Moose Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Biblical Prophecy has been a fascination of mine for a very long time. A lot of what's going on in today's world is a direct reflection of what's been predicted in Revelations and Daniel. I'm going to a Prophecy conference this weekend to learn more....but for now, I'd like to get your thoughts on prophecy, particularly biblical prophecy. One example that I'll go ahead and bring up is the Roman Catholic Church.....in revelations it speaks of a ruler of roman decent who will rise and be the great deciever.....with the Pope reaching the end of his days, a popular magazine seems to think that his successor will be this deciever. Roman Catholics are widely known as the voice of God, to some, the Pope is the ruler of the world, above all. Although he's not recgonized as being such, it's what some believe. This new Pope will be head of the Roman Catholic Church and is described as the Church, or woman, who sits upon a, "beast" with 10 horns,(Representing the ruler of the 10 nations), and is to be the one who decieves the world........ What are your thoughts on this? Link to post Share on other sites
HokeyReligions Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 I think all prophecy can be twisted to fit any event going on in the world. I think that there exists in some people a mental anomaly or capacity or something that we just have not discovered yet about how the human mind works, that perhaps is no longer dormant in these people and causes visions of the future for some. Many don't understand it, many are deemed to be mentally ill, many ignore it, some become prophets and their personal charisma attributes to their being leaders or to their prophecies being written down and studied and followed, such as in religious text. I don't believe that phrophecy is any way divine, nor can it be understood or charted by any conventional method. This is my best guess based on what I have read and what I do understand about human development and evolution (I'm talking about the overall progress of mankind since we began to record our own history--not darwin's theory) I believe that man created god, not the other way around and all things that are attributed to the various gods and forms of worship, are simply parts of ourselves that we do not yet understand. The stars in the sky are not the campfires of our ancestors. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 I think it's flat-out wrong, just like trying to guess when the world is going to end or when Jesus is gonna return. People are trying to figure out God's mind, and it's impossible because our understanding of him and what he does is very very limited and human "interpretations" are faulty at best. oh moose ... please don't tell me that you support Catholic-bashing after everything we've discussed in other posts! because I feel that's what those examples you've listed amount to, the bashing of a group of people by those who refuse to take the time to look at the differences and see that we are united by our common Christian faith much much more than we are separated by the things that make us different. It also pisses me off that some Catholics profess that we are the only ones who are going to inherit Heaven because we are the one true church, because that negates the whole purpose of why Jesus -- the guy we say we believe in -- did what he did for mankind. It makes a lie out of "Jesus/God is love." I've heard so many versions of the Devil running amok in the Vatican and that the next Pope will be the Anti-Christ that it troubles me that true Christians believe that crap. The Devil doesn't have very far to go when he's looking for a place to wreak havoc -- he does it in the hearts of one man at a time, by spreading falsehoods that divide people, rather than unite them as God does. but that's just the simple belief of an unworthy person like me ... Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted August 25, 2004 Author Share Posted August 25, 2004 No way am I bashing anyone!!! I love all men....and women.....all races, all religions....I just find prophecy fascinating and how it fits so well between bible and today's world. I just wanted to see how many of you share the same fascination. Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Moose, the next pope is not supposed to BE the Antichrist, but he's supposed to be the last pope before the Antichrist - if you believe Nostradamus. I agree with Hokey - people twist the words of the prophets the way they do the Bible - to suit their own ends. And they manage to convince people not sufficiently educated to figure out how they're being duped. I think this pseudo 'prophecy' stuff is just a relgious version of psychics. There may be some prophets from time to time, just as there may be some psychics - but they are few and far between. Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 What are your thoughts on this? Retrospective coincidences. Link to post Share on other sites
faux Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I believe that people have fanciful notions, and that people will insist on applying these notions to every aspect of life. Those who are religious advocates will find it useful to misconstrue what is written in their holy books, and interpret these texts in such a way as to suggest their way of life guides our world. I suppose it makes them feel that their faith is more justified, and that their beliefs are tangible. Nostradamus' work has been juxtaposed so much as to make his predictions "true", when in fact he was quite far off the mark in nearly every instance. On occasion he got lucky with his wording, but fanatics will analyze one of his passages, and find every way to make it apply to an event he supposedly predicted. This is not my idea of prophecy. To me, a prophecy is a vision depicted in precise detail of a future event. A prophecy that comes true should not have to be interpreted in any way, as I feel it would be specific enough so as to be undeniable. I believe that a valid prophecy would be written lucidly and specifically, so that all who read it would not question that such words were anything else. I feel the world would agree in unison over a true prophecy. The predictions I am accustomed to are highly debatable, and I believe any solid portent would leave us all without any doubt in our minds. Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I also believe a prophecy is only useful if it's predicting something that hasn't happened yet. Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I prophecize that I am now going downstairs for a cup of coffee. Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Ahhhh. God is in this here cup o' Joe. Heavenly! Link to post Share on other sites
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