This type of Job posting really gets under my skin

[PhillyDude]

Data Entry Job...................12 hours a week

 

Requirements....................Associate Degrees

 

 

HUH??

 

1. Why the hell would someone want a 12 hour a week job?

 

2. And they want a AA for a 12 hour job?

Edited March 13, 2013 by PhillyDude

[Got it]

If it is a part time job then that sounds appropriate. And yes an Associate degree may be useful for the position. Why does this cause you consternation?

[TaraMaiden]

Because he has neither a job, nor a degree.....

[PhillyDude]

If it is a part time job then that sounds appropriate. And yes an Associate degree may be useful for the position. Why does this cause you consternation?

 

 

Because lots of people who don't have a degree are being eliminated.

 

12 hour a week data entry job should not be asking for a 2 year degree

[TaraMaiden]

Until you know what the data consists of, you have no right to challenge an employer on the calibre of applicants they require.

 

It's an employer's market at the moment. (Actually, isn't it always....?)

 

Deal with it.

[Got it]

How do you know a degree isn't needed for the position? And it until lacking a degree is considered a protected class a company is more than welcome to use it as a barometer of their candidates.

 

There is some credence to the skills that an education can provide and that may play a factor here.

[PhillyDude]

Until you know what the data consists of, you have no right to challenge an employer on the calibre of applicants they require.

 

It's an employer's market at the moment. (Actually, isn't it always....?)

 

Deal with it.

 

 

The title of the job is "Database Assistant"

 

And that type of job should not require a degree.

[CarrieT]

PD, curious why are you reading job descriptions... Is your new job not going okay?

[Els]

Unfortunately I'd think that with your current economy (presuming you live in the USA), people with degrees who are out of a job will be queueing up outside their office to get that job, because at least it's a fairly cushy job that doesn't involve you being on your feet a lot or doing manual labour. So yes, they can do what they like, and you just have to deal with it. Given your age, citizenship, and the accessibility of part-time subsidized degree options that you have, I don't see what is preventing you from getting a degree either.

 

Also work with databases isn't necessarily data entry.

[TaraMaiden]

Who says 'It shouldn't'?

 

It does.

 

That's what the employer wants.

 

What are you going to do about it?

 

Anything?

 

Can you do anything about it?

 

No?

 

Then quit complaining about things over which you have no control.

It's unfortunate - but it is what it is.

 

Move on.

[PhillyDude]

PD, curious why are you reading job descriptions... Is your new job not going okay?

 

 

My job is helping people find jobs

[2sure]

If you have any experience in data entry or in any other field claiming they want an AS....apply for it, highlighting your experience and listing any other higher education or training as secondary .

 

An AS isnt much and I'd gamble that they would prefer experience and a decent reference.

[pink_sugar]

Data Entry Job...................12 hours a week

 

Requirements....................Associate Degrees

 

 

HUH??

 

1. Why the hell would someone want a 12 hour a week job?

 

2. And they want a AA for a 12 hour job?

 

I hear you.

 

What really gets me is:

 

 

Requirements......Bachelors Degree

 

1-2 years experience

 

Salary...........$10 an hour.

 

Or some combination thereof.

 

 

I do not go to school and have loan debt piled up to make barely more than minimum wage...sorry.

Edited March 14, 2013 by pink_sugar

[GravityMan]

It's still an employer's market out there. Tons of people applying for not very many available advertised jobs. Thus, employers can get away with being picky...i.e. raise the requirements in order to be considered a good candidate for the position. It also helps to thin the herd a bit. It is more important than ever these days to network and be well-connected.

 

Not saying this applies to that particular data entry position...but in general I believe this to be true.

 

That data-entry job sounds entry-level. Probably best suited to a 20-something person to get their feet wet in the corporate realm and put a little $$$ in their pocket for 6 months - a few years...at which point he would've likely found something better.

 

I'd also point out that not all data-entry positions are exactly equivalent...this is true for most job positions in any field. A part-time data entry person at company A may have duties A, B, and C, while the same job title at company B may have duties A, B, C, and D...with D requiring a bit more education or experience to perform well. I also agree with 2sure regarding many employers preferring experience. Schools generally don't do a good job prepping someone for the workplace. (Whether they should or not is a different discussion.)

 

Lastly, although there are plenty of exceptions...it generally holds true that people with associate degrees, bachelor's, or other higher ed degrees/credentials tend to have a stronger work ethic and are brighter and more knowledgeable individuals.

[Queenie42]

To be honest, I'd love to imagine that I might be able to actually use my degree for something. I'm currently in my fifth year of university and by the end of this year I will owe more in student loans than I have earned in my entire life. But if having a Masters degree is going to give me some kind of edge in getting a good job, any good job, then I'll be mighty thankful.

 

Also, as someone who's just now trying to get on the first rung of the careers ladder, I wouldn't even turn down a 12hour job. That job on its own wouldn't bring in enough to pay the bills but it's better than nothing at all.

 

You may not need to have a degree in a certain field in order to do the work. You may not need any degree in order to do the work. But having one can make you stand out enough to survive the first CV cull at the HR office. If you don't have one, you just have to be that much better at marketing yourself towards potential employers.

[veggirl]

Typically if they only want an Associates, relevant work experience will be good enough. If I was interested in that job and had experience but no degree I'd still apply. They can ignore my app but you can still try. I mean relevant experience would be more beneficial than a random 2 yr general studies degree I'd assume.

[Art_Critic]

Because a job is part-time that means it shouldn't require an education or degree

 

Education/Experience have zero to do with a company's hourly needs. it's all about the job.

[Art_Critic]

Punching in data doesn't require a generic associate's degree. They could be using that merely as a way to thin the herd so they aren't required to look at all the possible applications which will come out of the wood work.

 

Those kinds of jobs are often sent to India to be done by people with barely an elementary school education. Give me a break.

 

How can you know from what he posted, maybe they have corporate guidelines about the hiring process...

Maybe the data entry is of the type of data that they require more than a teenager to punch the data in.

 

They obviously have set that requirement for a particular reason, who is an applicant to tell a company that they have their job needs set wrong

[pink_sugar]

My husband and I have AA degrees and let me just say it's not worth the paper it's printed on. If I could go back I would have just transferred and not wasted my time. And for $10 an hour shouldn't require any sort of degree. You can work at many places requiring no experience and no education for $10. If you want to hire someone with a degree, it should at least be $12-15. $10 is a joke. Hell, I make $12 with an AA degree and I still think that's a joke considering you need to make $20+ to afford a living around here.

[MuscleCarFan]

I don't understand it either because employers want so much experience and they don't want to pay much either. Give me a break.

[PhillyDude]

That would be a perfect job for someone graduating in may who lives at home with their parents

[pink_sugar]

I graduate after summer school this year and there is no way I plan to still be at this job after that. I am keeping my eyes open even now for better opportunities. The thing that bugs me most often and what makes it hard to make leaps are jobs that are part time and "potentially" leading to full time. I'm not going to job hop on a "potentially"...without a doubt I need to be working full time after I graduate, so I'm not going to work a job for a few months and hope they give me full time or quit for something else.

[PhillyDude]

I graduate after summer school this year and there is no way I plan to still be at this job after that. I am keeping my eyes open even now for better opportunities. The thing that bugs me most often and what makes it hard to make leaps are jobs that are part time and "potentially" leading to full time. I'm not going to job hop on a "potentially"...without a doubt I need to be working full time after I graduate, so I'm not going to work a job for a few months and hope they give me full time or quit for something else.

 

 

Remember where ever you do go give them two years

[Gunny376]

Most jobs are through family owned business of one shape, form, or the other. Thus you have to deal with nepocracy ~ where friends and family are hired first. I worked at one such place, and secondary lead smelting plant. I worked in the lab, doing soil, air, water analysis, as well sampling lead and plastics. (I won't go into detail ~ but there's A LOT more to it all ~ we produced over 100 different alloys of lead)

 

Anyhoo, there was the lead boss, below him was his son, then his daughter ~ who was nothing more than a data entry clerk ~ but was given the salary position of office manager so she could get paid $15 $20 an hour. Then because she couldn't "manage" to keep her trap shut long enough and at her desk to do her job? They hired his grandson's GF to do her job as her "assistant". The grandson worked there as well, as did the husband of the bosses niece, his nephew, a grand niece, and a couple of friends of a friend of the VP of Operations.

 

I worked there for six years, second shift, Tuesday through Sunday ~ every weekend and holiday. One Monday morning I got up to check my e--mail and found out that I had been fired because I had made a typo on a certification form. I had typed in 0010 instead of .0001. In truth a drinking buddy of the owner of the company? Needed a job? Guess who's he got. He lasted one hour. It started out paying $8.50 an hour, six years later I was earning $12.10.

 

I also live in a college town. You would think that 20 years in the Marine Corps, a Bachelor's degree in Business Administration ~ Finance, experience as a manufacturing supervisor, manager, assistant manager, general manager, lab tech, bartender, cook, bar back, bouncer, etc I could find a job, right?

 

WRONG! Unemployed for a year and half, and over 600 applications later? Nothing! Not even an interview! Finally got a job as a tool jig operator at a plant that makes auto parts for Hyundai. Through a 'temp" service. Took going in five days every single day for four months just to get that! Started $8.00 an hour. Year later? I'm making $9.58 and hour just having gotten a whopping .18 an hour raise. Finally moved into a "full time' position with the company after nine months probation! Applied for over eight different positions QC, "Keeper" Team Leader, Supervisor, Specialist. Was finally told that I wasn't qualified for ANY of them! (Off the record ~ The place employees your basic level employee unskilled, semi-skilled, marginally educated. Most blacks (about 98% I would say) and some whites. They use to employ a lot of Hispanic until Alabama passed its "Voter ID law (Actually more of a immigration law) I'm conversant in Spanish ~ enough to be able to communicate in the work place. The feeling is that I'm too educated, too experienced, too rigid for the work force, too military, too old (55), too...........................

 

Going to college on the GI bill once I retired from the Marines was on of the all time STUPIDIST THINGS I EVER DID IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!!!!!!

(Aside from marrying my 1st EXHX!)

 

I should have gone to trade school for 18 to 24 months and learned a trade! My DS29 never went to any kind of school after HS and is making $34 an hour. As is my SIL. The SIL did do four years in the Army as an Air Traffic Controller. But never went to any other kind of training. (SIL got a job working security at a Nuclear Power Plant, think more along the lines of wearing Kevlar flak jackets, helmets, carring M-4 rifles and 9mm pistols rather than your typical at the mall security). Keep telling DS29 to go out an apply for job. DS29 is an OJT electrical lineman who worked on power lines, transformers, power stations etc. He finally did, and they hired him as a Nuclear Power Plant Operator Trainee ~ $32 an hour start. SIL finally moved to the maintence crew after six tries.)

 

Think a college degree is going to get you a job? Guess a damn-again. I know of plenty of college graduates with everything from an AA, BA, BS, MA, MS, MBA, even PhD's who can't find work! But I also plenty of people that went to community college or trade school that are making big money. The maintence bubba's where I work at that work on repairing and installing the robots weilders? $42 to $52 an hour. Auto Technicians (Not just ASE mechanics ~ but ASE technicians that have been trained, certified, and experienced in a particular type of automobile ~ Nissan, Toyota, GM, etc) earn around $72K a year and are in hugh demand.

 

Less than 18 to 24 months you can have your certification in HVAC ~ Heating, Vacumn and Air Condition. $15 an hour start, and you can go anywhere you want and find work.

[pink_sugar]

 

I worked there for six years, second shift, Tuesday through Sunday ~ every weekend and holiday. One Monday morning I got up to check my e--mail and found out that I had been fired because I had made a typo on a certification form. I had typed in 0010 instead of .0001. In truth a drinking buddy of the owner of the company? Needed a job? Guess who's he got. He lasted one hour. It started out paying $8.50 an hour, six years later I was earning $12.10.

 

I also live in a college town. You would think that 20 years in the Marine Corps, a Bachelor's degree in Business Administration ~ Finance, experience as a manufacturing supervisor, manager, assistant manager, general manager, lab tech, bartender, cook, bar back, bouncer, etc I could find a job, right?

 

WRONG! Unemployed for a year and half, and over 600 applications later? Nothing! Not even an interview! Finally got a job as a tool jig operator at a plant that makes auto parts for Hyundai. Through a 'temp" service. Took going in five days every single day for four months just to get that! Started $8.00 an hour. Year later? I'm making $9.58 and hour just having gotten a whopping .18 an hour raise. Finally moved into a "full time' position with the company after nine months probation! Applied for over eight different positions QC, "Keeper" Team Leader, Supervisor, Specialist. Was finally told that I wasn't qualified for ANY of them! (Off the record ~ The place employees your basic level employee unskilled, semi-skilled, marginally educated. Most blacks (about 98% I would say) and some whites. They use to employ a lot of Hispanic until Alabama passed its "Voter ID law (Actually more of a immigration law) I'm conversant in Spanish ~ enough to be able to communicate in the work place. The feeling is that I'm too educated, too experienced, too rigid for the work force, too military, too old (55), too...........................

 

Going to college on the GI bill once I retired from the Marines was on of the all time STUPIDIST THINGS I EVER DID IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!!!!!!

(Aside from marrying my 1st EXHX!)

 

I should have gone to trade school for 18 to 24 months and learned a trade! My DS29 never went to any kind of school after HS and is making $34 an hour. As is my SIL. The SIL did do four years in the Army as an Air Traffic Controller. But never went to any other kind of training. (SIL got a job working security at a Nuclear Power Plant, think more along the lines of wearing Kevlar flak jackets, helmets, carring M-4 rifles and 9mm pistols rather than your typical at the mall security). Keep telling DS29 to go out an apply for job. DS29 is an OJT electrical lineman who worked on power lines, transformers, power stations etc. He finally did, and they hired him as a Nuclear Power Plant Operator Trainee ~ $32 an hour start. SIL finally moved to the maintence crew after six tries.)

 

Think a college degree is going to get you a job? Guess a damn-again. I know of plenty of college graduates with everything from an AA, BA, BS, MA, MS, MBA, even PhD's who can't find work! But I also plenty of people that went to community college or trade school that are making big money. The maintence bubba's where I work at that work on repairing and installing the robots weilders? $42 to $52 an hour. Auto Technicians (Not just ASE mechanics ~ but ASE technicians that have been trained, certified, and experienced in a particular type of automobile ~ Nissan, Toyota, GM, etc) earn around $72K a year and are in hugh demand.

 

Less than 18 to 24 months you can have your certification in HVAC ~ Heating, Vacumn and Air Condition. $15 an hour start, and you can go anywhere you want and find work.

 

I think some huge key points here are relevant experience and motivation. You can go to school get a degree, but it's worthless if you are not motivated. And it shows in interviews and networking. If you are motivated and make it your life's work to show a potential employer you are a hard worker and dedicated, you can get a lot further. Go above and beyond. Someone even ordered a product from our company to send to an employer to thank them for an interview she had. If you're sitting at home and sending resumes into cyberspace, yes you won't be deterred from the competition. I also know plenty of people without degrees making big money. It depends on how hard you work and how motivated you are. If you have a degree, experience AND motivation, you will go far. A degree does open up doors. I know a woman who was unemployed 6 years...with many years of experience under her belt, but no one would hire her without the degree. It goes both ways.