What happens when you die?

[Touch_of_Naughtiness]

What do you think happens when you die? You are gone forever? You reincarnate? You go to heaven? etc. I am soooooo confused when it comes to this topic and I want to see if some of you think like I do.

[UCFKevin]

Worms eat your face.

[Touch_of_Naughtiness]

euck

 

Well I did not mean physically, but thanks for the picture

[UCFKevin]

Well, obviously, no one knows, but I don't really believe in reincarnation. Although sometimes I feel like I've done things before and been to places before and can't quite put my finger on it. De ja vu. I dunno. Odd.

 

I HOPE there's a heaven. A hell? I dunno. The problem is, what kind of all loving God would send his children to eternal damnation? Kinda rotten. Maybe there's like heaven, and a REALLY boring place, like limbo or something.

[Moose]

Obvioiusly I'm not dead, and hopefully won't be for a long time. I want to at least hold my grandchild someday. I'm going to tell you what I believe happens, and I know I'll probably get some people all riled up.

 

We are living in a host. Your physical body is just a shell for your soul. We are the only animals that laugh, did you know that? We are the only animals that are able to build machines to better our life. We are the only animals capable of communicating with each other by way of writing. I know a lot of people on here don't believe there is a God, how can this be true when we are able to do all these things that no other animal can. Don't even try to tell me it was evolution, we're too dang smart to of come from a monkey. Besides, there are still monkeys and gorillas. If we were transformed into the homo sapians we are today, how come the other monkeys and gorillas are still monkeys and gorillas? So with that being said, we are the only animals with a soul. A GOD given soul.

 

When we die, or pass on, we leave our shell behind. We then are in a place of judgement. We will sit in a room and watch our previous life play back with heavenly hosts present. Once our entire life has been reviewed, it's judgement time. If anywhere in your life the hosts see that you've been saved and accepted the blood atonement for your sins, you would be considered clean and white as snow and will be able to be present with God.

 

Kevin asked how could a loving God let his children go to hell. Simple. God can not be in the presence of sin. That's the very reason why Jesus had to die for us. If you didn't accept the free gift that God gave you, then He has no choice but to reject your entry. No sin can be present in heaven.

 

I'm also looking into, along with my Father-in-Law, about if your purpose in life hasn't been fullfilled, for whatever reason, does God send send us back to finish the job set before us? I know, I know, doesn't make much sense. But like I said, we're still studying on that one.

 

Once we are in heaven, it's not going to be like hanging around talking to other beings all day and night. We will have specific jobs assigned to us. We will also have our own area. My brother-in-law said that in his studies, he's found that area to be around 3 square miles with your own dwelling place.

 

We'll only be there for a short time. When Jesus returns to earth, we will go with Him and rule over all the earth for 1,000 years. Then, everything gets totally wiped out, destroyed, and recreated. ( We'll be back in Heaven until the new earth is ready ). After all this happens, we will return to earth and live in glorified bodies that never tire or hunger. The sheep will lay next to the lion. The lion will eat straw like the cattle. Children will play next to the cobra hole. All creatures will live together in absolute peace.

 

Well, I know that was a trip to read. But that's my take and that's what's been promised to us Christians from God Himself. I may not of gotten everything down perfectly, but it's as close as I can get without my wife standing behind me and correcting me......

[loveregardless]

we did evolve. not only that, but there were many other human-like species of mammals that could think and write and had art, long before humans arrived. for instance, neandrathals were not human, and lived long before us, and yet they believe that they mated with some of the first humans and that is why humans became artistic, etc. but i'm not getting into an evolution discussion. I believe completely in God, but I don't believe that God created humans to rule the world. Every animal, plant, etc. on this earth is a constantly evolving, maturing and changing, and all things eventually cease to live a physical life. but physical life is only so important, because we fail to see beyond that with our physical eyes. there is so much more to life, to real existence then most humans can see or comprehend. it is only when you start seeing with your heart, start seeing what you feel as the real reality, that the idea of death will begin to mean something much more than the word implies. and i completely believe in reincarnation, in karma, in angels, in spirits, in mother earth...in everything. i believe in everything except that this is IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[loveregardless]

once i was taking a comparative religion class, that was taught be a professor who was quite possibly the most brialliant man I have ever met or ever will. he has worked very closely with a famous scientist names David Bohm (not sure on the spelling but you can search his name online and find out all you would like to know). anyway, the main point is that my professor once told is that the most typical experiance described by those who have near death or out of body experiances is that of a life review that far exceeds our normal expectations of such an event. He says that you are shown every moment of your entire life, and that you literally RELIVE every experiance to its fullest, and not only that, but that you subsequently FEEL everything that your actions/life caused for every person that you came into contact with, and that you feel what they caused for whoever they came into contact with, etc. and so on, endlessly. you feel everything that you ever caused anyone else to feel and how that in turn effected everyone and everything in the world. (and subsequently the idea of time is only a physical reality and once your existance is no longer physical time no longer exists) think about what that really means. kind of puts a new spin on the idea of hell. maybe you create your own hell. maybe that life review is everyones own personal heaven/hell. what will your life review show you?!

[Moose]

Interesting concepts......kinda out there, but interesting. Isn't cool to hear other what other people think? One thing I couldn't quite grasp is this:

 

we did evolve. not only that, but there were many other human-like species of mammals that could think and write and had art, long before humans arrived. for instance, neandrathals were not human, and lived long before us, and yet they believe that they mated with some of the first humans and that is why humans became artistic, etc.

 

They mated with some of the first humans? Then were did the first humans come from? I don't understand that one at all. If evolution is true, they say the neandrathals were part of that chain.....so isn't this a new concept that they were animals that mated with humans? I don't get it.

 

You have some good points about re living your life, I believe that does happen. And your last question got me to thinking. If I have to go through all the pain and suffering I caused on others, man, that's gonna hurt!!!

[loveregardless]

about the specifics of the whole neandrathal and prehuman stuff. but I have just seen and read a lot of stuff (like on the history channel, etc.) about it. I'm certainly no scientist, don't get me wrong. But the specific situation I was talking about is just about as confusing as it sounds coming from me, as it was when I heard it. But the fact that there were prehuman species of similar intelligence is true. they have skulls and skeletons of "people" types that range over different time periods, where each species had thier time, and then became extinct, with the whole process repeating itself until WE arrived. Human beings got too smart for their own good is what happened. As much as none of us want to relaize it, we are just another animal on this planet, a mammal specifically, that shares the majority of its genes with the rest of the species in this group. I'm not saying we evolved from monkeys. We evolved from our prehistoric selves however, that is very true. I know alot of people have a hard time dealing with "out there" concepts, but they are the only ones that seem to truly make sense to me. Honestly, I am not attacking Christianity, but it has only been a religion for a few thousand years (world is millions of years old). Humans are many many thousands of years old. Jesus wasn't Christian, and Jesus never intended to start a religion of any kind, he was a devout Jew. There is no debate that Jesus was a real man who was extrmemely enlightened, but so was Buddah, so was Ghandi, was Krishnamurti, and countless other people before and since (every psychic on the planet, every monk, etc.). I think Jesus would be appalled at the things that are done in his name, all the while, Jesus never wanted to be WORSHIPED. He worshiped GOD. I just think that in an attempt to find absolute truths and definite answers the world has missed some VERY BIG POINTS. And as far as my ideas about "spirits" and "nature" being "out there", keep in mind that all major religions and cultures for thousands and thousands of years,before Christianity was even a thought, put great emphasis on nature, spirits, our ancestors and maintaing a balance and reverance for all life. All life!!!!!! Not human life! All life!! Not animal life!! All life!!! Life is already over for most humans, because for most of them it has never begun.

[loveregardless]

I was trying to find useful web sites with scientific information regarding the tpoic of neandrathals and other prehuman sepcies and so far this one is the most useful

http://www.esimpletech.com/origins/index2.asp

 

don't know if anyone really cares or not. just trying to be helpful.

[Touch_of_Naughtiness]

I believe in God 100% as well, but I just feel that once you die that's it, you're done with. I went to a pastor once and asked him how could I be sure that we will have an after life once we die, he just told me to have faith. I am the type of person that needs facts I cannot just go by a word; so that left me wondering if it's true that one day we will live forever. I doubt it, but that's why I want to hear different opinions.

[Moose]

K, I'm cofused once again.....you said you believe in God 100% even though you can't see or touch Him, which means you have faith of his exsitance, but you don't have faith in life after death? You're taking someone's word that there is a God, how come life after death is so hard to swallow?

[Touch_of_Naughtiness]

Originally posted by Moose

K, I'm cofused once again.....you said you believe in God 100% even though you can't see or touch Him, which means you have faith of his exsitance, but you don't have faith in life after death? You're taking someone's word that there is a God, how come life after death is so hard to swallow?

 

The reason that I do believe in God is because of personal things I have experienced. When I was 12 my mom got cancer and the day that she passed away I went to sleep crying right before it happened. I saw everything that was going to happen before it did and it was a way out experience. It made me calm and take my mother's death more lightly and stronger than I would have been able to. I lived her death before it happened and in some ways that made it easier for me even though now a days it's not that easy. I feel that it was God's way of showing me he was there. That has always somehow reassured me that he is there.

 

When it comes to life after death it's hard for me to believe, because for years and years people have said that God is coming and up to now nothing has happened. I just can't seem to believe that there is life after death even though I want so hard to believe it.

[HokeyReligions]

Originally posted by UCFKevin

Worms eat your face.

 

 

Not if you're cremated.

[HokeyReligions]

Originally posted by Moose

Obvioiusly I'm not dead, and hopefully won't be for a long time. I want to at least hold my grandchild someday. I'm going to tell you what I believe happens, and I know I'll probably get some people all riled up.

 

We are living in a host. Your physical body is just a shell for your soul. We are the only animals that laugh, did you know that?

 

No, there are many other animals that laugh. Many with a sense of humor. It was once believed that no other animals had emotions. It has since been shown that they do indeed have the same emotions that humans do. They express them differently is all.

[loveregardless]

when you are looking at it from the wrong direction. You are not only this physical body and an individual consciousness, you are, were and always will be a part of everything, a universal consciousness, a higher existence. What you see as reality now is limited by physicality, the theory of time and the idea of physical birth and death. you don't remember anything from "before" you were in this physical body because the process of being physically born is absolutely tragic in comparison to physical death. Death is merely a leaving behind of this physical body, and returning to the collective consciousness, the ulitimate existence of TRUE REALITY. When you stop thinking that the physical world is the true reality, then you will undertand better. We are all here because at one point our spirit made a decision or had a purpose for being here, as it has probably many times before, and will many times again. Death is not the end hun. Death is the beginning, but because THIS is all we can remember, this is all we think is real. we are sadly mistaken. no religion can offer you all the answers, no doctrine is going to explain away your curiosity, and no priest/monk/spirit guide is going to develope your spirituality for you. each of us is on a seperate yet identical journey towards full consciousness, and we must arrive there on our own. not sure if this is something you would even remotely consider, but have you ever heard of shamanism?! of the intentional entering into an altered state of conciousness with the intent at encountering some sort of enlightenment, either through ritual drumming, chanting, hypnotism, or use of ethnobotanicals!? just ANOTHER idea to throw out there to make everyone think I'm even crazier! But it doesn't bother me that everyone thinks I'm crazy...because I think everyone else is crazy so I guess we're even. sounds mostly to me like you need to do some philosophical and spiritual research and some real self analysis. you may not find all the answers your looking for, but if you don't look, you won't find anything.

 

stop looking at everything with your eyes.

[HokeyReligions]

Originally posted by Touch_of_Naughtiness

What do you think happens when you die? You are gone forever? You reincarnate? You go to heaven? etc. I am soooooo confused when it comes to this topic and I want to see if some of you think like I do.

 

I think we cease to exist - just as before we were born. I think that maybe we leave some kind of energy signal behind that may last for an instant or eternity. I think that the human brain is capable of every creating every occurrence that has been attributed to a diety or an alien! Including miracles and precognition and deja vu. We just don't know how the brain functions yet. Our scientists mapping of the brain and understand of its functions is still in its infancy. There is so much we don't know and I think as a species we have assigned much of the unknown to a diety in our effort to undertand. That's why we have religious beliefs that include life-after-death scenarios and have created lavish and extensive burial rituals.

[HokeyReligions]

Originally posted by loveregardless

when you are looking at it from the wrong direction. You are not only this physical body and an individual consciousness, you are, were and always will be a part of everything, a universal consciousness, a higher existence. What you see as reality now is limited by physicality, the theory of time and the idea of physical birth and death. you don't remember anything from "before" you were in this physical body because the process of being physically born is absolutely tragic in comparison to physical death. Death is merely a leaving behind of this physical body, and returning to the collective consciousness, the ulitimate existence of TRUE REALITY. When you stop thinking that the physical world is the true reality, then you will undertand better. We are all here because at one point our spirit made a decision or had a purpose for being here, as it has probably many times before, and will many times again. Death is not the end hun. Death is the beginning, but because THIS is all we can remember, this is all we think is real. we are sadly mistaken. no religion can offer you all the answers, no doctrine is going to explain away your curiosity, and no priest/monk/spirit guide is going to develope your spirituality for you. each of us is on a seperate yet identical journey towards full consciousness, and we must arrive there on our own. not sure if this is something you would even remotely consider, but have you ever heard of shamanism?! of the intentional entering into an altered state of conciousness with the intent at encountering some sort of enlightenment, either through ritual drumming, chanting, hypnotism, or use of ethnobotanicals!? just ANOTHER idea to throw out there to make everyone think I'm even crazier! But it doesn't bother me that everyone thinks I'm crazy...because I think everyone else is crazy so I guess we're even. sounds mostly to me like you need to do some philosophical and spiritual research and some real self analysis. you may not find all the answers your looking for, but if you don't look, you won't find anything.

 

stop looking at everything with your eyes.

 

I have heard of this and explored it a bit. I don't follow it, but it's not too uncommon a belief. Very interesting to read about. You explained it well. Thanks

[Touch_of_Naughtiness]

Originally posted by loveregardless

no religion can offer you all the answers, no doctrine is going to explain away your curiosity, and no priest/monk/spirit guide is going to develope your spirituality for you. each of us is on a seperate yet identical journey towards full consciousness, and we must arrive there on our own. not sure if this is something you would even remotely consider, but have you ever heard of shamanism?! of the intentional entering into an altered state of conciousness with the intent at encountering some sort of enlightenment, either through ritual drumming, chanting, hypnotism, or use of ethnobotanicals!? just ANOTHER idea to throw out there to make everyone think I'm even crazier! But it doesn't bother me that everyone thinks I'm crazy...because I think everyone else is crazy so I guess we're even. sounds mostly to me like you need to do some philosophical and spiritual research and some real self analysis. you may not find all the answers your looking for, but if you don't look, you won't find anything.

 

stop looking at everything with your eyes.

 

Well I don't think you're crazy.

 

What exactly is shamanism? I am willing to try anything that will help me understand better what happens after death. What are ethnobotanicals?

 

It saddens me sometimes to think that there might be no life after this one because that will mean that I will never see my mom again.

 

At times I say forget about what people think is right because I don't know if this is my only life and I am wasting it on trying to be "sinless" and good so that I can go to heaven one day, but what if it's just a waste of time? What if we sacrifice ourselves sometimes for something that's not even going to happen?

[Touch_of_Naughtiness]

Originally posted by HokeyReligions

I think we cease to exist - just as before we were born.

 

This is exactly what I think. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

[Artifact]

Originally posted by Moose

We are living in a host. Your physical body is just a shell for your soul. We are the only animals that laugh, did you know that? We are the only animals that are able to build machines to better our life. We are the only animals capable of communicating with each other by way of writing. I know a lot of people on here don't believe there is a God, how can this be true when we are able to do all these things that no other animal can. Don't even try to tell me it was evolution, we're too dang smart to of come from a monkey. Besides, there are still monkeys and gorillas. If we were transformed into the homo sapians we are today, how come the other monkeys and gorillas are still monkeys and gorillas? So with that being said, we are the only animals with a soul. A GOD given soul.

 

Hey Moose, why do you think animals don't have God given souls? I'm a little confused on the soul thing... Why do you think God has us live with animals?

[loveregardless]

so to plants, so do rocks, so does the earth in its entirety. A soul is just a word that means "spirit" and EVERYTHING has a spirit. I will never understand why people think that they are God's gift to the world. Homo sapiens have wrecked, ravaged and raped...yes, RAPED this earth that we were gifted upon in the last few centuries. Before humans at least knew better, they lived in unison with the earth and with all life, but not anymore...oh no...we're king sh*t now right. not only are we top species, but here in America we're top HUMANS, too. Disgusting!

[Fayebelle]

I don't KNOW what happens when you die. That's why I concentrate on enjoying life to it's fullest, trying to raise my (future) children as best I can, and trying to make as many contributions as possible. Hopefully - here on Earth- I will be immortal. Thinking that way makes death a little less scary for me.

[loveregardless]

that's a great philosophy faye. even though I've done a lot of spiritual research and come to be quite more comfortable than I was before, I'm still afraid of death. I don't think it's truly possible to ever NOt be. Mostly I am sad to think of leaving the people that we come to love so much while we are in this "physical" body. That is the only attatchment to this world for me. I once read a theory about reincarnation that said that the same "souls" wind up being a part of your next life and family as well, just playing different roles. That weirds me out too though. I love my (future husband) boyfriend so much and I cannot stand the idea of being seperated from him. I just hope that our souls can find each other in the next life, or after this life, too. =)

[HokeyReligions]

Originally posted by Artifact

Hey Moose, why do you think animals don't have God given souls? I'm a little confused on the soul thing... Why do you think God has us live with animals?

 

There are some faiths (in Christianity too I think) that do not believe that animals have souls and that they were created to serve mankind, and not that mankind somehow won the dominance over the animals through natrual evolution of society and civilization.

 

I'm sure some of the other more religiously learned on the board can point to specifics.

 

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As for humans ravaging the planet, well I have heard people speak on both sides of the issue. Humans are parasites on the planet because of the various forms of pollution, to simply calling it all progress. I like the progress definition better.

 

The planet is pretty resilient---its the life forms on it that grow and diminish in population over time for a variety of reasons, not all of which are self induced. The planet will end some day when the sun burns out. I wonder what kind of life forms (if any) will exist on the planet at that time? I doubt if they will be human as we know humans today.