Power Girl Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I mean as in a women's love is conditional towards her husband or father. Why is it I see billions go into breasts cancer yet nothing for prostate cancer? I see tons of guys supporting feminism yet again women seem to not care about men's issues. Honestly any interactions I have with women make me feel like I'm being used as a tool. If I can't work correctly I always get that sense that women are devaluing my status. Do you guys think women are naturally programmed to only care about the 20% top males of any given group? The rest of us are beta-male tools to be used so it doesn't matter if we die or have issues. I pretty much accept that the media will never care about men. 1
Alma Mobley Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Love is only unconditional between a parent and child, if you ask me. I love my husband, but if he cheated on me I'd be gone, and vice versa! That is not unconditional love, obviously. I don't get the top 20% of men thing, so I won't comment.
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I mean as in a women's love is conditional towards her husband or father. Why is it I see billions go into breasts cancer yet nothing for prostate cancer? What does breast and prostate cancer have to do with women having conditional love for their husband or father? Cancer: Yes, breast cancer has received much greater funding than prostate cancer. About twice as much. Unbalanced, but hardly "nothing" for prostate cancer. Breast cancer kills approximately 130 women to 100 men killed by prostate cancer. Women's groups have rallied aggressively for all the funding and attention breast cancer has received in recent years. If you feel strongly about this, why not organize and become an advocate for curing prostate cancer? Also, what about all the other kinds of cancer? Why pick on these two that are gender linked? Regarding conditional love for husbands and fathers … well, I believe most love is conditional, excluding that of a parent for a child (ideally) and that it has nothing to do with gender. Do you think that men tend to love their wives unconditionally? I see tons of guys supporting feminism yet again women seem to not care about men's issues. What are you considering to be "mens issues" that you'd like to see women supporting? Personally, I support equal treatment under the laws and in society for any gender. Do you guys think women are naturally programmed to only care about the 20% top males of any given group? The rest of us are beta-male tools to be used so it doesn't matter if we die or have issues. I pretty much accept that the media will never care about men. Now you've completely lost me. There is a massive amount of media that is aimed directly at men. And exactly how are you "used"? You know … it seems that you are headed down a dreary path to nowhere with this line of thinking. If you care about something, get out there and work on it. 2
Keenly Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Love is only unconditional between a parent and child, if you ask me. I love my husband, but if he cheated on me I'd be gone, and vice versa! That is not unconditional love, obviously. I don't get the top 20% of men thing, so I won't comment. are you listening to same morning show I am? direct quote.
monicaelise Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I mean as in a women's love is conditional towards her husband or father. Why is it I see billions go into breasts cancer yet nothing for prostate cancer? I see tons of guys supporting feminism yet again women seem to not care about men's issues. Honestly any interactions I have with women make me feel like I'm being used as a tool. If I can't work correctly I always get that sense that women are devaluing my status. Do you guys think women are naturally programmed to only care about the 20% top males of any given group? The rest of us are beta-male tools to be used so it doesn't matter if we die or have issues. I pretty much accept that the media will never care about men. Why in bloody hell would any woman love her father or her husband "unconditionally"? The former she didn't choose and the latter she chose under certain conditions. The only male or female a woman owes her unconditional love to is her son or daughter. As to your goofy reference to cancer...when my mother had breast cancer, my father sorta helped out when he kinda could and didn't really have anything else going on. When my father had prostate cancer, my mother waited on him hand and foot. With my breast cancer, my female friends and son have been the biggest sources of support. When my aunt had breast cancer, my mother and a nurse looked after her. When my grandmother had ovarian cancer, my mother and her sister looked after her. When my other aunt had breast cancer, my mother and her sister took care of her. Notice a trend OP? Maybe you should think before you type. Women have no reason to love men who aren't their children unconditionally. If men want love and support, they should learn to rely on each other the same way women rely on one another. 3
crude Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Of course men love women more than women love men. When a man and a woman are walking along the sidewalk, the man walks near the road to use his body as a human shield to protect the woman. When he sees some dangerous looking men on the other side, he switches postion to protect her from knives etc. In a movie theater, men are prepared to hurl their bodies on top of women to be human shields and absorb bullets. Women are oblivious to any of this. They only want to be courted and treated like princesses and wined and dined with no responsibilities or feelings for the men in their lives. It's all about her.
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Of course men love women more than women love men. When a man and a woman are walking along the sidewalk, the man walks near the road to use his body as a human shield to protect the woman. When he sees some dangerous looking men on the other side, he switches postion to protect her from knives etc. In a movie theater, men are prepared to hurl their bodies on top of women to be human shields and absorb bullets. Women are oblivious to any of this. They only want to be courted and treated like princesses and wined and dined with no responsibilities or feelings for the men in their lives. It's all about her. Oh, come now. If you prefer to have your date walk near the road rather than you, that's fine. If danger happens and you want to use a nearby woman as a "human shield," go for it. Do what you want and don't whine about it, please. As far as what women are oblivious to, or what we "only" want, you obviously don't have a clue. Some day, you should try getting to know some women without the taint of your preconceived notions getting in your way.
Jane2011 Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 lol, I wouldn't say that "so many guys support feminism." I'm the organizer of a feminist reading/discussion group in my city. We have three male members and sixty two female members. I want male members, but only three males give a sh*t. Also, I'm a teacher at a community college and any time feminism comes up, all the males get all crazy and uncomfortable. Even the nicest male students are like "We have to make more money because we provide for the family!" Not long ago, I had a student who, in reaction to an article about females and rape, said, "Look, women are gonna get raped. It's just the way it is. No one's ever gonna change it, so people should just shut up about it." No kidding. (My male students are very scary people).
MsSmurf Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I mean as in a women's love is conditional towards her husband or father. Why is it I see billions go into breasts cancer yet nothing for prostate cancer? I see tons of guys supporting feminism yet again women seem to not care about men's issues. Honestly any interactions I have with women make me feel like I'm being used as a tool. If I can't work correctly I always get that sense that women are devaluing my status. Do you guys think women are naturally programmed to only care about the 20% top males of any given group? The rest of us are beta-male tools to be used so it doesn't matter if we die or have issues. I pretty much accept that the media will never care about men. A lot of the treatments that are being used for prostate cancer (and many other cancers) exist because of the research done on breast cancer, so both genders benefit from breast cancer research. Also, men get breast cancer too. Years ago I had a friend who had prostate cancer and the doctors were always explaining to him that the medications they were prescribing wouldn't have been an option if it hadn't been for all of the advances in breast cancer treatment. My guess is the same would be true if the situation was reversed and prostate cancer was researched slightly more.
Art_Critic Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Why is it I see billions go into breasts cancer yet nothing for prostate cancer? Cancer Research Funding - National Cancer Institute More was spent on prostate cancer than lung cancer, and about half of what is spent on breast cancer.
monicaelise Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Part of the disparity in the funding has to do with the demographics of who's affected. 1 in 68 women 40 or under will be diagnosed with breast cancer, only 1 in 10,000 men under 40 will be diagnosed with prostate cancer. Prostate cancer generally doesn't hit men until much later in life so there hasn't been quite as much pressure to nip it in the bud. Mothers can't be dying with small children, people get bent about that sort of thing. We're sorta obligated to stick around.
Woggle Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 lol, I wouldn't say that "so many guys support feminism." I'm the organizer of a feminist reading/discussion group in my city. We have three male members and sixty two female members. I want male members, but only three males give a sh*t. Also, I'm a teacher at a community college and any time feminism comes up, all the males get all crazy and uncomfortable. Even the nicest male students are like "We have to make more money because we provide for the family!" Not long ago, I had a student who, in reaction to an article about females and rape, said, "Look, women are gonna get raped. It's just the way it is. No one's ever gonna change it, so people should just shut up about it." No kidding. (My male students are very scary people). To be fair many men who otherwise support equality tend to believe that feminism is about man hating so they tend to stay away. I am not a sexist but now way would I be involved with a feminist reading where at least some women there would give me a hostile reaction just for being male. What self respecting person wants to subject themselves to that? I am not saying all feminists are man haters but the ones who are sure do ruin the image.
Feelin Frisky Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I usually don't entertain gross generalities like that. If you really understand how commercialism underpins broadcast, print and much Internet fare you will see that the technique called sensationalism is deployed in every medium to try to create a buzz for a demographic to sell their magazine or TV show or web site which in turn sells consumer products. This to me is a hideous problem I'm like to see supplanted with a model in which the value of content is totally centered on the consumer where the consumer pays for it, rather than comprised to provide value to the advertiser where the consumer doesn't pay or pays less. Women, being traditionally marginalized in a male dominated world, are deemed to be more gossipy and shallow by and large and thus lots of content is made to sell cheap tabloid scandal sheets to them often with alarmist stories about breast cancer. The staff--being ratings and money-centric, will deem prostate cancer as something for another publication for the male demographic. They are not in the business of truth and education, they are in the buzz and sales business.
Woggle Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Don't generalize all women. I do know relationships where the woman seems to not care at all about the man's well being aside from what he can provide for her but I also know women who are true friends to the men in their lives. Just leave the former alone because they are easy to spot.
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