pbjbear Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I would add that women are the same way with the best looking guys. That's why you see SO MANY women here complaining about men having dates and sex with them and not calling them back. If men and women just cared a little bit less about looks, you wouldn't have half of the complaining that you do about dating. Women complain about that because men use women for sex (happens ALOT, not just hot guys but tons of average looking guys do it too I have had it happen to me!)...I highly doubt all these women complaining about sleeping with a guy and him not calling again are hot guys. Some prob are, but you are exaggerating that ALL of them must be hot. Ive already made my case about men being more focused on looks than women so I wont go there. The guys I have liked the most were not lookers Link to post Share on other sites
ltjg45 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) Case in point. Most men will screw any woman with a willing hole and in LTR's most men dont have high standards. Kaylan, Lakerman, KungFuPanda, Woggle and some other men on this board are exceptions. Don't get me wrong. If she comes off as a bitch or hoe, I'm not even going anywhere near her. In fact, I'll find a way to create more space from her. Not to mention, if she acts like that, I'm sure she has been a sex toy for at least 3-4 years, perhaps even longer. I don't want to know how many horny guys has already banged her. Also, if I found out she lost her virginity during her teenage years and have been having sex constantly since them, that's a big red flag and I'm 95% sure I'm not going to risk being in a relationship with you because all that tells me is that you can't control yourself. This is why I'm a 26-year-old virgin. I may have the thoughts in my mind but it takes a special woman before I would even consider putting them into motion. I only approached one female for a possible relationship in my entire life. She's Russian and a wonderful person. I have yet to have sex with her and I known her since August 2012. So, sorry to say, I have standards. Standards so high, I probably won't be with any female. Considering the way most women act in public, that doesn't sound like such a bad thing. Edited February 4, 2013 by ltjg45 Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJulySeptember Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Women complain about that because men use women for sex (happens ALOT, not just hot guys but tons of average looking guys do it too I have had it happen to me!)...I highly doubt all these women complaining about sleeping with a guy and him not calling again are hot guys. Some prob are, but you are exaggerating that ALL of them must be hot. Ive already made my case about men being more focused on looks than women so I wont go there. The guys I have liked the most were not lookers I disagree. A man will rarely dog a woman who is physically attractive and has a good personality. At least not dog in the way you are thinking of. He'll keep her around and try her out for a relationship. Link to post Share on other sites
pbjbear Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I disagree. A man will rarely dog a woman who is physically attractive and has a good personality. At least not dog in the way you are thinking of. He'll keep her around and try her out for a relationship. Many men today are not into relationships. Just because you are doesnt mean everyone else is. Many men pretend they want one until they get sex. I am 25 so Im speaking of the men I have dated around my age. There are some that want relationships, but most men around my age arent really looking for one and it doesnt really matter if you have a good personality or not. Early sex often ruins the chances of a relationship too, because it is then less of a chase for him Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJulySeptember Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Many men today are not into relationships. Just because you are doesnt mean everyone else is. Many men pretend they want one until they get sex. I am 25 so Im speaking of the men I have dated around my age. There are some that want relationships, but most men around my age arent really looking for one and it doesnt really matter if you have a good personality or not. Early sex often ruins the chances of a relationship too, because it is then less of a chase for him So, a single guy would turn down the chance to have regular sex with a hot woman week after week with only having to call her a few times a week and then maybe take her out every now and then in the beginning of the relationship? Yea, that's such a hassle. Women need to get over themselves. The reason they are getting dogged is because they are every bit as shallow as men are. Link to post Share on other sites
ltjg45 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Many men today are not into relationships. That is true. Too true. I only need to go outside and do IRL activities to see that. Early sex often ruins the chances of a relationship too, because it is then less of a chase for him That is also true. I have less of a desire to be with a female that had sex early (esp. during the teenage years. Seriously?). All it does is give me a red flag that you will jump ship for the next male you find. *Key Word: I said "male" not "man". Not all males deserved to be called a "man". Some is abusive, some is bigger chickens than me (and I have a very low pain tolerance. Keep those needles away from me!), and some has an ego so big, I just want to grab a hammer and fire it at their heads. Whether or not I am an actual "man", I refuse to answer it.* Link to post Share on other sites
pbjbear Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 So, a single guy would turn down the chance to have regular sex with a hot woman week after week with only having to call her a few times a week and then maybe take her out every now and then in the beginning of the relationship? Yea, that's such a hassle. Women need to get over themselves. The reason they are getting dogged is because they are every bit as shallow as men are. Wow you are REALLY naiive. I have had what you described happen to me. But its not a relationship its a friends with benefits. Some men are looking for relationships but if you really believe that all guys will tie themselves down to a physically attractive girl they slept with and not try to get the goods for free you need to get out and talk to men more often. Link to post Share on other sites
ltjg45 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Wow you are REALLY naiive. I have had what you described happen to me. But its not a relationship its a friends with benefits. Some men are looking for relationships but if you really believe that all guys will tie themselves down to a physically attractive girl they slept with and not try to get the goods for free you need to get out and talk to men more often. Well, while I would say that the males is going to regret that decision, it is not as black & white. Did the female admit she was willing to settle down with him? If so, then yeah, it is the male's fault she let her go. However, most females give out these hints & clues expecting the males to figure it out. I'm not well versed in the dating scene. Hell, I never dated at all. Lastly, I don't like playing mind games. Any female I will approach that I would start a relationship with, I tell them up front: "Whatever it is you want, tell me what that is directly. Don't play with my mind." Why I say this? I use logic and common sense. If it doesn't make sense to me, then I will ignore it. I tell you what I want directly. All I'm asking from the women is the same. If you can do that, we will get along just fine. Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJulySeptember Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Wow you are REALLY naiive. I have had what you described happen to me. But its not a relationship its a friends with benefits. Some men are looking for relationships but if you really believe that all guys will tie themselves down to a physically attractive girl they slept with and not try to get the goods for free you need to get out and talk to men more often. You're only 25. I'm way older. I've known lots of dogs in my life. Trust me. FWB, whatever you want to call it. The point is, only the best looking (or alpha guys in other ways) guys can pull that off with multiple women. And still, no I don't think a man would dog a hot woman. Not in the same way at least. Every single woman here thinks they are hot. I have yet to see a woman here rate herself as less than a 7. And I've been here a long time. Link to post Share on other sites
pbjbear Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 You're only 25. I'm way older. I've known lots of dogs in my life. Trust me. FWB, whatever you want to call it. The point is, only the best looking (or alpha guys in other ways) guys can pull that off with multiple women. And still, no I don't think a man would dog a hot woman. Not in the same way at least. Every single woman here thinks they are hot. I have yet to see a woman here rate herself as less than a 7. And I've been here a long time. Average looking men will do it with one woman at a time because they like her enough to sex with her but not enough to commit or they simply just dont want a relationship. Your second point? You think too highly of men. There are men that would dog a hot woman...I see it happen around me Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJulySeptember Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Average looking men will do it with one woman at a time because they like her enough to sex with her but not enough to commit or they simply just dont want a relationship. Your second point? You think too highly of men. There are men that would dog a hot woman...I see it happen around me I do agree with your first point. But if an average guy were able to land an average woman with a good personality, he'd keep her. Men are much more relationship minded than you think. The early part of a relationship is easy. You think too highly of women. They are shallow as men are. My original point stands. The reasons why half of the problems in dating exists is because everybody is chasing after the best looking thing they can get and ignoring things like personal qualities and compatibility. Link to post Share on other sites
ltjg45 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Average looking men will do it with one woman at a time because they like her enough to sex with her but not enough to commit or they simply just dont want a relationship. Your second point? You think too highly of men. There are men that would dog a hot woman...I see it happen around me Sounds like you are given the woman in question too much credit. Very rarely do I see an actual "hot woman". I mean that literally. From hair down to their shoe selection. But 90-95% of the young woman sure do walk around thinking they are hot and sexy. Maybe it is to them but it is certainly not to me. The male may think she just an average female worthy of a one-night stand (if that) and may be settling for some average sex. Link to post Share on other sites
pbjbear Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I do agree with your first point. But if an average guy were able to land an average woman with a good personality, he'd keep her. Men are much more relationship minded than you think. The early part of a relationship is easy. You think too highly of women. They are shallow as men are. My original point stands. The reasons why half of the problems in dating exists is because everybody is chasing after the best looking thing they can get and ignoring things like personal qualities and compatibility. I agree with everything you say except the relationship-minded part...in my world where there is a surplus of women men are not apt to settle down. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author quietGuy13 Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 This is just a great thread. It tells the truth as it is. Here's my TRUTH STATEMENT again. Women do not like 99.9876% of men. If they're married or into relationships with them it's because they were convinced somehow. or by the guy's wallet. Like when you go to Cafes or whatever. who do you see the women talking to? The hot playboys. of course!!! If you see them with average/below average guys it's cause those guys are either coworkers or just friends WHO they would never be in a relationship with. Women see men as below them. As monkeys. As apes. You even hear it how much women hate men, over and over in dramas, shows, real life, and then women say great things about how women are so beautiful. You never hear a comment about an average guy like that. What needs to happen? Well women need to be nicer. Stop thinking about the wallet, and start looking at the guys heart. Yea he might be a failure, yeah he might have a low wage job , yeah he might not be romantic, he might be nerdy and clumsy, so what???? Start damn accepting people! If i'm ugly and i approach you and i nicely say hi, be nice and respond. Link to post Share on other sites
ltjg45 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I agree with everything you say except the relationship-minded part...in my world where there is a surplus of women men are not apt to settle down. That goes both ways. If women wasn't so willing to casually have sex with these males, perhaps the males would be more interested in settling down. However, that is a flawed reasoning. If the males had to be forced into a relationship just to get decent sex and nothing more, he was never worth keeping to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites
pbjbear Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 That goes both ways. If women wasn't so willing to casually have sex with these males, perhaps the males would be more interested in settling down. However, that is a flawed reasoning. If the males had to be forced into a relationship just to get decent sex and nothing more, he was never worth keeping to begin with. Ehhh I do believe most men (not all, but most) get in a relationship primarily to get regular sex. Not saying they dont care about personality at all, but sex takes first preference. Sorry- I wouldnt be so negative but I find this to be true. Men with fewer options I think get into relationships usually for this reason (not like NYC, where an average guy can find tons of girls to date)...I dont know many men that really want a relationship. In NYC most men who are in their 20's and in relationships are with girls out of their league Link to post Share on other sites
ltjg45 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I do agree with your first point. But if an average guy were able to land an average woman with a good personality, he'd keep her. Men are much more relationship minded than you think. The early part of a relationship is easy. You think too highly of women. They are shallow as men are. My original point stands. The reasons why half of the problems in dating exists is because everybody is chasing after the best looking thing they can get and ignoring things like personal qualities and compatibility. No, I'm a male and I disagree with that. She needs to have a personality that is far better than "good" for a male to want her despite both is about equal looks-wise. Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJulySeptember Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 This is why I'm a 26-year-old virgin. I may have the thoughts in my mind but it takes a special woman before I would even consider putting them into motion. You're not alone bud. There's lots of guys here who are the same age or older who have lots of problems with women. Stick around, vent a little, and get some advice. Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJulySeptember Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 No, I'm a male and I disagree with that. She needs to have a personality that is far better than "good" for a male to want her despite both is about equal looks-wise. Maybe for you. For most men, it's about looks. Most men who are a 6 will take a woman who is a 6 because it's hard work for them to get an equal. Link to post Share on other sites
monicaelise Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 What needs to happen? Well women need to be nicer. Stop thinking about the wallet, and start looking at the guys heart. Yea he might be a failure, yeah he might have a low wage job , yeah he might not be romantic, he might be nerdy and clumsy, so what???? Start damn accepting people! If i'm ugly and i approach you and i nicely say hi, be nice and respond. Why? I personally try to treat anyone who approaches me with respect regardless of gender, but why should women do anything you say? What exactly is it you think women owe you? With all the pissing and moaning that some of you guys do, it wouldn't matter what you looked like. Your anger and frustration make you ugly on the inside as well. All of this ridiculous talk regarding the shallowness and meanness of women is getting old. If you really don't like us, leave us alone. Go find a mountaintop upon which you can perch yourselves far, far away from all the evil that is female. Most of us don't even know you exist in daily life, we won't miss this little bit that we do know. You're no better than the women that come here and bitch about how men just want one thing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) Ugh, never mind. Truth be damned. Edited February 4, 2013 by serial muse 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pbjbear Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 This is just a great thread. It tells the truth as it is. Here's my TRUTH STATEMENT again. Women do not like 99.9876% of men. If they're married or into relationships with them it's because they were convinced somehow. or by the guy's wallet. Women see men as below them. As monkeys. As apes. You even hear it how much women hate men, over and over in dramas, shows, real life, and then women say great things about how women are so beautiful. You never hear a comment about an average guy like that. QUOTE] Quietguy, you and I should start a debate because I feel the same way about men as you do about women. I wouldnt say a number as high as 99% but I think most men in relationships are not truly satisfied with their partners, but got into them because they dont get too many girls interested in them or they saw it PRIMARILY as a way to get regular sex. Yes, men are that shallow. I have not always thought that- only this past year has it finally sunk into my brain that men are that sex obsessed. Most men I know think women are below them. Men around me feel entitled to a hot girl, entitled to sex before the first 3 dates even if the woman paid for herself on dates, even when he has little to offer to the table. If he doesnt do that, he sees women as emotionally weak and not good for much else than having someone to stroke his ego. The media has very much messed with male brains. There are scientific studies that exist that have shown average men today with little to offer are holding out for super hot woman with an amazing personality and view an average woman's looks more harshly than they did 50 years ago. Constantly having uber hot women images around them HAS affected the male brain, whether you want to think it or not. Have you ever heard guy talk? I have alot of guy friends, work with men and live with a guy. Many of them are not guys you would meet and say "oh hes an a**hole" yet the way THEY talk about women to each other...sheesh. We are holes. We are there to be played with, there to stroke your ego. Men feign interest and emotional attachment. I believe most men lack emotional depth and are emotionally cold. A few arent when you get to know them, but most men arent as emotionally available as women even when he knows the woman wont leave him if he shows it. Women are the more nurturing, caring sex. We are supposed to put up with your rude insensitive behavior and you can just say "well Im a guy..." and "boys will be boys." If I did that, nothing but derogatory remarks would be thrown my way. I dont have a free pass in society to act selfish and self serving and then use statements to excuse my behavior that most people around me will buy. Men are just as cocky and arrogant as women... Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJulySeptember Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 What needs to happen? Well women need to be nicer. Stop thinking about the wallet, and start looking at the guys heart. Yea he might be a failure, yeah he might have a low wage job , yeah he might not be romantic, he might be nerdy and clumsy, so what???? Start damn accepting people! If i'm ugly and i approach you and i nicely say hi, be nice and respond. Pfft. People won't even consider you for friendship if you are all of the above, and that goes for other men too. If you don't like it, move to another planet. Link to post Share on other sites
monicaelise Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Ugh, never mind. Truth be damned. Hey! Put that back. It was a good post. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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