Do involuntary celibate men become violent or suicidal

[Sun Devil]

I noticed that the past mass shootings all were commited by men who had no girlfriends. I also have been told that single pwople have a higher suicide rate. I am not sure if it is true, but does anyone have data

[somedude81]

It's not quite a cause and effect to say that being involuntarily celibate leads to mass shootings.

 

Though I can say that being involuntarily celibate can cause mental and psychological trauma.

[FitChick]

Monks are very peaceful and don't go around killing people.

[Sun Devil]

Monks chose to be celibate. The people who caused mass shootings did not. I dont know if being crazy caused them to be incel as well as homicidal, or that being incel casued them to be crazy

[Yamcha]

Do I have to point out that there have been women that have reported being in love with the soulless Holmes? I wonder if they would be singing the same tune if he took out their kneecaps in the theater. Probably not.

 

Nonetheless, decent people have more sense than that. Let's put the blame where it belongs, eh?

[JuneJulySeptember]

It's not common, but its' happened.

 

 

Usually, they just become isolated, lonely creatures and develop nerdy hobbies, like astronomy. I know a few guys in their 50s like that.

[somedude81]

It's not common, but its' happened.

 

 

Usually, they just become isolated, lonely creatures and develop nerdy hobbies, like astronomy. I know a few guys in their 50s like that.

I'd hate to be in my current situation and in my 50's.

 

I really don't think I'd make it that far if nothing changes for me.

[JuneJulySeptember]

I'd hate to be in my current situation and in my 50's.

 

I really don't think I'd make it that far if nothing changes for me.

 

It's a VERY REAL situation.

 

So, either play the game and the odds and put in the work now, or risk being miserable and deranged later.

[fortyninethousand322]

I think involuntarily celibate men get progressively weirder the longer they stay involuntarily celibate. Part of that is because your friends and extended social group start to treat you weird: you're the only single guy in the group and you're not getting laid either, so they can't hit the bars with you or invite you to couples game night at their house. Your workplace will probably give you the worst hours since they figure you can work nights, weekends, holidays, etc. since you have nobody to go home to. All of that stuff I'm sure weighs on somebody's psyche.

 

So yeah, you'd probably be best served fixing your problem before it gets out of hand...

[Sun Devil]

I dont know why George Sodini had problems with women, but I heard that he had mental issues way before the shooting happened, which would explain why he did not get any girls

[Esoteric Elf]

A history professor I know summed it up when he said, "throughout history we have seen that young men who do not get sexual gratification tend to violence". I had never thought of it in such simple terms.

 

One of the conumdrums of psychology is the diagnoses of mental disorders. It would seem that anything deviant from a daily routine is starting to be questioned as illness, and I only hope the DSM V does not take more steps in that direction than the DSM IV. Most of the recent shooters I doubt were deranged anymore than a "normal" person, though I certainly could be wrong. I have often expressed the interest to sit down with the recent shooters and see if I can get to the crux of why they did what they did. Often actions such as those have multiple reasons, and I have little doubt that lack of women in their lives is not at least part of the reason.

[Emilia]

I noticed that the past mass shootings all were commited by men who had no girlfriends. I also have been told that single pwople have a higher suicide rate. I am not sure if it is true, but does anyone have data

 

They had no girlfriends because they were mentally ill, they didn't become mentally ill because they had no girlfriends.

[Emilia]

A history professor I know summed it up when he said, "throughout history we have seen that young men who do not get sexual gratification tend to violence". I had never thought of it in such simple terms.

 

Correct. Islamic countries are one example: men having several wives leave other men womanless as they don't have other means of meeting women (culturally don't date, don't have girlfriends, etc). Hence the more combative culture. Far less to lose if you can't have a family/wife/woman.

[fortyninethousand322]

Correct. Islamic countries are one example: men having several wives leave other men womanless as they don't have other means of meeting women (culturally don't date, don't have girlfriends, etc). Hence the more combative culture. Far less to lose if you can't have a family/wife/woman.

 

Historically that was never a problem in Islamic societies. Enough men were killed in war or through manual labor, etc. compared to today. Without polygamy, many women would have been single forever. And, I might add, without a means of support.

[ChessPieceFace]

They had no girlfriends because they were mentally ill, they didn't become mentally ill because they had no girlfriends.

 

And you know this because you're a psychologist? Sounds more like you refuse to let anyone dare imply that the nature of your gender could possibly be to blame.

 

Female mate selection is easily one of the top 4 factors holding back the human race. Alongside that I'd list low inherent intelligence, high inherent selfishness/corruptibility and insufficient lifespan to accumulate wisdom.

 

In fact, as a lifelong single man in his 30's I can safely say both factors contribute. I'm single because I'm "different", and I'm "different" because I'm single. And of COURSE being denied love and companionship for decades on end will make someone angry and bitter. And it should. The world isn't fair, and being treated unfairly for decades can lead to a few people committing murder. This surprises you? It doesn't surprise me.

 

The only thing I don't understand about mass shootings is why they target apparent innocents. Maybe once you finally snap, your conscience turns off and you stop giving a !%$@ who you punish.

Edited January 28, 2013 by ChessPieceFace

[crude]

Do I have to point out that there have been women that have reported being in love with the soulless Holmes? I wonder if they would be singing the same tune if he took out their kneecaps in the theater. Probably not.

 

 

 

That could never happen, because their idiot boyfriends would be firmly on top of them as human shields.

[aed]

And you know this because you're a psychologist? Sounds more like you refuse to let anyone dare imply that the nature of your gender could possibly be to blame.

 

Female mate selection is easily one of the top 4 factors holding back the human race. Alongside that I'd list low inherent intelligence, high inherent selfishness/corruptibility and insufficient lifespan to accumulate wisdom.

 

In fact, as a lifelong single man in his 30's I can safely say both factors contribute. I'm single because I'm "different", and I'm "different" because I'm single. And of COURSE being denied love and companionship for decades on end will make someone angry and bitter. And it should. The world isn't fair, and being treated unfairly for decades can lead to a few people committing murder. This surprises you? It doesn't surprise me.

 

The only thing I don't understand about mass shootings is why they target apparent innocents. Maybe once you finally snap, your conscience turns off and you stop giving a !%$@ who you punish.

 

 

If your claim has any scientific proof. The world would be awesome, because: Men will need to have sex (not wanting) but needing it like we need breathing, clean water etc. So governments don't have to ban guns, worry about rape-crimes etc, Just make sure hookers are for free OR make a law that forbids or take's away a women's right to say "no" to (casual) sex !

 

 

Offcourse those men didn't have a girlfriend because they are mentally ill! They lived isolated, and didn't have any healthy people in their real lifes they shared their bizare philosophies with, and didn't have friends that said: Ehh, maybe what you are planning to do is not so smart!

[ChessPieceFace]

If your claim has any scientific proof. The world would be awesome, because: Men will need to have sex (not wanting) but needing it like we need breathing, clean water etc. So governments don't have to ban guns, worry about rape-crimes etc, Just make sure hookers are for free OR make a law that forbids or take's away a women's right to say "no" to (casual) sex !

 

Utter nonsense.

 

Offcourse those men didn't have a girlfriend because they are mentally ill!

 

And you are in the mental health field? Did you interview them personally? Did you study the histories of their lives? Then doctor aed, what's the basis of your diagnosis "mental illness" other than their final act? None.

 

They lived isolated, and didn't have any healthy people in their real lifes they shared their bizare philosophies with, and didn't have friends that said: Ehh, maybe what you are planning to do is not so smart!

 

You know nothing about anyone in their lives. You know nothing about them other than "they shot some people" and the rest you made up to "justify" conclusions with zero evidence.

 

It doesn't take a bizarre philosophy to lead someone eventually to murder. Unless you consider "the world is an unfair place" to be a bizarre philosophy. I'd say the OPPOSITE would be a bizarre philosophy. Also, everyone is mentally ill.

 

When someone does something that offends you, it's always easier to dismiss them as "crazy" than trying to understand them. That's the mentality that allows these things to keep happening. But I guess it's more important to lie to yourself and pretend you're morally and ethically superior, while you're living your comfortable life where you feel fulfilled and satisfied, that if everything you hold dear was taken away you'd still be incapable of such things.

Edited January 28, 2013 by ChessPieceFace

[KathyM]

Then according to that Charles Manson wouldn't have been able to start a cult in which he could get as much pussy as he wanted.

Charles Manson would prove the point that it's not lack of sex that caused anti-social behavior, since he got plenty of that. It's anti-social attitudes (i.e., lack of remorse, reckless disregard for the safety of others, aggressiveness, deceitfulness, disregard for laws, etc.) that caused the crimes he committed.

[ChessPieceFace]

Charles Manson would prove the point that it's not lack of sex that caused anti-social behavior, since he got plenty of that. It's anti-social attitudes (i.e., lack of remorse, reckless disregard for the safety of others, aggressiveness, deceitfulness, disregard for laws, etc.) that caused the crimes he committed.

 

So since one lunatic got a lot of followers, that means that the crippling loneliness of being alone one's whole life could never lead anyone to do anything drastic. Makes perfect sense. Oh wait no.

[KathyM]

So since one lunatic got a lot of followers, that means that the crippling loneliness of being alone one's whole life could never lead anyone to do anything drastic. Makes perfect sense. Oh wait no.

My point is that anti-social attitudes are what causes these heinous crimes to be committed. Not lack of sex, as the case of Charles Manson would prove. Loneliness tends to lead to depression, not anti-social behavior. People that are depressed turn their anger inward against themselves, rather than the anti-social types who turn their anger outward against others.

[FitChick]

The good news is that as men age their testosterone levels drop so they become less likely to commit crimes.

 

As for the crazy killers, I haven't heard any of them give the excuse that they were turned down for dates.

[truth_seeker]

The way the world is today I don't believe there is such a thing as involuntary celibate. Go to Las Vegas and drop some cash, sex is readily available. Go on the internet and you can have a date within the hour.

 

You're wrong on the shooting and mass murders. Those people are mentally ill. What about the guy with a fiance and was killing prostitutes?

[truth_seeker]

OLD has been proven many times to not work and many don't see sex with a hooker as a legitimate end to celibacy since you had to pay in order to be "wanted."

 

The term the OP raised "involuntary celibate" is non-existent.

 

That term means you can't get laid. Anyone can get laid. Sex is easy and accessible if you have no morals, no standards and willing to spend money.

[FitChick]

Love and sex are two different things.