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JuneJulySeptember
This is just a great thread. It tells the truth as it is.

 

Here's my TRUTH STATEMENT again.

 

Women do not like 99.9876% of men. If they're married or into relationships with them it's because they were convinced somehow. or by the guy's wallet.

 

 

Women see men as below them. As monkeys. As apes. You even hear it how much women hate men, over and over in dramas, shows, real life,

 

and then women say great things about how women are so beautiful. You never hear a comment about an average guy like that.

 

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Quietguy, you and I should start a debate because I feel the same way about men as you do about women.

 

I wouldnt say a number as high as 99% but I think most men in relationships are not truly satisfied with their partners, but got into them because they dont get too many girls interested in them or they saw it PRIMARILY as a way to get regular sex. Yes, men are that shallow. I have not always thought that- only this past year has it finally sunk into my brain that men are that sex obsessed.

 

Most men I know think women are below them. Men around me feel entitled to a hot girl, entitled to sex before the first 3 dates even if the woman paid for herself on dates, even when he has little to offer to the table. If he doesnt do that, he sees women as emotionally weak and not good for much else than having someone to stroke his ego.

 

The media has very much messed with male brains. There are scientific studies that exist that have shown average men today with little to offer are holding out for super hot woman with an amazing personality and view an average woman's looks more harshly than they did 50 years ago. Constantly having uber hot women images around them HAS affected the male brain, whether you want to think it or not.

 

Have you ever heard guy talk? I have alot of guy friends, work with men and live with a guy. Many of them are not guys you would meet and say "oh hes an a**hole" yet the way THEY talk about women to each other...sheesh. We are holes. We are there to be played with, there to stroke your ego. Men feign interest and emotional attachment. I believe most men lack emotional depth and are emotionally cold. A few arent when you get to know them, but most men arent as emotionally available as women even when he knows the woman wont leave him if he shows it. Women are the more nurturing, caring sex. We are supposed to put up with your rude insensitive behavior and you can just say "well Im a guy..." and "boys will be boys." If I did that, nothing but derogatory remarks would be thrown my way. I dont have a free pass in society to act selfish and self serving and then use statements to excuse my behavior that most people around me will buy.

 

Men are just as cocky and arrogant as women...

 

If that is the case, then how have you been able to get many dates and relationships by age 25?

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Hey! Put that back. It was a good post. :D

 

Haha, sorry, I just was trying to control my temper.

 

In a calmer nutshell, what I said was that I've read a lot of ugly words from quietGuy over the years, and that's the ugly that I find unappealing.

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This is just a great thread. It tells the truth as it is.

 

Here's my TRUTH STATEMENT again.

 

Women do not like 99.9876% of men. If they're married or into relationships with them it's because they were convinced somehow. or by the guy's wallet.

 

Like when you go to Cafes or whatever. who do you see the women talking to? The hot playboys. of course!!!

 

If you see them with average/below average guys it's cause those guys are either coworkers or just friends WHO they would never be in a relationship with.

 

Women see men as below them. As monkeys. As apes. You even hear it how much women hate men, over and over in dramas, shows, real life,

 

and then women say great things about how women are so beautiful. You never hear a comment about an average guy like that.

 

What needs to happen?

Well women need to be nicer. Stop thinking about the wallet, and start looking at the guys heart. Yea he might be a failure, yeah he might have a low wage job , yeah he might not be romantic, he might be nerdy and clumsy, so what????

 

Start damn accepting people!

If i'm ugly and i approach you and i nicely say hi, be nice and respond.

 

While you were typing that, I was telling my disabled, unemployed boyfriend how much I love him and want to bang him, and was describing it in great detail.

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JuneJulySeptember
While you were typing that, I was telling my disabled, unemployed boyfriend how much I love him and want to bang him, and was describing it in great detail.

 

He's unemployed and disabled but looks like Bradley Cooper, right? :lmao:

 

Joking.

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He's unemployed and disabled but looks like Bradley Cooper, right? :lmao:

 

Joking.

 

Oh yes, he's an undiscovered male supermodel. Why else would I be with him? Out of love? That's just silly. :p

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I'm starting to believe I need to just off myself.

 

Based on several of the posts in this thread and in others around the forum simply by virtue of being a woman I should be doing pretty well in the dating world.

 

 

  1. Men should be throwing themselves at me for dates both online and off.
  2. Once I accept a date, these mythical men should always stick around for relationships as long as I am at least average.
  3. I should barely have to try to put myself together when I leave my house since men are so available to just about any woman.

But my reality is that men neither ask me out online (and yes I have tried) or in the real world. Worse, the few dates I have had this year turned into relationships that I enjoyed but the men bailed on. Based on this I have to assume that I am a hideous hunchback with no possible redeeming qualities.

 

 

Seriously, I am obviously a dog and a pathetic loser since none of this cool stuff is happening to me.

 

On a brighter note, I can stop trying altogether! I will save a ton of money on makeup and clothes, and sitting at home eating junk food while watching Steel Magnolias is a whole hell of a lot easier than watching my diet and working out every day. Let the good times role!

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I'm starting to believe I need to just off myself.

 

Based on several of the posts in this thread and in others around the forum simply by virtue of being a woman I should be doing pretty well in the dating world.

 

 

  1. Men should be throwing themselves at me for dates both online and off.
  2. Once I accept a date, these mythical men should always stick around for relationships as long as I am at least average.
  3. I should barely have to try to put myself together when I leave my house since men are so available to just about any woman.

But my reality is that men neither ask me out online (and yes I have tried) or in the real world. Worse, the few dates I have had this year turned into relationships that I enjoyed but the men bailed on. Based on this I have to assume that I am a hideous hunchback with no possible redeeming qualities.

 

 

Seriously, I am obviously a dog and a pathetic loser since none of this cool stuff is happening to me.

 

On a brighter note, I can stop trying altogether! I will save a ton of money on makeup and clothes, and sitting at home eating junk food while watching Steel Magnolias is a whole hell of a lot easier than watching my diet and working out every day. Let the good times role!

 

Maybe you are below average. We're also talking about generalities here. I'm fully aware there are some posters here who don't live by these rules, but they are in the vast minority.

 

Hey, I'm a guy and I'm below average too. Nobody has ever hit on me or asked me out either, so we're in the same boat.

 

My solution to the problem is to be less shallow myself. I don't need to contribute to the problem that I'm actively complaining about. That wouldn't make sense. :eek:

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If that is the case, then how have you been able to get many dates and relationships by age 25?

 

I get dates all the time because Im told Im friendly and goodlooking. I havent dated in the past 5 months though I decided to take a break.

 

I have yet to have an actual relationship even though I am told by people around me Im a good catch. I have had a few exclusive relationships that lasted about 3 months though. Men around me are not apt to settle down unless they have no options and in NYC, average men can get dates left and right, there are a surplus of women here.

 

Men get into relationships, but often not for the best reasons in my opinion. I said in my previous post alot seem to not be satisfied with their partners and think they can always do better so Im not really sad I havent had a relationship yet...I dont want some guy to feel "he is settling" for me

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Maybe you are below average. We're also talking about generalities here. I'm fully aware there are some posters here who don't live by these rules, but they are in the vast minority.

 

Hey, I'm a guy and I'm below average too. Nobody has ever hit on me or asked me out either, so we're in the same boat.

 

My solution to the problem is to be less shallow myself. I don't need to contribute to the problem that I'm actively complaining about. That wouldn't make sense. :eek:

 

 

The fact that you're still complaining about average/below average/above average and weighing people's looks on a numerical scale would seem to contradict that last line of your post. I don't think I've seen a single non-shallow person on this board offer up his or her own assessment of his or her own looks in that manner yet. Ranking people the way you do is just rank. You seem to be far more hung up on looks than any of the so-called pretty people here.

 

You have no idea whether the poster you replied to is having a bad go of things in the dating world based on her looks. There are at least a zillion other things... location, demographics, personality (not saying this is the case), family issues, god knows what... that may be the root of the problem, but you automatically jumped to the conclusion that she might be below average in appearance. That's pretty shallow.

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Maybe you are below average. We're also talking about generalities here. I'm fully aware there are some posters here who don't live by these rules, but they are in the vast minority.

 

Hey, I'm a guy and I'm below average too. Nobody has ever hit on me or asked me out either, so we're in the same boat.

 

My solution to the problem is to be less shallow myself. I don't need to contribute to the problem that I'm actively complaining about. That wouldn't make sense. :eek:

 

Fine, I accept that I am below average, but not even below average guys ask me out. Meanwhile, I am also not shallow at all and have no fear asking out men I am attracted to - this is pretty much how I have gotten into all of my prior relationships.

 

We can all sit around whining and blaming the opposite sex for our misfortunes and singledom or we can accept that none of the generalities make a darn bit of difference when it comes to us as individuals.

 

Really, what would it matter if I am drop dead gorgeous, amazing in bed, extraordinarily compassionate, or whatever entails the perfect woman, if no man ever asked me out or wanted to be with me? Perhaps all of these mythical men are making assumptions that I am taken or would never date them, are too afraid to approach and just assume I have men throwing themselves at my feet...or that I am shallow.

 

Again - who cares why?

 

My reality is my reality, and it really does not matter what the cause of it is. What I don't do is sit around moaning about the fact that it is what is. I spend my time trying to make it different, figuring out what I can do about it, and going after what I want. I get hurt, I get rejected, but I keep going. If I truly did buy into the beliefs that some of you have about women, I would give up.

 

Personally, I just think we are all afraid, searching, and trying to deal with the weirdness that is male/female interaction in our own ways. I'll find my guy one day - probably by doing all the things you men say we don't do...falling for the guys character and personality, not caring that he makes less money than me, asking him out, and treating him like the awesome sauce that he is.

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The fact that you're still complaining about average/below average/above average and weighing people's looks on a numerical scale would seem to contradict that last line of your post. I don't think I've seen a single non-shallow person on this board offer up his or her own assessment of his or her own looks in that manner yet. Ranking people the way you do is just rank. You seem to be far more hung up on looks than any of the so-called pretty people here.

 

You have no idea whether the poster you replied to is having a bad go of things in the dating world based on her looks. There are at least a zillion other things... location, demographics, personality (not saying this is the case), family issues, god knows what... that may be the root of the problem, but you automatically jumped to the conclusion that she might be below average in appearance. That's pretty shallow.

 

Just because I weigh people's looks doesn't mean that I take that into a large consideration when I decide who to date.

 

And just because I think everybody else is shallow doesn't mean that I'm shallow. I'd probably date that poster if she was cool and well below average looking.

 

And what is your philosophy on that matter again?

 

You started it. :lmao:

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Fine, I accept that I am below average, but not even below average guys ask me out. Meanwhile, I am also not shallow at all and have no fear asking out men I am attracted to - this is pretty much how I have gotten into all of my prior relationships.

 

We can all sit around whining and blaming the opposite sex for our misfortunes and singledom or we can accept that none of the generalities make a darn bit of difference when it comes to us as individuals.

 

Really, what would it matter if I am drop dead gorgeous, amazing in bed, extraordinarily compassionate, or whatever entails the perfect woman, if no man ever asked me out or wanted to be with me? Perhaps all of these mythical men are making assumptions that I am taken or would never date them, are too afraid to approach and just assume I have men throwing themselves at my feet...or that I am shallow.

 

Again - who cares why?

 

My reality is my reality, and it really does not matter what the cause of it is. What I don't do is sit around moaning about the fact that it is what is. I spend my time trying to make it different, figuring out what I can do about it, and going after what I want. I get hurt, I get rejected, but I keep going. If I truly did buy into the beliefs that some of you have about women, I would give up.

 

Personally, I just think we are all afraid, searching, and trying to deal with the weirdness that is male/female interaction in our own ways. I'll find my guy one day - probably by doing all the things you men say we don't do...falling for the guys character and personality, not caring that he makes less money than me, asking him out, and treating him like the awesome sauce that he is.

 

I'm actually semi-dating.

 

I do spend probably too much time whining about how shallow the vast majority of people are. :p

 

Anyway, you seem like a cool sort from your post. Good luck to you.

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I still want to know who holds this mythical chart of how everyone is scored. Also, is it whole numbers only, or can someone be a 6.3?

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Just because I weigh people's looks doesn't mean that I take that into a large consideration when I decide who to date.

 

And just because I think everybody else is shallow doesn't mean that I'm shallow. I'd probably date that poster if she was cool and well below average looking.

 

And what is your philosophy on that matter again?

 

You started it. :lmao:

 

You already know my philosophy. I date people I'm attracted to and I do very much appreciate beautiful men. Does this mean I will date a beautiful man with a shi**y personality? Definitely not. Will I avoid intimate physical relationships with men I do not find physically attractive? Absolutely. That's not being shallow. That's a matter of having personal standards.

 

Now, would I abuse someone or disregard their feelings because I don't find them physically attractive? NEVER. Just the same, I don't owe it to anyone to give them a shot at getting in my knickers just because they think they have a great personality.

 

I can tell you I have never ranked anyone I was involved with on a scale or assessed them by some imaginary mean. I wouldn't date someone or sleep with that person if I didn't think they were attractive, duh. My philosophy is "yes, I will date someone I am attracted to". I think most people hold a similar position. I wouldn't date someone I wasn't attracted to, but there are a lot of ways people can be attractive.

 

I have preferences just like everyone else, but I would never be so foolish as try to claim there was some objective fact of the matter regarding where I or the person fall in some grand (imaginary) system.

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You already know my philosophy. I date people I'm attracted to and I do very much appreciate beautiful men. Does this mean I will date a beautiful man with a shi**y personality? Definitely not. Will I avoid intimate physical relationships with men I do not find physically attractive? Absolutely. That's not being shallow. That's a matter of having personal standards.

 

Now, would I abuse someone or disregard their feelings because I don't find them physically attractive? NEVER. Just the same, I don't owe it to anyone to give them a shot at getting in my knickers just because they think they have a great personality.

 

I can tell you I have never ranked anyone I was involved with on a scale or assessed them by some imaginary mean. I wouldn't date someone or sleep with that person if I didn't think they were attractive, duh. My philosophy is "yes, I will date someone I am attracted to". I think most people hold a similar position. I wouldn't date someone I wasn't attracted to, but there are a lot of ways people can be attractive.

 

I have preferences just like everyone else, but I would never be so foolish as try to claim there was some objective fact of the matter regarding where I or the person fall in some grand (imaginary) system.

 

Shallow by definition means the opposite of deep, to be able to look past surficial qualities. In one of your other threads, you said that you would never date a man you didn't have absolute off the bat physical attraction to. In my eyes, that is sort of shallow. Not to say, it's reprehensible, but I don't like it.

 

But I'm not going to get into it with you.

 

Let's just say that just because you call somebody a racist doesn't mean you are a racist yourself. I don't use the rating scale that much in real life, but I'm well aware that other people do.

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Not all men will have gf's they don't like jus to have a steady supply. If that was the case for me I wouldn't be a 31 year old man who's only had 3 sexual exps in his life and never had a relationship. And no I'm not holding out for Giselle or even close. And the men don't want R's line is BS at the least. Everywhere I've worked most people are married or in a r.

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Shallow by definition means the opposite of deep, to be able to look past surficial qualities.

 

But I'm not going to get into it with you.

 

Let's just say that just because you call somebody a racist doesn't mean you are a racist yourself. I don't use the rating scale that much in real life, but I'm well aware that other people do.

 

The things you call "superficial qualities" often tell us an awful lot about what's below the surface. But whatever, I understand that you don't really get this.

 

Anyway, I don't think most grownups do use a ranking system like the one you refer to rather frequently in your posts. People are attracted to people they find attractive, and that's pretty much it.

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You know who I feel bad for after reading this thread? Hot guys. Why is it they every hot guy in the world is considered to be this evil user who grinds women beneath his feet after he sleeps with her?

 

Its like the majority of people here have never dated or talked to or even interacted with an attractive guy ever.

 

I have dated many many many attractive men and every one I dated was nice and loyal and relationship minded. Heck, my fiance is hot as all get out and he's the kindest man I've ever known.

 

In fact, there are only 2 men in my life who treated me poorly and one was my average ex husband and I once dated a guy who was considered 'ugly" who turned out to be a jerk too.

 

Your character has to do with how you were raised more than it has to do with how "hot" you turned out to be when you grew up.

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Shallow by definition means the opposite of deep, to be able to look past surficial qualities. In one of your other threads, you said that you would never date a man you didn't have absolute off the bat physical attraction to. In my eyes, that is sort of shallow. Not to say, it's reprehensible, but I don't like it.

 

But I'm not going to get into it with you.

 

Let's just say that just because you call somebody a racist doesn't mean you are a racist yourself. I don't use the rating scale that much in real life, but I'm well aware that other people do.

 

 

Why would I date someone I wasn't attracted to?? How is that shallow? I'm not saying "anything below a 7 is no good for me". I'm saying I won't get into a physical relationship with someone I, personally, don't find attractive... even if he was a 10+ (whatever the hell that means). Why the hell would you "not like it"? Why do you care? I'm not telling you to go out and sleep with women who don't do it for you. :confused:

 

As far I'm concerned, forcing yourself to do something with someone you don't really want is a far more reprehensible act, even under the guise of "looking past superficial things". It's dirty, dishonest, and exploitative.

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Why would I date someone I wasn't attracted to?? How is that shallow? I'm not saying "anything below a 7 is no good for me". I'm saying I won't get into a physical relationship with someone I, personally, don't find attractive... even if he was a 10+ (whatever the hell that means). Why the hell would you "not like it"? Why do you care? I'm not telling you to go out and sleep with women who don't do it for you. :confused:

 

As far I'm concerned, forcing yourself to do something with someone you don't really want is a far more reprehensible act, even under the guise of "looking past superficial things". It's dirty, dishonest, and exploitative.

 

You knew that we don't see eye to eye.

 

So, why did you respond to my post and call me out? :p

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Shallow by definition means the opposite of deep, to be able to look past surficial qualities.

 

JJS, I'm not trying to be all "gotcha" with you but...you've made an awful lot of posts that lump women together into one big picky, looks-obsessed morass.

 

That isn't deep thinking. I think it's pretty shallow, honestly. I asked you before about what you're saying about the woman you actually hooked up with, and you never answered. Which is the problem - it's easy and lazy to lump faceless people together and make up theories about them, but it's much harder to denigrate individuals. They inconveniently don't tend to fit into those boxes you want to force them into. And then they're all exceptions to the rule, I suppose? How convenient.

 

So. This endless barrage of threads (not just from you, obviously) that hammer out that same message - well, it's just a huge, lazy pile-on without any actual critical thinking behind it. How is that not shallow?

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You knew that we don't see eye to eye.

 

So, why did you respond to my post and call me out? :p

 

Yeah, well it wasn't you I originally called out. This whole "injustice" theme just irritates me to no end. I really don't understand why so many posters even bother with any of this when they clearly do not like the opposite sex. This goes for both men and women. When people have this much resentment toward anyone, it's probably just best to bag it and find other things to do with your time/life. I believe my original suggestion was to find a nice mountain top somewhere. I still think it's pretty solid.

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"Women only like very few guys"

 

OP, IMO, it only appears that way when you're not one of the 'few' perceived to be liked. In reality, there are guys being liked, loved, LTR'ed and married every day. Lots of them. The inputs are valid, meaning what you observe and experience, and you have choices as to how you process those inputs. If the processing brings you distress and/or impels anger/venting, make different choices.

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Ehhh I do believe most men (not all, but most) get in a relationship primarily to get regular sex. Not saying they dont care about personality at all, but sex takes first preference. Sorry- I wouldnt be so negative but I find this to be true. Men with fewer options I think get into relationships usually for this reason (not like NYC, where an average guy can find tons of girls to date)...I dont know many men that really want a relationship. In NYC most men who are in their 20's and in relationships are with girls out of their league

 

You are right. I seen this way too many times at my local bus station. The females that show cleavage is always the ones that got a male talking to them. I'm sure the only thing on that male mind when he went over to talk to her is how quick he can bang her.

 

I really need to go to NYC if finding dates there is so much easier. I have a hard time thinking I will find a woman worth being with down here in Jacksonville FL. Mind you, I never did go to any bars/strip clubs or anything of that nature. The 2 places I go to when finding women is the library and the beach.

 

Library? The ones I'm interested in is too busy doing whatever they are doing. I'm sure they don't appreciate being interrupted.

 

Beach? I need a more suitable outfit before I try that. Not to mention the ones I want already have a male on the side.

 

Maybe for you. For most men, it's about looks. Most men who are a 6 will take a woman who is a 6 because it's hard work for them to get an equal.

 

Here's the problem.

 

There is FAR less males that would be graded as an 8 than there are women who would be graded as an 8.

 

I seen a ton of females (like 20-25) over a week that I would grade as very attractive, willing to sleep with. Easily an 8/10 or better in my eyes.

 

Males? I only find maybe 5 tops over a week where I can just say that either he is already married or he will eventually find a woman worthy of his looks and success. I just don't see him staying single unless he chose to be.

 

This is why you see average males with above-average women most of the time. There is simply way too many above-average looking women to share around. Some eventually have to look elsewhere. Fortunately, women in general is not drawn out by looks (unlike the males) so that actually works pretty well to their advantage.

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This is just a great thread. It tells the truth as it is.

 

Here's my TRUTH STATEMENT again.

 

Women do not like 99.9876% of men. If they're married or into relationships with them it's because they were convinced somehow. or by the guy's wallet.

 

Like when you go to Cafes or whatever. who do you see the women talking to? The hot playboys. of course!!!

 

If you see them with average/below average guys it's cause those guys are either coworkers or just friends WHO they would never be in a relationship with.

 

Women see men as below them. As monkeys. As apes. You even hear it how much women hate men, over and over in dramas, shows, real life,

 

and then women say great things about how women are so beautiful. You never hear a comment about an average guy like that.

 

What needs to happen?

Well women need to be nicer. Stop thinking about the wallet, and start looking at the guys heart. Yea he might be a failure, yeah he might have a low wage job , yeah he might not be romantic, he might be nerdy and clumsy, so what????

 

Start damn accepting people!

If i'm ugly and i approach you and i nicely say hi, be nice and respond.

 

Dude, I'm saying this for your own good.

 

This is BS... I started highlighting the most ridiculous parts but I felt I was highlighting the whole thing.

 

The problem is not your looks, the problem is your entire attitude. "Ugly" guys with hot girlfriends, as you call it, is not because they are a friend... it's because the guy is a quality guy, probably has his life together, doesn't go on forums posting this BS about women and probably has a very healthy attidue towards the opposite sex and is able to be fun and spark some really good emotions in them by being such a great guy.

 

The size of a guys wallet doesn't matter a damn. I will never agree to hear an arguement against that. Guys who try to buy love usually en up alone. They are compensating for something if they NEED to keep buying her stuff to keep her around.

 

Overall man, it's your attitude. I mean, how are you approaching women? You said in other threads you are resigned to being alone? Yet here you are saying you are approaching girls in coffee shops?

 

So how many have you approached this week? And what did you do? What did you/they say? Where they sitting/in line? Alone or with friends?

I'm serious... tell me all the details and lets break down the interaction and find a way to improve upon it next time. Let us help you.

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