for my man, it's not work. He is the same way. Its awesome. Again, since LS is so damn psycho, this doesn't mean an evening gown every day :rolleyes: So if you dont wear makeup you look like crap? Im saying women can be and are sexy and beautiful without it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Keenly Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Im saying double standards are bull crap Good luck changing the entire human race buddy. Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) So then why am I wrong for preferring the opposite? It sounds like YOU are the one with the problem in the comparison of men vs women's appearance upkeep. Just because you like one thing, does not make differing opinions wrong. Quote here I said you were wrong for having your own opinion? Please. Just because I dont hold your position does not mean I feel you are wrong in your personal preference. I merely stated I prefer natural women and that society and guys like you are why double standards exist in our patriarchal society. Calm down. Dont get mad at facts.Dude, you need to get off your high white horse. I don't think women need you speaking up for them about the harsh inequalities of primping for a night out. White horse? Not even. Unlike you I notice these sociological things and will speak about them. Im an analytical fellow and I just dont coast through life not noticing these kinda things. Why so butt hurt because I speak some truth and state my own preference. Calm down and go somewhere else if you wanna try that lame "white knight" shaming crap. People have tried to call you a white knight before numerous times, so its funny how you try to pull that garbage yourself now.Good luck changing the entire human race buddy. Who said I was trying to? Im trying to converse and educate those who dont take notice of these things. Just because I cant change the world doesnt mean I cant have an opinion on some of the things wrong with it. Nice shaming tactic though. Edited January 23, 2013 by kaylan Link to post Share on other sites
KungFuJoe Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 So if you dont wear makeup you look like crap? Im saying women can be and are sexy and beautiful without it. And they can be sexy and beautiful WITH it. Link to post Share on other sites
Keenly Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Quote here I said you were wrong for having your own opinion? Please. Just because I dont hold your position does not mean I feel you are wrong in your personal preference. I merely stated I prefer natural women and that society and guys like you are why double standards exist in our patriarchal society. Calm down. Dont get mad at facts. Right. It's my fault there are double standards? How is that exactly? Where are you facts? Oh, there are none. I don't make the rules of society, I play by them. It's pretty asinine to state that I some how am responsible for any double standards, especially because I spend at least 4 hours a week simply maintaining my face and hair appearance. You speak of things to which you have no knowledge of, and you forget that a lot women out there treat make up like a hobby and not a chore. Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 And they can be sexy and beautiful WITH it. I never said they couldnt. So whats your point in being redundant? Link to post Share on other sites
KungFuJoe Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 kaylan is just making **** up. I mean, I understand that there are gender differences, but seriously...complaining about make up? I mean...really? I bet even women are shaking their heads at him. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Keenly Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Why does a woman even need to wear makeup? its bs from society and guys like you that teaches them they need that stuff. By the way, this is your quote telling all of us we are wrong for liking something that you don't. Link to post Share on other sites
Lillyfree Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Dude, you need to get off your high white horse. I don't think women need you speaking up for them about the harsh inequalities of primping for a night out. this. i have to have my hair done and i wear makeup every day for work. it can get tedious and i'll have to say i don't enjoy doing it much. on weekends, i don't wear a lot of makeup, if any - mascara, bit of blush and some lip-gloss. but if we go out, i will do my hair, i will do my makeup properly, and it takes me about 1/2 hour to 45 minutes. i do it for myself as well as for my husband. he's seen me sick, without makeup, tired - and he thinks i look good, even after 15 years of being together. but i know that he also appreciates my effort to get dolled up when we're going somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Right. It's my fault there are double standards? How is that exactly? You hold the same exact expectations of women society does in regards to makeup and other things...so how do you not play into the double standard? Where are you facts? Oh, there are none. How is it not a fact that our society is patriarchal? Anyone can see that. How is it not a fact that there are double standards for male and female beauty and grooming? Look at the media...tv, ads, commercials, magazines. Anyone will tell you women are judged more harshly and expected to keep a more up-kept appearance than men. These FACTS arent really arguable. Come on now. I don't make the rules of society, I play by them. It's pretty asinine to state that I some how am responsible for any double standards, especially because I spend at least 4 hours a week simply maintaining my face and hair appearance. You speak of things to which you have no knowledge of, and you forget that a lot women out there treat make up like a hobby and not a chore. You make up a small cog in society. So by playing directly into how society expects you to be based on your gender, or background, you are responsible for how things are. You perpetuate the same stuff. How can you not get that logic? And why is makeup a hobby for some women? Because they are groomed from a young age to feel that their facial looks are a super huge asset. Men arent conditioned the same way.... and why is that? Guess who controls society? Link to post Share on other sites
KungFuJoe Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 By the way, this is your quote telling all of us we are wrong for liking something that you don't. I'm surprised Obama didn't make any mention of this atrocity in his inauguration speech. Link to post Share on other sites
charlietheginger Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Females dolling up procedure Every two weeks Nails $20 Toe nails pedicure $20 Eye wax pluck $ 10 Lip wax $10 every month hair cut style $30\$50 bucks basic cut Dye highlites $50 to $100 bucks dep on hair lenght Let's now add maintenance items razors for legs Shampoo Conditioner Tampons Face cleaners Moisturizer Qtips Cottonballs Lets now add make up cost Foundation Concealer Blush Eye liner Eye pencils Lipstick Lip gloss Eye shadow Does she need a tan? lets add tanning bed cost..... Now lets "doll up in sexy clothes" Fancey panties bras Sexy fitted jeans Skirts dresses Shoes Shirts..... So here we have it yes the cost of being dolled up Everyday aint cheap... So my advice to the OP and everyguy thats wants A full time barbie doll... Every month reach in your Pocket and hand her $400 tell her i want you Pretty use my money for haircuts pedicures manicures And all the makeup accessories. That should takecare of the" she dont get dolled up no More" if you want her so dolled up OP pay for it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Keenly Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 this. i have to have my hair done and i wear makeup every day for work. it can get tedious and i'll have to say i don't enjoy doing it much. on weekends, i don't wear a lot of makeup, if any - mascara, bit of blush and some lip-gloss. but if we go out, i will do my hair, i will do my makeup properly, and it takes me about 1/2 hour to 45 minutes. i do it for myself as well as for my husband. he's seen me sick, without makeup, tired - and he thinks i look good, even after 15 years of being together. but i know that he also appreciates my effort to get dolled up when we're going somewhere. WHHHAAAAT!?!?!? But the double standard!?!?! /sarcasm Charlie... Its not a money issue, its a "Pride in yourself" Issue Link to post Share on other sites
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