Muslim girls

[t4k3c4r3]

I found this forum reading about moving on after a relationship a while ago and also read some stuff in this section as well, so I signed up now because there's something i want to discuss.

 

21 years old, attractive, white, english, been in relationships, been in love, had 1 night stands, took a step back to look at my love life, and I think I've given up on European girls.

 

(To make some ignorant, but true in my opinion, generalizations based on MAJORITY, not literally ALL)

How can I say this? ... well my culture breeds sluts, simple, a girl can be the sweetest most innocent angel-butter wouldn't melt in her mouth type of girl, but they're NEVER 100% loyal, there will always be a hidden glimmer of selfish deviousness within a European/American/Western girl.

 

On the contrary, something I have never noticed before due to sheer ignorance, I've been paying attention to some truly stunning light skinned arab/pakistani/persian girls recently, seems to be a hidden gem I've completely over looked in the past.

 

The best part is that girls from these predominantly muslim, ethnic backgrounds tend to sincerely value LOYALTY.

 

Some would say that I have no place being interested in these girls because I am a product of the promiscuous wild west that these girls are not, but I actually envy the true commitment, loyalty and values they tend to have, and if I had that for myself it would be a lotto hit, I would treasure and never look back, I know what I want in my love life and it's certainly not a slut from the London night club scene, although that is what my life has been up to now, that's only because I never knew any better.

 

I only ever found myself showing interest in white/western girls, blind and ignorantly.

And I know that most other people in the world also stick to their own, blue birds fly with fly birds, orange fish swim with orange fish.

 

Of course we see many exceptions around us, but what are the realistic chances of being able to get this type of girl I want?

 

I know some other cultures have these quality values, but I think muslim is an extremely strong example so that's why I entitled the thread "muslim girls".

Edited March 21, 2013 by t4k3c4r3

[Toddbt12y1]

Thinks of ex* remembers she was muslim* remembers she cheated*

 

Loyalty isn't race nor culture: though, a good culture can help breed loyalty; the reason muslim girls don't cheat is they'd be killed or suffer some horrific over in the middle east.

 

My ex is muslim, but one in a more free nation...she cheated...a lot. Morales can be taught forever, in the end, it is up to the individual...

 

This is my opinion ofc.

[Eggplant]

had 1 night stands

Not all white women are sluts. But the loyal ones don't choose men who have 1 night stands.

[aj22one]

Take it from this former muslimah: unless you are ready to convert, be circumcised, make a good living, keep her home and pass all the tests of her family (get in good at the mosque) forget it!

 

Not my experience haha.

 

I'm a white guy, Christian. Always dated Indian and Middle Eastern women exclusively. I'm married to a Pakistani Muslim woman. I didn't have to convert but I did have to meet the family. Of course this is in the US, maybe other places are different haha.

 

OP, there are Muslim women who sleep around and other stuff haha. Made the mistake of dating of few of them in my life. If you like those kinda girls though, be prepared for some rejections if you aren't from that culture. Some chicks like dating within the fold so to speak haha.

[LeGenDary_Man]

I found this forum reading about moving on after a relationship a while ago and also read some stuff in this section as well, so I signed up now because there's something i want to discuss.

 

21 years old, attractive, white, english, been in relationships, been in love, had 1 night stands, took a step back to look at my love life, and I think I've given up on European girls.

 

(To make some ignorant, but true in my opinion, generalizations based on MAJORITY, not literally ALL)

How can I say this? ... well my culture breeds sluts, simple, a girl can be the sweetest most innocent angel-butter wouldn't melt in her mouth type of girl, but they're NEVER 100% loyal, there will always be a hidden glimmer of selfish deviousness within a European/American/Western girl.

 

On the contrary, something I have never noticed before due to sheer ignorance, I've been paying attention to some truly stunning light skinned arab/pakistani/persian girls recently, seems to be a hidden gem I've completely over looked in the past.

 

The best part is that girls from these predominantly muslim, ethnic backgrounds tend to sincerely value LOYALTY.

 

Some would say that I have no place being interested in these girls because I am a product of the promiscuous wild west that these girls are not, but I actually envy the true commitment, loyalty and values they tend to have, and if I had that for myself it would be a lotto hit, I would treasure and never look back, I know what I want in my love life and it's certainly not a slut from the London night club scene, although that is what my life has been up to now, that's only because I never knew any better.

 

I only ever found myself showing interest in white/western girls, blind and ignorantly.

And I know that most other people in the world also stick to their own, blue birds fly with fly birds, orange fish swim with orange fish.

 

Of course we see many exceptions around us, but what are the realistic chances of being able to get this type of girl I want?

 

I know some other cultures have these quality values, but I think muslim is an extremely strong example so that's why I entitled the thread "muslim girls".

Check my response below.

 

Also, to marry a Muslim women, you would need to convert first. This may not be strict practice in the WEST but Islam itself makes this mandatory and a "true practitioner" of Islam will never marry a non-Muslim man.

 

Tough luck, I guess.

 

Loyalty isn't race nor culture: though, a good culture can help breed loyalty; the reason muslim girls don't cheat is they'd be killed or suffer some horrific over in the middle east.

This is a sweeping generalization. Islamic nations are typically not as oppressive as some in the WEST may want to believe on the basis of media hype.

 

It mainly boils down to upbringing, culture and religious faith.

 

My ex is muslim, but one in a more free nation...she cheated...a lot. Morales can be taught forever, in the end, it is up to the individual...

 

This is my opinion ofc.

In her case, following can be reasons;

 

1. Lack of strict "upbringing" and/or unstable household

2. Influence of WESTERN culture which promotes "sexual freedom"

 

Being born in a religious household does not makes you a "practitioner" by default. It depends upon; (a) how much your parents pursued you in this aspect and (b) what kind of society you live in. Strict parenting by itself may not be enough if society itself promotes "sexual freedom."

 

A religious women (in true sense), be it a Christian, Muslim or Jewish, is highly likely to possess strong moral traits. She is unlikely to be enticed by personal and materialistic desires. You may find this surprising but many women in Islamic nations fit this category easily. These women are very likely to rate high in commitment and loyalty aspects.

 

Society/Culture itself makes major difference; WESTERN women are far more likely to be promiscuous then those in Islamic nations in general. Dating and cohabitation practices ARE UNTHINKABLE in Islamic nations in general. People may get to know each other in "institutions" at maximum but any progress in relationship would depend upon consent from the families of the individuals and "marriage" would be the ULTIMATE SOLUTION.

 

The institution of marriage is no longer held sacred in many WESTERN nations in current times regardless of the EMPTY HYPE. In the WEST, people decide to marry on their own (otherwise they just cohabitate); their is no societal pressure/check on dating/cohabitation practices; their is no accountability for sexual freedom; parents of the individuals have little say in the personal affairs of their siblings and vice versa.

 

Sexual freedom has its costs; promiscuity and loyalty DO NOT mix with each other. Extra-marital affairs/cheating has nearly become an epidemic in the WEST.

 

Traits such as morality, commitment and loyalty are NOT natural in people; you always learn from your parents and the environment around you.

 

Ever wondered that why extra-marital affairs/cheating is one of most widely discussed SUBJECTS in the WEST but not in Islamic societies? Look beyond the "veil of misconceptions" and you will get the right answer.

 

A woman isn't going to work fourty hours a week and live like a private saint simultaneously. If she has to work like a man, she will want freedom like one.

I absolutely disagree with this.

 

Lot of women work in Islamic societies and they still PROVE to be loyal partners. You cannot generalize about women in this manner.

 

But the loyal ones don't choose men who have 1 night stands.

Can you validate this claim?

 

You expect "loyal types" to be virgins prior to marriage? In the WEST, you are pushing your luck then.

 

What I have noticed thus far is that many women in the WEST prefer to maintain promiscuous life-style when they are young and are likely to "properly commit" to a single person late in their lives. In this manner, they get maximum taste of SELF-GRATIFICATION. Of course, their are psychological ramifications of such a life-style; some people are never able to "properly commit" to a single person throughout their lives; unstable households and addiction to sexual freedom can be influencing factors.

Edited March 22, 2013 by LeGenDary_Man

[fortyninethousand322]

 

Also, to marry a Muslim women, you would need to convert first. This may not be strict practice in the WEST but Islam itself makes this mandatory and a "true practitioner" of Islam will never marry a non-Muslim man.

 

Tough luck, I guess.

 

This is not necessarily true. There are a lot of scholars who heavily debate this. A minority assert that a Muslim woman can marry a non-Muslim man, it's just discouraged.

 

I'm not Muslim by the way, I'm friends with a Hafiz and I've sat in on many debates. Islam and Islamic jurisprudence has always fascinated me.

[Toddbt12y1]

Lol my ex is messed up in the head mostly. Besides, some generalizations carry weight. Depends on the persons

 

True that we in the west have media that shows bad...doesn't make it an y less true. Bad and good.

[LeGenDary_Man]

This is not necessarily true. There are a lot of scholars who heavily debate this. A minority assert that a Muslim woman can marry a non-Muslim man, it's just discouraged.

I am not aware of "many" scholars who debate this. Consensus is that a Muslim SHOULD marry another Muslim by default. Islam discourages relationships in which Islamic identities may get jeopardized. Islam discourages a Muslim to change his/her faith and raise kids in non-Islamic way of life, period.

 

Political correctness concepts have no place in Islam. Some so-called Muslims living in the WEST have bought too much in to political correctness ideologies unfortunately.

 

I'm not Muslim by the way, I'm friends with a Hafiz and I've sat in on many debates. Islam and Islamic jurisprudence has always fascinated me.

Good to know this.

 

Lol my ex is messed up in the head mostly. Besides, some generalizations carry weight. Depends on the persons

 

True that we in the west have media that shows bad...doesn't make it an y less true. Bad and good.

I have much greater "experience" and "exposure" to back-up my stance in this subject. Just because you found a (non-practitioner) partner; doesn't means that she represents Islamic women in general. I do understand the wisdom behind "depends upon the individual" statement but FACT is that majority of Muslim women are not promiscuous and are much more likely to value/respect marriage then WESTERN women. I have witnessed these qualities even in many (not-so-devout) Islamic women.

Edited March 22, 2013 by LeGenDary_Man

[fortyninethousand322]

I am not aware of "many" scholars who debate this. Consensus is that a Muslim SHOULD marry another Muslim by default. Islam discourages relationships in which Islamic identities may get jeopardized. Islam discourages a Muslim to change his/her faith and raise kids in non-Islamic way of life, period.

 

Political correctness concepts have no place in Islam. Some so-called Muslims living in the WEST have bought too much in to political correctness ideologies unfortunately.

 

 

Good to know this.

 

Well yeah it is usually the case that the husband agrees to raise the children in an Islamic way or something of that nature.

 

There was at one point many years ago a school of fiqh that asserted that not all alcohol was haram. The faith has never been monolithic. Despite fundamentalist claims to the contrary.

Edited March 22, 2013 by fortyninethousand322

[LeGenDary_Man]

There was at one point many years ago a school of fiqh that asserted that not all alcohol was haram. The faith has never been monolithic. Despite fundamentalist claims to the contrary.

Islam strictly forbids all kinds of (intoxicant) drinks. Even mildly alcoholic drinks are not permitted.

 

I have heard about the so-called non-alcoholic beverages/wines but even these drinks may contain minor percentage of ABV. A devout Muslim would not take the RISK to consume them.

 

Here is a good explanation: Non-Alcoholic Beer: Prohibited?

Edited March 22, 2013 by LeGenDary_Man

[taiko]

Well yeah it is usually the case that the husband agrees to raise the children in an Islamic way or something of that nature.

 

There was at one point many years ago a school of fiqh that asserted that not all alcohol was haram. The faith has never been monolithic. Despite fundamentalist claims to the contrary.

The question becomes what is the Muslim equivalent of the Christmas and Easter or further down the line wedding and baptism only Christian? Depending upon the Christian organization commenting the Christmas and Easter type may be seen as still needing the Gospel.

 

In this specific case I am betting the women does none of the five pillars. But her parents or grandparents identified as Muslim and she just did not make a formal break and annouce it to her family.

[aj22one]

In this specific case I am betting the women does none of the five pillars. But her parents or grandparents identified as Muslim and she just did not make a formal break and annouce it to her family.

 

haha not the case with my wife. Still does all 5 pillars.

[aj22one]

Islam strictly forbids all kinds of (intoxicant) drinks. Even mildly alcoholic drinks are not permitted.

 

I have heard about the so-called non-alcoholic beverages/wines but even these drinks may contain minor percentage of ABV. A devout Muslim would not take the RISK to consume them.

 

Here is a good explanation: Non-Alcoholic Beer: Prohibited?

 

haha 49 is talking about the Hanfis like a thousand years ago.

 

http://ipac.kacst.edu.sa/eDoc/eBook/2476.pdf

 

scroll to page 532 haha

 

My wife doesn't drink. I don't either. I used to socially but it's not a big deal to me. haha I don't at bacon anymore either. haha

[fortyninethousand322]

Islam strictly forbids all kinds of (intoxicant) drinks. Even mildly alcoholic drinks are not permitted.

 

I have heard about the so-called non-alcoholic beverages/wines but even these drinks may contain minor percentage of ABV. A devout Muslim would not take the RISK to consume them.

 

Here is a good explanation: Non-Alcoholic Beer: Prohibited?

 

aj22one already nailed it. I wasn't saying Muslims now drink, I was talking about a bunch of Muslims years ago.

 

I'm not an idiot about this. My minor was Islamic studies (I wanted to work counter terrorism and that's what my counselor recommended). I'm quite familiar with Islam.

[spiderowl]

I would have thought that unless you are muslim, you have next to no chance of 'getting' a muslim girl. She will likely be loyal to her religion too.

 

However, your attitude just seems appalling. You refer to 'light-skinned' muslim girls and have clearly expanded your horizons to include other races/faiths, but only just. They still need to be close to your own race in looks it seems. And what makes you think all white girls are sluts? Just because you happen to have had bad experiences with some, doesn't mean all are like that.

 

I've talked to guys like you online. I'm an older woman and young guys have contacted me with exactly the same story about young girls - young girls are all sluts, they are air-heads, they are immature, etc. and this is why they are suddenly searching for a 'mature' woman. I don't believe it for a minute. After five minutes of exchanging messages with them, I can see why young girls are not interested in them. They are self-centred, mainly looking for sex with no thought of what they have to offer other than a young body, and wonder why no-one finds that attractive?

 

I suspect you think a muslim woman would be easier to deal with than a non-muslim woman might because she would feel bound by her religion/culture to stick with her guy and not complain. I don't think so somehow.

 

You are bitter and fed up with the women you've met because things haven't worked out with them. Unfortunately, there is no magic solution. We are all in the same boat, seeking the one that we get on well with and find attractive too. I don't think there is any shortcut. We just have to examine our own behaviour, do our best to be decent people, and hope that fate does the rest.

[Flier]

Most of the women who I know are not Muslim and they want to be in a close faithful relationship with a man.

[trevzilla]

Muslim men can marry non muslim women but not the other way around. I wouldn't go anywhere near that, wouldn't want to get into it with their family.

[arthus1]

I'd never date one, I'm an Atheist.

[Els]

Take it from this former muslimah: unless you are ready to convert, be circumcised, make a good living, keep her home and pass all the tests of her family (get in good at the mosque) forget it!

 

There is a price to that modest piece, its called being as old fashioned as her. A woman isn't going to work fourty hours a week and live like a private saint simultaneously. If she has to work like a man, she will want freedom like one. Most western men want old fashioned women but refuse to be old fashioned men!

 

Pretty much this. Not to mention only eating halal food, and no alcohol.

 

There are some Muslim women who do work by choice now, but the husband is still expected to be the primary breadwinner (it's even mandated in their Quran - guy shouldn't marry a woman unless he's able to support her financially).

 

If the OP is able to satisfy all of the above, don't see why he shouldn't feel free to go for Muslim girls .Though frankly I don't know ANY religious Muslim girls who are happy to date white guys, and I know a lot of Muslim girls, so I'm thinking this is more a 21-yo's fantasy than anything based in reality? In that case, grab a couple extra tissues and have fun, I guess.

[Toddbt12y1]

This thread should be dead by now.

 

With that said...You know, I might not be the most knowledge based soul, on islam.

 

I am rather positive their are good ppl of that faith(i work with many)

 

As of my ex? I go by what I see. Sure, she wasn't a true muslim...only n name, to appease her dad. That man, he was evil. You can talk about good, dismis me, or whatever: my ex was tormented by that man, for simply not being a muslim.

 

I remember his constant calls to yell his hate at her. So ofc, she broke. I know that is how strict one islamist was...to hate his own flesh and blood.

 

I'd still kick his ass to this day....so yeah.

[Radu]

Pretty much this. Not to mention only eating halal food, and no alcohol.

 

There are some Muslim women who do work by choice now, but the husband is still expected to be the primary breadwinner (it's even mandated in their Quran - guy shouldn't marry a woman unless he's able to support her financially).

 

If the OP is able to satisfy all of the above, don't see why he shouldn't feel free to go for Muslim girls .Though frankly I don't know ANY religious Muslim girls who are happy to date white guys, and I know a lot of Muslim girls, so I'm thinking this is more a 21-yo's fantasy than anything based in reality? In that case, grab a couple extra tissues and have fun, I guess.

 

Let's not go there, Quran also allows polygyny ... i doubt many westernized muslim women would like that [or even from secular states like Turkey].

[Els]

Let's not go there, Quran also allows polygyny ... i doubt many westernized muslim women would like that [or even from secular states like Turkey].

 

The Quran allows polygyny if and only if the husband can support all the wives and the children he gets from them (with many considering birth control to be against the will of Allah). Not many Muslim men want to get themselves into that - supporting one is hard enough.

[clumsiest]

My parents are mixed. Just for the record, people from the South Asian continent and people from the Middle East are incredibly different. There are lots of muslims in both areas, but the cultures don't practice them in the same way, or nearly anything the same way.

 

My mother is Catholic/Middle Eastern, my father is Muslim/Indian.

People tried to talk them out of getting married (this was the 70s, but also not in a western nation). They married anyway, and eventually acceptance was had on both sides, but the relationship didn't work out. My father cheated on my mother, many times. My mother, in contrast, is a very devoted woman. She means what she says.

 

So here's where you messed up, OP: If men can sleep around, and not be sluts, then women can sleep around, and also not be sluts. It's beside the point, but I wanted to point out the double standard.

 

And lastly, you will never find the kind of girl you want in a club. If you want a loyal and real girl, do something real. Find an interest, pursue it, and meet people through that. But when it comes to culture and religion, it's not an indicator of anything. Hell, technically I am an agnostic/atheist and I've got morals spewing out of every pore.

[Radu]

The Quran allows polygyny if and only if the husband can support all the wives and the children he gets from them (with many considering birth control to be against the will of Allah). Not many Muslim men want to get themselves into that - supporting one is hard enough.

 

Wild duck, domestic duck ... who cares ?

It's still a duck.

[PogoStick]

To the op, I'm a Muslim but raised in the western world. You see Christians live differently amongst each other between the orthodox and the moderate Christians. In a western society, you have the freedom to live how you want and be of the faith you want. Therefore there are moderate and orthodox Muslims like Christians and Jews. Those who are likely to be more loyal are the orthodox ones. That goes for any faith. Within your own people who share your own faith you can find those qualities.

 

Very interesting. Care to chat sometime?