This type of Job posting really gets under my skin

[ON MY OWN]

The ones that are pointing out the steep requirements with low pay, I feel your pain. It used to be a Bachelors could get you so much. Now it as if they want a Bachelors for everything. It is an unfortunate thing and I think so many of us are feeling the crunch. I had a data entry job right out of high school making slightly above min. wage. Times are definitely harder than they used to be. Many people I know are afraid to get higher degrees, more in debt and no way to honestly repay and be able to make it.

 

I dont think people are complaining, I think they are just discussing their feelings on major topics and many are scared. I also think some states are better than others. We are trying to move out of my state b/c it is one of the worst. Trying to have some control over it. Will take a bit of time unfortunately. I do understand where you are coming from.

[ON MY OWN]

Not sure why people think the answer is "MORE DEBT" and getting another degree.

 

People always seem to think obtaining a higher degree will get them more I guess....

[AlexDP]

Data Entry Job...................12 hours a week

 

Requirements....................Associate Degrees

 

 

HUH??

 

1. Why the hell would someone want a 12 hour a week job?

 

2. And they want a AA for a 12 hour job?

 

I'd love a 12 hour a week job. I'd prefer a 1 hour a week job.

[AlexDP]

The ones that are pointing out the steep requirements with low pay, I feel your pain. It used to be a Bachelors could get you so much. Now it as if they want a Bachelors for everything. It is an unfortunate thing and I think so many of us are feeling the crunch. I had a data entry job right out of high school making slightly above min. wage. Times are definitely harder than they used to be. Many people I know are afraid to get higher degrees, more in debt and no way to honestly repay and be able to make it.

 

I dont think people are complaining, I think they are just discussing their feelings on major topics and many are scared. I also think some states are better than others. We are trying to move out of my state b/c it is one of the worst. Trying to have some control over it. Will take a bit of time unfortunately. I do understand where you are coming from.

 

 

I think the problem is that, for a huge part of the population, there are no jobs. Think about it: everything is either being done by machines or highly qualified engineers. Which leaves you with doctors and lawyers. If you're not an engineer, doctor or lawyer, good luck getting a job.

 

Which makes me think that perhaps we ought to reconsider the whole concept of "a job". We don't need to work to live anymore. Working is no longer about making a living in the true sense.

 

It's a big question we will have to answer as a society and one we have to answer fast, because frustrations are growing globally.

[ON MY OWN]

I am also noticing SOMETIMES they will hire someone with no or minimal experience to train them their way and pay them less.... This is good for some, but not for others...

[Queenie42]

Why would they be paid more if they need to be trained and have little experience??

 

 

In my field at least, the companies are happy to pay for certain parts of your training, like OH&S and First Aid and special driving permits, because it's stuff that you have to have and that way they are dead certain that you have it. Heck, they'll even pay for you to move nearer to them permanently if they need you to. They shell out a little bit for you at the outset so that you are able to stick with them in the long term.

 

However, as far as degrees are concerned, it can be a slippery slope. I knew when I started at university that expectations are high in my chosen career field. If you have a three-year bachelor degree, fine; four-year degree, great; five year degree, super. But if you're an inexperienced 20-something with a PhD, they're more reluctant to hire you. This is because not only do they have to train you and all that, but you're so well qualified that you have to start out in a much higher pay bracket than the equally inexperienced kid with the Bachelor's degree.

[pink_sugar]

In my field at least, the companies are happy to pay for certain parts of your training, like OH&S and First Aid and special driving permits, because it's stuff that you have to have and that way they are dead certain that you have it. Heck, they'll even pay for you to move nearer to them permanently if they need you to. They shell out a little bit for you at the outset so that you are able to stick with them in the long term.

 

However, as far as degrees are concerned, it can be a slippery slope. I knew when I started at university that expectations are high in my chosen career field. If you have a three-year bachelor degree, fine; four-year degree, great; five year degree, super. But if you're an inexperienced 20-something with a PhD, they're more reluctant to hire you. This is because not only do they have to train you and all that, but you're so well qualified that you have to start out in a much higher pay bracket than the equally inexperienced kid with the Bachelor's degree.

 

^This. I had a friend unemployed 6 years after a layoff, even when she had 20+ years experience. It's probably because of the above...age and compensation expectations. A newbie college grad will probably accept less $.

[Radu]

Most jobs are through family owned business of one shape, form, or the other. Thus you have to deal with nepocracy ~ where friends and family are hired first. I worked at one such place, and secondary lead smelting plant. I worked in the lab, doing soil, air, water analysis, as well sampling lead and plastics. (I won't go into detail ~ but there's A LOT more to it all ~ we produced over 100 different alloys of lead)

 

Anyhoo, there was the lead boss, below him was his son, then his daughter ~ who was nothing more than a data entry clerk ~ but was given the salary position of office manager so she could get paid $15 $20 an hour. Then because she couldn't "manage" to keep her trap shut long enough and at her desk to do her job? They hired his grandson's GF to do her job as her "assistant". The grandson worked there as well, as did the husband of the bosses niece, his nephew, a grand niece, and a couple of friends of a friend of the VP of Operations.

 

I worked there for six years, second shift, Tuesday through Sunday ~ every weekend and holiday. One Monday morning I got up to check my e--mail and found out that I had been fired because I had made a typo on a certification form. I had typed in 0010 instead of .0001. In truth a drinking buddy of the owner of the company? Needed a job? Guess who's he got. He lasted one hour. It started out paying $8.50 an hour, six years later I was earning $12.10.

 

I also live in a college town. You would think that 20 years in the Marine Corps, a Bachelor's degree in Business Administration ~ Finance, experience as a manufacturing supervisor, manager, assistant manager, general manager, lab tech, bartender, cook, bar back, bouncer, etc I could find a job, right?

 

WRONG! Unemployed for a year and half, and over 600 applications later? Nothing! Not even an interview! Finally got a job as a tool jig operator at a plant that makes auto parts for Hyundai. Through a 'temp" service. Took going in five days every single day for four months just to get that! Started $8.00 an hour. Year later? I'm making $9.58 and hour just having gotten a whopping .18 an hour raise. Finally moved into a "full time' position with the company after nine months probation! Applied for over eight different positions QC, "Keeper" Team Leader, Supervisor, Specialist. Was finally told that I wasn't qualified for ANY of them! (Off the record ~ The place employees your basic level employee unskilled, semi-skilled, marginally educated. Most blacks (about 98% I would say) and some whites. They use to employ a lot of Hispanic until Alabama passed its "Voter ID law (Actually more of a immigration law) I'm conversant in Spanish ~ enough to be able to communicate in the work place. The feeling is that I'm too educated, too experienced, too rigid for the work force, too military, too old (55), too...........................

 

Going to college on the GI bill once I retired from the Marines was on of the all time STUPIDIST THINGS I EVER DID IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!!!!!!

(Aside from marrying my 1st EXHX!)

 

I should have gone to trade school for 18 to 24 months and learned a trade! My DS29 never went to any kind of school after HS and is making $34 an hour. As is my SIL. The SIL did do four years in the Army as an Air Traffic Controller. But never went to any other kind of training. (SIL got a job working security at a Nuclear Power Plant, think more along the lines of wearing Kevlar flak jackets, helmets, carring M-4 rifles and 9mm pistols rather than your typical at the mall security). Keep telling DS29 to go out an apply for job. DS29 is an OJT electrical lineman who worked on power lines, transformers, power stations etc. He finally did, and they hired him as a Nuclear Power Plant Operator Trainee ~ $32 an hour start. SIL finally moved to the maintence crew after six tries.)

 

Think a college degree is going to get you a job? Guess a damn-again. I know of plenty of college graduates with everything from an AA, BA, BS, MA, MS, MBA, even PhD's who can't find work! But I also plenty of people that went to community college or trade school that are making big money. The maintence bubba's where I work at that work on repairing and installing the robots weilders? $42 to $52 an hour. Auto Technicians (Not just ASE mechanics ~ but ASE technicians that have been trained, certified, and experienced in a particular type of automobile ~ Nissan, Toyota, GM, etc) earn around $72K a year and are in hugh demand.

 

Less than 18 to 24 months you can have your certification in HVAC ~ Heating, Vacumn and Air Condition. $15 an hour start, and you can go anywhere you want and find work.

 

This is brilliant.

 

I know a guy who worked as a programmer back in the days when computers had data cards, before the iron wall fell.

Well, around '94 or so he got understood that he was gonna get kicked out or that it was going nowhere.

So this engineer with 10+yrs in programming and mechanics went and did training in Italy for the Lamborghini heating division, he got trained in heating that runs on gas and at that time became popular in Europe.

Well, now every apartment has one of these heaters, as does every house.

He knows how to repair all of them, not only gas but those running on wood, pellets, whatever the company.

The result, for the last 10yrs he has had more work than he can handle.

Got himself a very nice house, several apartments [that he rents for extra cash], put his daughter through medical school and she got a cushy position.

Has long vacations abroad.

 

He makes an easy 100euros / day; he works for himself, is not employed.

He has to pay about 40% to the state by way of taxes.

That still lives him with 1800-2000 euros / month.

This in a country where an unskilled construction worker makes 200 euros / month, and a college graduate has to be paid a minimum of 250.

 

If you want to compare it with the US, multiply the monthly wage by 4-5.

 

My own cousin, is an electrician without a degree.

He worked in the country for many companies where he got free training for 10yrs.

Later he got the ideea to go to work in the middle-east, including Qatar and the UAE.

Made around 5000 euros/month there.

Edited April 7, 2013 by Radu

[luv2b3fun]

Because he has neither a job, nor a degree.....

LoL....now thats funny.

[Got it]

I want to also remind everyone that in order to get a job you have to wait for someone to

 

 

retire

 

resign

 

get promoted

 

get fired

 

 

And how often are those things happenening which is why it's hard to get a job

 

Umm, or a company is starting up, expanding, growing, etc. You are indicating that all companies are in a stagnant stage where they have either hit their "adult" years or on the decline. You are completely disregarding the growth cycles that many companies go through.

[CarrieT]

The job I have now is because the last person was fired

 

But you have disregarded what Got It included...

 

For the past decade, I have worked as an Executive Assistant to Presidents/CEOs of corporations. In each and every case, there was NO ONE who had the job before me because these were all start-up companies.

 

The Presidents and CEOs I worked for were branching out and building brand new businesses. What I brought to the table - and why I consistently commanded in excess of six figures - was the ability to assist and support someone who had never had an assistant before and could help them build their new business.

 

It was only after the business was off the ground that I would help the owners find someone to replace ME because I had done the job that I was hired to do = be the FIRST to lay the groundwork of how an assistant would need to support a President.

 

I never worked a job that someone else had had because they had retired, resigned, got promoted, or got fired.

 

So There.

[CarrieT]

and how often are all these start up companies posting jobs?

 

As I posted here, looks like all the time:

 

Jobs: 9,114 from over 1,083 different companies.

But I live in the Bay Area, home of the Silicone Valley which is rife with start-upsand that does not include those numbers I posted above (which is JUST the city of San Francisco).

 

To include the entire Bay Area:

Jobs: 28,947 from over 3,243 different companies.

[Got it]

Most of those jobs are probably fake

 

And you know this how!?! What evidence do you have to support this claim?

[Els]

The vast majority of unemployed people whom I know, are unwilling to do certain jobs either due to the nature of the work involved, or the hours involved. That is not necessarily a bad thing, we all need to have boundaries (I'd rather be unemployed than work as a prostitute) but it gets old when they're constantly painted as these poor hardworking souls who'd do hard labour in the mines to support themselves if they were only offered a chance, and have no job openings at all. Because the majority are not.

 

You were one such unemployed person, OP, so I'm sure you're well aware that not all unemployed people are willing to take just any job.

[Els]

There are so many jobs which pay diddly. You couldn't even live on them if you had two or three. You can earn more on unemployment.

 

Yes, that's what I've always found amusing about the USA. So miserly with minimum wage (I think you guys have one of the lowest minimum wages of all developed countries), yet people get paid for doing precisely nothing. How do you expect your citizens to pull up their socks when they get paid more to have their socks down?

 

People who are unemployed without any illness or disability should not be paid anything except foodstamps and allowed access to a shared homeless shelter if they need it. Trust me, you'll have so much excess money from that that you could solve all your minimum wage woes.

[Got it]

His job is getting people jobs. Expect that he does have some professional experience.

 

Even if we were to assume the job listing was real at the time of posting how many employers will immediately take it down when they have found their candidate? This is just one way job listings can be "fake."

 

I remember in my last job hunt coming across quite a few expired listings still up. That's why you try to limit your search to only the last couple months or last month but even that sometimes doesn't help.

 

He has had this job for a month or so, why should I expect that he has any significant experience?