Muslim girls

[LeGenDary_Man]

As far as Muslim women and men of other faiths. My aunt married a man who was Christian when they married. Theyve been married for ober 20 years. I have another aunt who married a christian guy and all my uncles on my mom's side. My mom married an agnostic guy my dad which was a bit frowned upon but it worked never ended in divorce. Btw, divorce is very legal in our faith just to let you know. In our faith we can marry anyone of the same scripture which We believe in the gospel so by the Quran, we can marry other Christians and Jews. There are certain "laws" set or by other scriptures that say ptherwise. But I don't really take those as anything serious since its not in the Quran. But like I said you could find any woman of any faith loyal despite what faith she actually believes in.

I am also a Muslim and I find your disclosure questionable.

 

The womenfolk in your extended family (including your mother) are taking enormous risks with these marriages.

 

You talk about Christians; you should determine their beliefs first. Some Christians regard Jesus Christ as the God and some regard him as the son of God. These assumptions are in clear contradiction to core Islamic belief.

 

Allah Almighty have forbidden Muslims to marry those people who associate partners and/or specific attributes with Allah Almighty; the concept of "Mushrik" doesn't just covers idolaters but all those who do not believe in proper concept of God.

 

Holy Quran teaches us that Allah Almighty is a pure entity; he is not a father; he is not like humans.

 

If you follow the "people of the book" logic then you should be aware that Allah Almighty is talking about his "genuine followers" prior to revelation of Islam via Holy Quran and not those who harbor wrong perceptions about him and/or misrepresent his revelations prior to Islam. Their is no inconsistency in revelations of Allah Almighty throughout the span of human existence. Do you think that Jesus Christ or Hazrat Issa (PBUH) will endorse Christian claims? As per Holy Quran, him (PBUH) is like a Muslim; a prophet.

 

Being a Muslim, you are required to raise your children in Islamic faith. But in the presence of a father who is not a Muslim, such a brought-up can be a complicated matter because Islam recommends women to be obedient to their husbands. Even if the non-Muslim husband permits you to raise your children as per your wishes, you still are taking a great risk by marrying him. What if this kind of marriage is not accepted by Allah Almighty in the day of judgment? Then? You will fall in the category of "zania"; straightforward ticked to hell-fire.

 

This debate is more complex but I have shortened it for you to open your mind.

 

A "proper" practicing Muslim (male/female) will never take risks in relationships in the manner as womenfolk in your family have taken. Reason is that "committing zina" is a huge sin in Islam. In your case, I strongly advice you to not take the risk of marrying a Mushrik as per disclosures in this post.

 

I am sorry if my post sounds like a religious preaching but you need to address your concepts about Islamic beliefs. Unfortunately, Muslims living in the WEST have bought too much in to western practices.

 

DISCLAIMER: To all fellow Christians here; no disrespect intended to you and your beliefs. I do not wish to escalate any religious debate with you guys.

Edited April 6, 2013 by LeGenDary_Man

[LeGenDary_Man]

@Fallingdeep14

 

As a fellow Muslim, my intention is to caution you against taking "great risks" in your (potential) plan to tie-a-knot in the context of religious belief, should you decide to do so. Stay safe and make rational choices.

 

Well I wasn't saying that it was something I'd want to do. But it never says in the Quran.

Good to know.

 

But you see Christians themselves seem to be confused themselves. One point they'll they believe in one GOD the next it's Jesus the trinity or some father. They aren't like the idolaters IMO because they have the ability to make it to heaven. As it says jews and Christians will make it just like good Muslims will.

I agree with the confusion part; in Holy Quran, Allah Almighty have repeatedly addressed misinterpretations and wrong beliefs of both Christians and Jews at various points in different Surah.

 

Yes, Allah Almighty frequently uses the word "believer" in the Holy Quran because he refers to all of mankind in history when he addresses us. Islamic faith represents all revelations of Allah Almighty in "complete form." Prior to Holy Quran, Allah Almighty have made some revelations but people have tinkered with them unfortunately. The word "believer" refers to all of the "true followers" of previous (genuine) revelations from Allah Almighty and his prophets but these people are rare.

 

Of-course, Holy Quran was revealed only to the last prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Prophets and their true followers who came before prophet Muhammad (PBUH) are logically Muslims or true believers. These people shall go to Jannah just like true Muslims. But the confused and misled do not fall in this category. Even among Muslims, their is a category dubbed as Munafiq. These people are not Muslims but rather pretenders. These will receive the worst kind of punishments during the day of judgment as per revelation in the Holy Quran. So beware of the confused and Munafiq.

 

Unfortunately, Christians have turned out to be most confused among Abrahmic faiths. If you focus on the Ten commandments, you will notice that they are highly accurate and match revelations in the Holy Quran. However, how they are interpreted is another issue. Accurate interpretation is very important for holy scripters and revelations; unfortunately, in current times, you may find lot of misinterpretations of these scripters and revelations. Sad indeed.

 

Therefore, it is SAFE to consider marriage with a fellow Muslim. Allah Almighty knows best.

 

Overall if I found a guy and he was the one and he was Christian agnostic or whatever as long he was ok with mine I'd be ok with his. But it's not what I'd prefer doing marrying outside the faith. I was just saying it's possible.

See above. The thing is not just about him being OK with your beliefs. It is about his beliefs as well. He should not fall in the concept of Mushrik at minimum. The guy should be accept Allah Almighty and his revelations in their true context; no ifs and buts.

 

Also, I was talking about marriage not kids. Even though my cousins were raised Muslim and my mom raised me Muslim too. I come from a family where the mom's the head of the household the dad just pays the bills. With that structure she makes the decisions on what to raise the kids.

I'm a more moderate Muslim anyhow. But I still do adhere to much of my faith's teaching like if I were a Christian I'd actually be considered kind of religious only I wouldn't go in that case to church and I dress more liberally but I don't drink or plan to ever plan to save myself for years at least to come maybe until marriage and I do curse. I still believe in the Quran firmly. But yeah since I'm moderate, I may do and see things differently.

What your mom has done; she is answerable for her relationship decision to Allah Almighty. No disrespect intended. My only advice to her is that if she can convince your father to become a Muslim, she must do so.

 

However, you shouldn't take such kind of risk in your case. Good luck.

 

Also, their is no such thing as a moderate or extreme Muslim/Islam. A person is either a proper Muslim or not at all (Munafiq). Yes, some practicing Muslims might be more devoted then others.

 

Yes, I do understand your urge to defend your mother; I do not mind this. But I feel obligated to advice my fellow Muslim.

 

Hope to have more discussions with you.

Edited April 6, 2013 by LeGenDary_Man

[silicone]

I'm finding that, as a Muslim guy, finding a girl, who reaches my standards, is quite difficult - simply because I'm either encountering girls who are either too modest, or too erm, 'open'.

 

I'm a practising Muslim, but I'm also tolerant of several things. We don't live in an ideal world, and either I adapt or survive. I don't expect my future wife to stay at home whilst I work, but I do expect to be providing {the bulk of} the income to our family.

[LeGenDary_Man]

I'm finding that, as a Muslim guy, finding a girl, who reaches my standards, is quite difficult - simply because I'm either encountering girls who are either too modest, or too erm, 'open'.

 

I'm a practising Muslim, but I'm also tolerant of several things. We don't live in an ideal world, and either I adapt or survive. I don't expect my future wife to stay at home whilst I work, but I do expect to be providing {the bulk of} the income to our family.

Good to know that you are a Muslim too. Your expectations are just fine. Though your disclosure regarding women is troublesome. Muslim women shouldn't be so open.

 

I suggest that you not limit your choice at ethnic level. You can focus on migratees and converts as well. Good luck.

[silicone]

Good to know that you are a Muslim too. Your expectations are just fine. Though your disclosure regarding women is troublesome. Muslim women shouldn't be so open.

 

I suggest that you not limit your choice at ethnic level. You can focus on migratees and converts as well. Good luck.

 

In terms of ethnic level, finding someone with my ethnicity in this country is difficult enough .

[trevzilla]

Well I wasn't saying that it was something I'd want to do. But it never says in the Quran. But you see Christians themselves seem to be confused themselves. One point they'll they believe in one GOD the next it's Jesus the trinity or some father. They aren't like the idolaters IMO because they have the ability to make it to heaven. As it says jews and Christians will make it just like good Muslims will.

 

Mmm, not that difficult really, as it says that a man and a woman get married and become one (echad) flesh, the Jewish shema which is prayed at every synagogue every Saturday says "Here oh Israel, the LORD our God the LORD is one (echad) the word for unity. Just as there is only one Human race with many humans sharing the same essence there is one God with 3 persons sharing the same essence of God who operate in complete unity and harmony. Something completely foreign to dysfunctional humans who can't agree or cooperate on anything. In any case, before Islam was redacted Allah had 3 daughters which is what Salmon Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" was about and which got him a bounty on his head. It lays to rest the notion that Muslims and Christians worship the same God in any case...they don't and Muslims are certainly aware of it as they write "Allah has no son on" on the Dome of the Rock. It explains why the Muslim god with 99 names that represent his attributes doesn't have one for love whereas of the Christian God the bible says God is love. A godhead made of of 3 personalities certainly could express and understand love all the way back into eternity. Something a single deity could not as he had no one to love before creating humanity and angels.

[Eggplant]

My male cousin was raised a Christian. He married a Muslim woman from Pakistan. He converted to Islam.

[WhoreyBull]

It's a little funny to me that of all the men I have ever heard going on about how much better (x) women are than women from their countries, none of them are in long happy relationships at the time of making that statement.

 

Here is the thing I have learned after much interracial and intercultural interactions. There are some people in every country who feel like they were born different. They desire something else and are drawn to a way of life than the one presented to them in their country. You are in the honeymoon stages of cross cultural dating where you are not fluent in (x) way of life and do not necessarily know what constitutes a good moral girl from that perspective.

You are overlooking the things that may bother you later because the trait that upset you about previous partners are seemingly not present. However, as you become more accustom to said culture you will see the grass is not necessarily greener on the other side. You are focusing at how "modest" they are, but perhaps you are a rebellious fling they could never show to their parents. Maybe the modesty you enjoy now will eventually come to irk you as it creeps into all aspects of your life. Indeed, you can narrow your dating pool based on culture/race/religion to improve your chances of finding a match but at the spirit of a person is individual and a few good experiences with "muslim girls" does not correlate to a happy relationship.

The chances of you being able to find the type of girl you want are good IF you are able to start thinking of humans as more complicated than the context in which they were raised. Especially in the case of cross cultural dating. Someone drawn to to dating outside their culture is not a good litmus test for the ideals within that culture. (Would you classify yourself as a prototypical european guy?)

 

Also, since you are focusing on religion rather than a culture is especially concerning since, as others have laid out, there are variations in moderation where dating you would be seen as unacceptable. I'm just going to assume you are confused and are saying muslim to try and refer to people from a certain part of the world because you talk about dating western girls, not "christian" ones. I'd be worried about the morals of a person who can adhere to parts of a religion while also ignoring large sections of it (i.e marrying someone outside their religion). These girls you are "paying attention" to, how do you not know they are acting inappropriate even accepting said "attention".

[taiko]

My male cousin was raised a Christian. He married a Muslim woman from Pakistan. He converted to Islam.

The question becomes did his conversion last beyond the wedding ceremony? I know of men who "converted" to marry women who were Inglesia Ni Cristo women with the full intention of ignoring it the moment their wives were away from their fathers and in their house.