An ironic thing I've noticed on LS

[Lonely Ronin]

I'd certainly rather put up with having to sort through a buch of women and weeding out stage 5 clingers and crazy bitches to find a good one. INSTEAD of having to settle for a stage 5 clinger or bitch on wheels becuase no other woman will like me. Like I said, the more options the more of a chance of success.

 

I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, but I have one thing for you to ponder.

 

Would you still be so enthusiastic, if every person you rejected was substantially stronger than you, and could easily harm you if they so desired?

[Lonely Ronin]

It works like this: men want women who they come into close contact with. This includes friends and acquaintances. Men also want women outside of their proximity, but men are more likely to be attracted to women that they interact with daily or occasionally.

 

This is so off base, it's not even funny.

[Lonely Ronin]

I believe that most girls think male attention is generally just friendly banter. Seriously, if you do not put out a sexual vibe or anything of the sort, women will believe that you are talking to them just to talk.

let me give you some perspective. I'm most likely 10 years older than you, and I'm sure i have dated more. If your actually interested in a woman all you need to do is be nice, and ask her questions that show you want know who she is as a person. if she doesn't know you, and your talking to her, she will automatically assume you find her attractive.

 

I don't even approach women and I know that both of those are rookie moves. Infact, I consider myself a rookie and I wouldn't even do that. Who does that? I can't believe people do that...

Guys, who only want sex, or guys who don't know how to talk to women.

[Fallen Petals]

Why do women try to play dumb when they say "Admirers? Where? *looks around*"? Most women, if they have male "friends" have several that want to be with them in some way, shape, or form, even if they don't outwardly express it. Most males who have female friends don't have that because female attraction doesn't look at average males. Most average guys just don't have female admirers on the scope that the average women does.

 

It works like this: men want women who they come into close contact with. This includes friends and acquaintances. Men also want women outside of their proximity, but men are more likely to be attracted to women that they interact with daily or occasionally. Women want men that they don't interact with as much. Men who are outside their social circle or men who are generally inaccessible. Is it any secret that taken men get more attention from women than single men? Is it any wonder why men who are top-tier males get more attention than their average counterparts?

 

Enough of this playing dumb. It's irritating.

 

So not true. I have had my fair share of male friends and they did NOT want more than friendship from me. I have also encountered men who DID want more than friendship from me - there is a distinct difference in the approach. I have one admirer that I am aware of and he lives thousands of miles away and still wants me based on the girl he went to high school with - evidently I'm his "one that got away". In truth - he doesn't know me well enough now to honestly say he wants me - he wants the girl he knew ages ago.

 

So - again I ask, these droves of admirers?? Where are they?? That's not playing dumb, that's just saying if there are enough to go around, send some my way!!

[Lonely Ronin]

No, you just say that it's off base so that you can appear to be right.

 

No, Men don't act this way, boys who have never made it past the early teens OMG she is hot phase act like this.

[iKING]

So not true. I have had my fair share of male friends and they did NOT want more than friendship from me. I have also encountered men who DID want more than friendship from me - there is a distinct difference in the approach. I have one admirer that I am aware of and he lives thousands of miles away and still wants me based on the girl he went to high school with - evidently I'm his "one that got away". In truth - he doesn't know me well enough now to honestly say he wants me - he wants the girl he knew ages ago.

 

So - again I ask, these droves of admirers?? Where are they?? That's not playing dumb, that's just saying if there are enough to go around, send some my way!!

 

It's raining men!

Hallejulah,

It's raining men!

[SJC2008]

I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, but I have one thing for you to ponder.

 

Would you still be so enthusiastic, if every person you rejected was substantially stronger than you, and could easily harm you if they so desired?

 

I understand what your saying but it seems like you're trying to say that a woman having options is as bad as a man with no options becuase she has to worry about her safety. That may not be your intention but that's the way it's coming accross to me.

 

Yes attractive women have to put up with cat calls and guys like the one in the bar that you wrote of but the trade off is worth it in that they have plenty of options and a higher chance of meeting someone they like, especially someone they're attracted to. I'm sure plenty of Hollywood stars hate the fact that they can't go into public becuase they'll get mobbed but will they trade their fame and fortune to go back to regular Janes and Joes? The majority wouldn't and you know that.

[Fallen Petals]

It's raining men!

Hallejulah,

It's raining men!

 

Oh wouldn't that be heavenly!

[ltjg45]

I mean honestly have you ever meet a woman that you thought could physically over power you?

 

Quite a few, actually.

 

My arms is like limbs off of a tree. Any females who did strength training won't have much issues breaking me down if she wanted to.

 

That is scary to think about given the scenario.

 

Not to mention I don't give off the vibe that I would overpower her for any reason (even if I wanted to). I would sooner walk away from the situation before I put my hand on a female that has no interest in me.

 

After all, I don't want women to be afraid of me. To think that they have to keep their guard up when I approach is disturbing and, yet, another reason why I'm not so quick to do so, even if I'm interested.

[iKING]

Oh wouldn't that be heavenly!

 

That, would be a sausage fest.

[Kamille]

Yes attractive women have to put up with cat calls and guys like the one in the bar that you wrote of but the trade off is worth it in that they have plenty of options and a higher chance of meeting someone they like, especially someone they're attracted to. I'm sure plenty of Hollywood stars hate the fact that they can't go into public becuase they'll get mobbed but will they trade their fame and fortune to go back to regular Janes and Joes? The majority wouldn't and you know that.

 

Ah! So we are talking about attractive women. So not all women have this privilege of drowning in male attention. Gotcha. No wait... So, then, what's the point of the thread again?

 

Also, I wonder, who do these women pair off with? The math just doesn't add up.

If women have more options, and eventually meet a guy they like, then it follows that one guy had her as an option.

[dreamingoftigers]

Many admirers? Where?

 

Right here....oh wait.....out of context.....

[Lonely Ronin]

I understand what your saying but it seems like you're trying to say that a woman having options is as bad as a man with no options becuase she has to worry about her safety. That may not be your intention but that's the way it's coming accross to me.

 

Yes attractive women have to put up with cat calls and guys like the one in the bar that you wrote of but the trade off is worth it in that they have plenty of options and a higher chance of meeting someone they like, especially someone they're attracted to. I'm sure plenty of Hollywood stars hate the fact that they can't go into public becuase they'll get mobbed but will they trade their fame and fortune to go back to regular Janes and Joes? The majority wouldn't and you know that.

 

What I'm saying, is you're not seeing it from a woman's point of view(or so it seems). I have several very attractive female friends, and almost every single one, would rather have less 'options', because simply put they don't want to deal with the negative side effects of having several 'options'.

[Lonely Ronin]

If that was the case, I'd have so many girls it would be ridiculous.

 

Ok, then lets hear some questions you asked, and give some context if you would please.

[dreamingoftigers]

This is the biggest part right there.

 

I was just thinking about that while in Wal-Mart today after looking at a popular magazine concerning a male attractive virgin bachelor having to choose between 2 attractive females, which bugs me in a way since I don't have the looks like he does, even if I do fix myself up to actually look better.

 

To him, being a virgin makes him even more attractive along with his looks. To me, being a virgin is another strike against me and will keep me single throughout the rest of my days since the average/attractive females want average/attractive males with sexual experience, regardless of their background.

 

It feels like I already lost the war before I even stepped on the battlefield.

 

That is REALLY not universal.

 

Or else a HUGE percentage of guys would be lifelong virgins.

 

I prefer virgins. Always have (even before converting to a religion) If I was single, I'd probably go on a "de-virgin the next five guys tour."

 

Well, after I renounced my religion and somehow became completely uninhibited with no regrets. And barren.

[Fallen Petals]

Well, consider yourself an exception. Most girls have male admirers within their social circle whether they know it or not.

 

So either I don't know it - or I got bashed pretty good with the ugly stick and have yet to realize just how badly. You're a prince. Thanks. I take it you have all the female attention you need then?

[SJC2008]

Ah! So we are talking about attractive women. So not all women have this privilege of drowning in male attention. Gotcha. No wait... So, then, what's the point of the thread again?

 

Also, I wonder, who do these women pair off with? The math just doesn't add up.

If women have more options, and eventually meet a guy they like, then it follows that one guy had her as an option.

 

Well the thread is a shallowness debate which steered into an option debate between me and another poster so I don't know what you're "busting" me about. And yes we are talking about attractive women here, it's in the OP isn't it? Here's the OP again just in case you forgot:

 

Just an observation.

 

Both men and women here complain about how the opposite sex is shallow and only cares about looks.

 

But the male posters here who complain about it are those who are unsuccessful and faced a lot of rejection in their life.

 

The female posters who complain about it have many male admirers and have described themselves as 'hot' and 'attractive' and in some cases have quite high physical standards themselves.

 

Interesting, huh?

[Kamille]

Well the thread is a shallowness debate which steered into an option debate between me and another poster so I don't know what you're "busting" me about. And yes we are talking about attractive women here, it's in the OP isn't it? Here's the OP again just in case you forgot:

 

Thanks for the clarification. Not all women are drowning in male attention. Only the attractive ones. Now what about the math conundrum?

 

Also, I wonder, who do these women pair off with? The math just doesn't add up.

If women have more options, and eventually meet a guy they like, then it follows that one guy had her as an option.

[SJC2008]

What I'm saying, is you're not seeing it from a woman's point of view(or so it seems). I have several very attractive female friends, and almost every single one, would rather have less 'options', because simply put they don't want to deal with the negative side effects of having several 'options'.

 

Contrary to what it may seem like I understand a woman's point of view in dealing with a bunch of unwanted attention 100%. My argument is that it seems like you're making it seem like the "cost" (unwatnted attention) of being attractive isn't worth the "gain" (attracting good looking men that they're attracted to). Sure your female friends may want to have less options so they don't get unwanted attention by pervs and jerks but if they got what they wished for and were knocked down a few points they'd sood realize they're not attracting the men THEY'RE attracted to and would realize they didn't have it to bad and would want to be back to where they were.

[SJC2008]

Thanks for the clarification. Not all women are drowning in male attention. Only the attractive ones. Now what about the math conundrum?

 

That's obvious and I never said that. There is no math conundrum, the more options you have the better chance at success you have. I'm an average/cute guy and I don't have many options IMO. Let me reiterate that I'm realistic and aren't holding out for a stunner. It's going to be harder for me to meet someone right for me because I'm not going to attract as many woman as a better looking man than me. I'm not going to marry the first woman who shows me attention. I want to meet a woman who has the same morals that I do and views how a relationship should work the same way I do so I can have a good relationship that could potentially lead to marriage. How many women am I going to have to date to meet her? 5? 10? 20? Well If I can only get 5 dates a year I shouldn't hold my breath should I?? Options!

[chex]

For some reason, attractive women try to make people feel sorry for them saying "woe is me, I only attract jerks and so and so". Most girls would KILL to be that chick.

 

It sort of reminds me of when the skinny girls say "ugh I'm so fat" ... while everyone says "awww you're not fat" the girls who actually are stand in silence and shame. It grinds my gears.

 

Note that I'm in high school so these girls are pretty immature.

[Kamille]

That's obvious and I never said that. There is no math conundrum, the more options you have the better chance at success you have. I'm an average/cute guy and I don't have many options IMO. Let me reiterate that I'm realistic and aren't holding out for a stunner. It's going to be harder for me to meet someone right for me because I'm not going to attract as many woman as a better looking man than me. I'm not going to marry the first woman who shows me attention. I want to meet a woman who has the same morals that I do and views how a relationship should work the same way I do so I can have a good relationship that could potentially lead to marriage. How many women am I going to have to date to meet her? 5? 10? 20? Well If I can only get 5 dates a year I shouldn't hold my breath should I?? Options!

 

So, let me make sure I get this straight. For you, the more attractive a woman is, the more options she has. I argue that these attractive woman are dating and attracted to other people. Therefore, somewhere, somehow, there's a group of men that have these attractive women as options. So this isn't about gender. Since we're talking about heterosexual relationships here, it follows that these women are pairing off with men. If A) Attractive women have more options it would also follow that B) so do attractive men. Or am I missing something?

 

But this means, in the end, it's just a numbers game for everyone. Not just guys.

[Lonely Ronin]

My argument is that it seems like you're making it seem like the "cost" (unwatnted attention) of being attractive isn't worth the "gain" (attracting good looking men that they're attracted to).

 

As my female friends would say they don't think the "gain" is as great as most guys, and for sure the guys on LS think. Because other than being pretty, they are still normal women. They don't have the assets that stars do to minimize the problem.

 

to avoid some of the unwanted attention, they do stuff like only go out in large or mixed groups, if they go out in small groups they will only go to really expensive bars, or gay bars.

[Lonely Ronin]

that alone will result in friendship. these days intense lust or chemistry are necessary for more.

 

Trust me, I actually know what I'm talking about. Knowing what & when to say it is very important.

[Lonely Ronin]

So this isn't about gender. Since we're talking about heterosexual relationships here, it follows that these women are pairing off with men. If A) Attractive women have more options it would also follow that B) so do attractive men. Or am I missing something?

 

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