Emilia Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 The only reason you guys get so bent out of shape is because not knowing a woman's age makes it tougher for you to lie about your intentions and motives... and that is why you are so upset. How does that follow? When a man wants to exploit a woman he looks for signs of her insecurities/low self-esteem. Heck, he might even pretend he doesn't care about his age. Why would not knowing her age make it tougher? It's not like it's hard to guess whether someone is 18, 30 or 40. Link to post Share on other sites
SJC2008 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 The only reason you guys get so bent out of shape is because not knowing a woman's age makes it tougher for you to lie about your intentions and motives... and that is why you are so upset. I think a user would be less inclined to deal break a woman over an immature lie. Why would he care how old she is if he's going to use her? As if her age is gonna matter to what "category" he'll pu her in. A user will lead anyone on, why do you not realize or admit that? To make all these assumptions about men over our logical reasoning that it's immature for a woman to lie about her age is mind boggling. Link to post Share on other sites
FitChick Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Your friend sounds like a real winner......... I bet he wonders why he is still single......... He's been married twice and said he was "too honest" with the exes so learned his lesson! Link to post Share on other sites
RedRobin Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I never said anything about men, hell this thread isn't even about men:laugh: What I said directly applies to men as well though. Anyone who gets that offended or upset at the thought of aging usually has nothing to offer outside of their looks so their scared they're losing their only asset. I'm not mad at them, but I call it like I see it. ... fair enough... however, my observation is that men deal with their own fears of aging by dumping on women about hers... Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 He's been married twice and said he was "too honest" with the exes so learned his lesson! What he was "too honest" about makes all the difference in the world. It is no better if he does the things that cause problems and lies about them. Link to post Share on other sites
e40 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Yep. Most people don't have a habit of asking about things that aren't important to them. Most single guys don't respect women at all... that's the problem. No. Sometimes very important things are asked about and sometimes unimportant things. No again. Some single guys don't respect women, but not a majority. Link to post Share on other sites
pbjbear Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 OK... I have my own litmus test then. Must not be obsessed with looks or age in order to move onto other considerations with me... and the only way he can prove that to me is by not asking. I love you RedRobin! This litmus test has been part of my new standards this past year I did of dating...did not work out with many potential suitors though. Ill be single for awhile Link to post Share on other sites
pbjbear Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 When some women are so afraid of aging due to losing their looks it tells me that they don't believe they have much to offer beside that Sometimes, but often its because she is surrounded by men that value her only for her looks. If men valued women for things other than their looks, this problem wouldnt exist. There are exceptions but for every guy who is respectful there are 5 guys who arent and see women as commodities. Shame because they ruin it for the few good ones left Link to post Share on other sites
Lonely Ronin Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Sometimes, but often its because she is surrounded by men that value her only for her looks. If men valued women for things other than their looks, this problem wouldnt exist. There are exceptions but for every guy who is respectful there are 5 guys who arent and see women as commodities. Shame because they ruin it for the few good ones left IMO, it becomes a problem when she assumes we are all that way, even though she knows we aren't. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Author irc333 Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 I love you RedRobin! This litmus test has been part of my new standards this past year I did of dating...did not work out with many potential suitors though. Ill be single for awhile Not too worry, that'll be enough motivation to reconsider that whole, silly "litmus test" thing. Sorry, but sometimes one needs a better type of test, if any. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 There is a big difference between being interested in age and looks (most on this thread are), and being obsessed with age and looks (far fewer). 1 Link to post Share on other sites
e40 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Sometimes, but often its because she is surrounded by men that value her only for her looks. If men valued women for things other than their looks, this problem wouldnt exist. There are exceptions but for every guy who is respectful there are 5 guys who arent and see women as commodities. Shame because they ruin it for the few good ones left It's nowhere close to that. A lot of men value women for things other than their looks. Way too many women spend time on dates bashing their exes and men in general and some go so far as to tell me I'll be like that too. I have sympathy but there comes a point where enough is enough. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Lonely Ronin Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Way too many women spend time on dates bashing their exes and men in general and some go so far as to tell me I'll be like that too. I have sympathy but there comes a point where enough is enough. I have only had this(openly bashing men) happen to me once while on a date. Was watching a movies(cant remember what it was) at her place, and we where discussing it as we watched. A seen came up where a guy was being a real d-bag, and she said "all guys are lead around by their Dic**" and I was like what? After a little back and forth It became apparent that she meant it, so i got up put my coat on and walked towards the door. From behind i hear "what are you doing", I turned around looked at her, and said "you're right we are, and mine is leading me home, good night". Needless to say we didn't last very long after that. Edited February 22, 2013 by Lonely Ronin 2 Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I have only had this(openly bashing men) happen to me once while on a date. Was watching a movies(cant remember what it was) at her place, and we where discussing it as we watched. A seen came up where a guy was being a real d-bag, and she said "all guys are lead around by their Dic**" and I was like what? After a little back and forth It became apparent that she meant it, so i got up put my coat on and walked towards the door. From behind i hear "what are you doing", I turned around looked at her, and said "you're right we are, and mine is leading me home, good night". Needless to say we didn't last very long after that. Wow, rock on. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Even when I was at my most bitter even I had the sense not to bash women on dates. Who does that and expects to actually get a second date? Link to post Share on other sites
RedRobin Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 IMO, it becomes a problem when she assumes we are all that way, even though she knows we aren't. Sorry... do the math. The majority of criminals, alcoholics, addicts, pedophiles, etc are men... not to mention the garden variety deadbeats, users, and commitment phobes. Just because statistically you can say that ALL men aren't like that (DUH!) doesn't entitle you to having women drop their filters just to make things easy for YOU. Lucky you... all you need to do to 'sort' effectively is go on looks and age. And you are pissed that I'm suggesting women don't make that easy for you. Like you actually have to get to know her or maybe state your preferences first... like that is SOOOO difficult. Jeez. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Like you actually have to get to know her or maybe state your preferences first... like that is SOOOO difficult. Jeez. If your age is within their stated preferences, do you then share your age? Anyway----first, second---it should just be one fluid conversation. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Sorry... do the math. The majority of criminals, alcoholics, addicts, pedophiles, etc are men... not to mention the garden variety deadbeats, users, and commitment phobes. Just because statistically you can say that ALL men aren't like that (DUH!) doesn't entitle you to having women drop their filters just to make things easy for YOU. Lucky you... all you need to do to 'sort' effectively is go on looks and age. And you are pissed that I'm suggesting women don't make that easy for you. Like you actually have to get to know her or maybe state your preferences first... like that is SOOOO difficult. Jeez. Pedophiles I will say that is true but there are plenty of women who have serious substance abuse issues. Look at all the women recently who have had these issues and some who have even died from them. Lindsey Lohan Mindy Mcready Whitney Houston Amy Winehouse There are plenty more. Addiction does not discriminate. There are also plenty of women who don't want commitment. Plenty. I would say it is actually pretty even these days. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
e40 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Sorry... do the math. The majority of criminals, alcoholics, addicts, pedophiles, etc are men... not to mention the garden variety deadbeats, users, and commitment phobes. Just because statistically you can say that ALL men aren't like that (DUH!) doesn't entitle you to having women drop their filters just to make things easy for YOU. Lucky you... all you need to do to 'sort' effectively is go on looks and age. And you are pissed that I'm suggesting women don't make that easy for you. Like you actually have to get to know her or maybe state your preferences first... like that is SOOOO difficult. Jeez. It's no easier for men, especially when some women blame all men for the behavior of their exes. There's no sort by personality and there's no hosnesty check. I have had it up to here with women who blame all men for the actions of some men. Link to post Share on other sites
e40 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Pedophiles I will say that is true but there are plenty of women who have serious substance abuse issues. Look at all the women recently who have had these issues and some who have even died from them. It doesn't matter. She can list ways in which guys are worse and then some guy can list ways in which women are worse. Why can't more people look at the individual person? Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 It doesn't matter. She can list ways in which guys are worse and then some guy can list ways in which women are worse. Why can't more people look at the individual person? I agree. I used to think the same way about women and and it never made me happy. I have to admit that sometimes I mentally have to slap myself in the face when I feel myself falling back into old feelings but there is not way you can say half the population is one way. Link to post Share on other sites
RedRobin Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 It's no easier for men, especially when some women blame all men for the behavior of their exes. There's no sort by personality and there's no hosnesty check. I have had it up to here with women who blame all men for the actions of some men. Me too... I've gone on plenty of dates that started out well and the guy said "I'll never get married again! Not letting anyone rip me off like that again!" That's the end of it for me... ...have had too many of those kind of dates after sharing my age and they size me up like a prized heffer... then telling me how 'hot' I am and how I don't look my age... blah blah. Like I care. All I'm thinking is 'wow... we could be talking about a bazillion other things besides my age and looks... but bozo here couldn't be more UNcreative" 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RedRobin Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 If your age is within their stated preferences, do you then share your age? Depends, but usually, yes. Then that starts a whole retarded chain of talk about age and looks... and how much younger I look than my age... blah blah. and we end up on this sh*tty superficial path of discussion that usually ends up with me thinking the guy is an idiot or just doesn't have that much to talk about. Seriously... can't you guys come up with anything else interesting to talk about and ask someone? Is it really that difficult? Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 A good conversation takes two! Link to post Share on other sites
RedRobin Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Clarification... I'm not the one who starts the conversation about looks and age... the guys do. The more they talk about my age and how 'hot' I am... the more retarded I think they are... and it all starts with stupid, ungraceful questions asking how old I am. So, I don't tell them. Ends that line of conversation. If he persists, then he's REAALLY clueless. Link to post Share on other sites
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