Eternal Sunshine Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) With so much wrong with the world, I often feel that positive people are delusional. They really annoy me, and if I see "I am a positive person" in OLD profile I skip right over. I love negative and pessimistic people, under the condition that they express their negativity with sarcasm and wit, rather than "woe is me" types. I have actually never met anyone that likes pessimistic people, ever. Do they even exist? Edited February 3, 2013 by a LoveShack.org Moderator 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Eternal Sunshine Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 I mean someone like Dr House for example. So negative/pessimistic but clever. That would be my ideal personality type. Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 The people who dislike (us) positive people are the people who are in so deep to wallowing, self-pity and negativity, that it becomes second nature to them. They seek support - but stonewall every suggestion. They seek counsel - but ignore all options given. They request opinions - but then complain that everyone is too demanding. Pessimists are worse than DogSchytt. At least dogschytt is 'honest'. It smells like dogschytt, looks like dogschytt and it feels like dogschytt when you step on it.... WYSIWYG. Pessimists hide behind a veil of good intentions, but seek to bring everyone onto their own road to hell. A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes. A Realist sees the dark side of the cloud, and shrugs. An Optimist - well, they don't see no clouds at all. They're too busy walking on them. Pessimists? bah. ES, you're welcome to them. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
SmileFace Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I think you mean you hate fake people. Well that is what I hope you mean -_- 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I mean someone like Dr House for example. So negative/pessimistic but clever. That would be my ideal personality type. No. He's a straight-up tell-it-like-it-is realist. A Dr Phil on pills. He's amazing. And fictitious. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
nerd Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I dislike positive people who can't turn it down. But I'm pretty sure I just resent them for getting most of the hot chicks, even when said optimist is a moron. Link to post Share on other sites
SmileFace Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Dr. House isn't negative. Blunt, straightforward - yes. I thinl you are confusing things and don't know yourself and the meanings of what you are saying. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Eternal Sunshine Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 No. He's a straight-up tell-it-like-it-is realist. A Dr Phil on pills. He's amazing. And fictitious. Hmm...he is pretty negative. He even talks about being negative and a pessimist in the series. Yes, SF, most positive people seem fake. The more positive, the faker they are. Link to post Share on other sites
anne1707 Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 My SIL once said to my H that he reminded her of House meaning it as an insult. He took it as a compliment 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Eternal Sunshine Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 Dr. House isn't negative. Blunt, straightforward - yes. I thinl you are confusing things and don't know yourself and the meanings of what you are saying. I am not confusing things, you are Link to post Share on other sites
Author Eternal Sunshine Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 What about being in a negative situation and being positive that you will make it through it ? Like lets say a hard situation in life. Well, whenever that happened to me, I have had a strong belief that I will pull through and that I will be OK. And I fought like crazy. But, I have been called negative on LS more often than I can count. I guess it stuck with me, that I am "negative". Link to post Share on other sites
EasyHeart Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I don't like people who are phony. Sometimes I run into people who I refer to as the "cheerleader types" who think that being perky makes everything alright. Those kind of people annoy the hell out of me. But I like being around other optimistic people. To me, optimism means making the best of whatever situation you're in. When I was younger, I thought it was cool to be cynical and critical of everything. But cynicism is a safe and comfortable philosophy. If you assume that things will always go bad, you'll usually be right --- but you'll never be happy. It allows you to blame the world for anything bad that happens, rather than taking responsibilty for yourself. Optimism is the radical (and dangerous) belief that we are all responsible for our own happiness. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
SmileFace Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I am not confusing things, you are Yes but Dr. House is a fictitious character. His traits are extreme to prove a point. Plus look at my initially response I said "hope" so you may not be confusing things however I do think your idea is pretty extreme. Plus I am the farthest from what you are considering positive and can relate to the traits you take a liking to and don't take kindly to being called negative, which I hear IRL, when I am just a realist. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Eternal Sunshine Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 FYI I just googled Gregory House and there are lots of articles that describe him as a classic pessimist. So I guess it's all about perception. Alex, people close to me DO say that I am a pessimist, but they also say that I am strong and resilient. Link to post Share on other sites
Ladybugz Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 yes but in combination with realistic. people that keep saying positive stuff without any attention for the reality of the moment are annoying. cause there is bad stuff in the world. and that we have to deal with . so by not dealing with it and keep saying nice stuff make no sense to me. like a abusive husband saying he will change one day , etc. without addressing and take care of the abuse that is going on is stupid to me. and the person is missing any kind of reality there. Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Yes, SF, most positive people seem fake. The more positive, the faker they are. I agree. Then you just have to wait it out until their true self emerges and it's usually pretty repulsive. People can only act for so long. You're smart to ignore them. Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) Hmm...he is pretty negative. He even talks about being negative and a pessimist in the series. Yes, SF, most positive people seem fake. The more positive, the faker they are. Haters gonna hate. Just because you are unhappy with the world and with your life, does not mean other people should constantly yammer on about how bad things are. Everything isnt terrible. There is good and bad...and pessimism only holds you back. Personally, I like being realistic about things, but also being upbeat and have faith in myself to do good and succeed. So if you wanna be a Debbie Downer, then by all means. But do know that MANY men avoid that kind of woman. We HATE drama...and that what "realist" women bring to the table. The reason people like you hate positive people is because of jealousy...not because of some inane notion that positive people are out of touch with reality. They are happy, and you arent...so you want to bring them down. Edited February 2, 2013 by kaylan 2 Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Haters gonna hate. Just because you are unhappy with the world and with your life, does not mean other people should constantly yammer on about how bad things are. Everything isnt terrible. There is good and bad...and pessimism only holds you back. Personally, I like being realistic about things, but also being upbeat and have faith in myself to do good and succeed. So if you wanna be a Debbie Downer, then by all means. But do know that MANY men avoid that kind of woman. We HATE drama...and that what "realist" women bring to the table. Yeah it's much better to be with someone who never complains even if something's bothering them. That helps relationships perfectly. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
ladyabstrused Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Hmm...he is pretty negative. He even talks about being negative and a pessimist in the series. Yes, SF, most positive people seem fake. The more positive, the faker they are. I'm pretty positive with a lot of things in my life. I had to be or else I think I would've crumbled and not make it through my previous abusive relationship and perhaps be dying - who knows. I do complain, but out of those complains, I still try to find something positive to get by. So among some of the people I know, I guess I'm very positive thinking? Does that make me fake then? If you say the more positive they are, the more fake they are? I know you said most positive people, not all of them. I'm not faking my positivity. I take it as a form of motivation to actually live through this harshly difficult life. I can be negative about my cancer diagnosis and go - oh ****, why me, what have I done etc etc and then that would just depress me and won't help my recovery, would it? Not quite sure how to take this but I guess it's just discussion. I'm just emo right now I guess, to be feeling kinda offended. Link to post Share on other sites
SmileFace Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I am not confusing things, you are Haters gonna hate. Just because you are unhappy with the world and with your life, does not mean other people should constantly yammer on about how bad things are. Everything isnt terrible. There is good and bad...and pessimism only holds you back. Personally, I like being realistic about things, but also being upbeat and have faith in myself to do good and succeed. So if you wanna be a Debbie Downer, then by all means. But do know that MANY men avoid that kind of woman. We HATE drama...and that what "realist" women bring to the table. The reason people like you hate positive people is because of jealousy...not because of some inane notion that positive people are out of touch with reality. They are happy, and you arent...so you want to bring them down. As much as ES wants to say I am confusing meanings but what she is describing is what you are saying and I don't even agree she is a debbie down or negative. That is the point I am trying to get across. I think she is extreme since that is the only way she knows how to get attention and that shows even with this thread alone. However unhappy isn't the same. However it isn't my care if that is understood or not. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I don't dislike positive people. I am not particularly compatible with zesty, bubbly positivity, though. I have always been attracted to darkness, black humor, the macabre, and looking at the ugly underbelly of life and humanity, but at the same time, I have no patience with people who wallow in that and who are not in touch with the reality of all the blessings (I don't mean that in a religious sense, but it's the best word I can think of) that we are gifted with every single day. Gratitude is important, and it is a very positive thing. I used to be a world class wallower myself. Also, I have dealt with serious depression and other messed up mood stuff all my life. I literally lived every day without caring what I did or what happened because the reality that death was around any corner anyway was always foremost in my mind. I have to recognize that staying in that place is sick, for me. So I now would actually classify myself as a "positive person." I've integrated! Who would have thought it would ever come to this. 6 Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I'm not faking my positivity. I take it as a form of motivation to actually live through this harshly difficult life. I can be negative about my cancer diagnosis and go - oh ****, why me, what have I done etc etc and then that would just depress me and won't help my recovery, would it? Not quite sure how to take this but I guess it's just discussion. I'm just emo right now I guess, to be feeling kinda offended. I don't know how ES meant it but I took it to mean always positive and always chipper. You get down sometimes but then you bounce back which is what I do too. To me happy chipper people are just posers. Because when something bothers them it hits them hard because all the things they're trying to cover surface. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ladyabstrused Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I don't know how ES meant it but I took it to mean always positive and always chipper. You get down sometimes but then you bounce back which is what I do too. To me happy chipper people are just posers. Because when something bothers them it hits them hard because all the things they're trying to cover surface. Not sure how ES meant it either and I just took it how I saw it I guess. Thanks amaysngrace. You're always such a sweetheart. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SmileFace Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I agree. Then you just have to wait it out until their true self emerges and it's usually pretty repulsive. People can only act for so long. You're smart to ignore them. Yea but positive and fake isn't the same thing even though they do go hand and hand usually. As much as life has tore me down and I have been through some **** in my life I am positive in regards that I will live a next day and will do right by myself. Crap we all get torn down but I know I will over come what I can and positive in that fact. What is the point of negativity, complaining and anger? I know I am just as resposible for my life as my surroundings so if I don't want to willow in my own ****ed up life and not take charge doesn't make me fake but it sure as hell makes me positive. However if this thread was meant in a more superficial way or even dating - I myself rather not date someone who is fake. However I dated a guy who was a male version of me in personality and even though we could talk for hours and related for days - he was no good for me since you do need balance and we will probably would have pulled ourselves into a huge drug fulled depression. Ha 4 Link to post Share on other sites
sillyanswer Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 They really annoy me, and if I see "I am a positive person" in OLD profile I skip right over. I love negative and pessimistic people, under the condition that they express their negativity with sarcasm and wit, rather than "woe is me" types. I'll be updating my profile to say that I'm crochety and cynical. I expect to hear back from you this time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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