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I don't speak the language, born and raised in American pal.

 

Well I thought atleast your parents spoke it, sorry my bad then.

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I never said I was against assimilating or that I wasn't assimilated, I merely said that I won't change myself and suck up to something else I am not. What you are talking about is sucking up to someone because you deem yourself inferior, I refuse to do that and I won't do that. Assimilating is being yourself in some ways at the same time being able to adapt yourself to the local culture and have an appreciation of the local arts, food, traditions etc which I have in ample amount.

 

I understand you are trying to help me here and I am not trying to argue with you over this, I am merely stating that I am not against assimilation but I am just against acting fake to impress someone, you yourself I am sure know that it won't lead to a healthy or meaningful relationship being that way.

 

YOU are asking a white woman to date a man who Looks different than her, acts different than her, believes in something different than her, eats different foods than her, has a different conservative religious family members - yet YOU don't see how that is asking a White Woman to change and give up everything she knows to marry someone from a different culture? You blame your dating situation only on "Race" - and you are complete WRONG.

 

Women are "culturally uncomfortable" around you. Your personality doesn't really sound that charming or friendly either. Try being a nicer person and women will like you better.

 

There is nothing wrong or racist about a Woman who wants to marry a man from the same religion and shares the same cultural values.

 

You are the one who is creating barriers between yourself and white women. You don't have to change everything, but recognize that White Women want to keep their own culture and values in a relationship/marriage. I don't think you actually care about white people at all.

 

I think you just want a cardboard cutout of Cameron Diaz to marry - at least that won't object to your race, religion, or culture.

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YOU are asking a white woman to date a man who Looks different than her, acts different than her, believes in something different than her, eats different foods than her, has a different conservative religious family members - yet YOU don't see how that is asking a White Woman to change and give up everything she knows to marry someone from a different culture? You blame your dating situation only on "Race" - and you are complete WRONG.

 

Women are "culturally uncomfortable" around you. Your personality doesn't really sound that charming or friendly either. Try being a nicer person and women will like you better.

 

There is nothing wrong or racist about a Woman who wants to marry a man from the same religion and shares the same cultural values.

 

You are the one who is creating barriers between yourself and white women. You don't have to change everything, but recognize that White Women want to keep their own culture and values in a relationship/marriage. I don't think you actually care about white people at all.

 

I think you just want a cardboard cutout of Cameron Diaz to marry - at least that won't object to your race, religion, or culture.

 

Duh, here we go again. Nice attempt to sidetrack the topic and trying to put words in my mouth. I have time and again clearly mentioned that I am agnostic, that I have no issues with any woman who wants to practice her religion as long as she doesn't try to impose them on me, what part of it don't you understand, go back and read the entire thread before you jump to your asinine conclusions.

 

Also, the original question I asked was different, that one was referring to a dating hierarchy based purely on race, nothing to do with culture or anything of that sort. Go back and read the original question once again since you seem to have a problem with comprehension. And yet you come back here and harp on how I wanted the woman to change everything about her and accept my culture when I said nothing of that sort anywhere at all in the thread, as I said earlier this is a lame attempt by you to derail the thread and point fingers at me since I am not being a suck up like how you wanted me to be.

 

Finally, that stuff about White people and Cameron Diaz, you couldn't be farther away from the truth. But then again considering that you are trying your best to project me in a negative light time and again, it's perhaps part of your agenda here.

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YOU are asking a white woman to date a man who Looks different than her, acts different than her, believes in something different than her, eats different foods than her, has a different conservative religious family members - yet YOU don't see how that is asking a White Woman to change and give up everything she knows to marry someone from a different culture? You blame your dating situation only on "Race" - and you are complete WRONG.

 

Women are "culturally uncomfortable" around you. Your personality doesn't really sound that charming or friendly either. Try being a nicer person and women will like you better.

 

There is nothing wrong or racist about a Woman who wants to marry a man from the same religion and shares the same cultural values.

 

You are the one who is creating barriers between yourself and white women. You don't have to change everything, but recognize that White Women want to keep their own culture and values in a relationship/marriage. I don't think you actually care about white people at all.

 

I think you just want a cardboard cutout of Cameron Diaz to marry - at least that won't object to your race, religion, or culture.

 

Also it's funny listening to your rant about how you equate everyone that's White to be the same culturally. I guess you haven't really traveled at all around the world or perhaps have no clue about what exists beyond your neck of woods. One of my close friends married a White Romanian girl and her culture is as farther apart from the American culture as you can imagine, also FYI he didn't have to forego his identity, culture, name, religion yada yada to marry her. They married both in a temple as well as a church, same is the case with some of my friends who married American women. Such relationships only work if there's a mutual respect of each other's culture and tolerance etc etc, which you don't seem to have any of.

 

No wonder you equate all the white people of this world to have the same culture and then harp repeatedly that I am asking the woman I would be interested in to change her culture etc etc for me. I have stated on record earlier that even she's of a different religion and wants to practice her religion that's okay with me as long as she doesn't try to impose it on me, and I stated that I would do the same too. However, seems like you want to imply that I have to change my name to a Christian name, disown my parents, friends, family etc and act as if I am an orphan without culture or any clue of what culture means in the first place.

 

Seems like you must be one of those White intolerant "Aryan Brotherhood" types that detests the fact that your nation isn't as "White" as it used to be. Show me where I stated that someone's racist just because she won't date beyond her culture or religion, you won't be able to since I never said so. I am not even trying to look for someone like that in the first place. Finally, you have just convinced me that American women come up with a lot of crap as to why they would be "grossed" out when approached by an Indian man on a dance floor while they have no such issues when approached by say an "Estonian" guy that's White simply because of his skin color, while culturally they are as different as chalk and cheese.

 

The issue at hand is not about why White American women would not want a relationship with someone from a different religion or culture, the question to begin with was "Why would they be grossed out when approached by a person belonging to (x) race", is it simply because of stereotypes, media influence, peer pressure, social status, racial class system in dating, etc etc. Your answers have convinced me that they are all the above, you can keep your women I wouldn't want anyone that looks down upon me as a person anyway.

 

Thanks for validating the Yahoo poster's assertion.

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Also, the original question I asked was different, that one was referring to a dating hierarchy based purely on race, nothing to do with culture or anything of that sort. Go back and read the original question once again since you seem to have a problem with comprehension. And yet you come back here and harp on how I wanted the woman to change everything about her and accept my culture when I said nothing of that sort anywhere at all in the thread, as I said earlier this is a lame attempt by you to derail the thread and point fingers at me since I am not being a suck up like how you wanted me to be.

 

Finally, that stuff about White people and Cameron Diaz, you couldn't be farther away from the truth. But then again considering that you are trying your best to project me in a negative light time and again, it's perhaps part of your agenda here.

 

You are not aware of your ignorance. You "don't know what you don't know." You only believe what you 'think' you see about the society you live in. Someone who is deeply Christian or Catholic is not going to want to date a foreign agnostic Indian man, unless you have an amazing personality (which from the sounds of your complaints doesn't seem to be the case.) Also, your short height is the primary reason for your dating failures and not your race.

 

You blame "Race" for your dating failures - and as I have said, it is not that women are "racially uncomfortable with you" its because they are "culturally uncomfortable" - meaning they want someone who believes in things they want to believe in and likes things that they like.

 

Your ignorant focus on race proves that you are not capable of an "inter-racial relationship"

 

There is no such thing as a Racial hierarchy. There may be a historical-economic hierarchy. There may be a cultural hierarchy. There may be a geographic hierarchy. To focus on race proves you are a superficial ignorant guy who doesn't understand society.

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There is no such thing as a Racial hierarchy. There may be a historical-economic hierarchy. There may be a cultural hierarchy. There may be a geographic hierarchy. To focus on race proves you are a superficial ignorant guy who doesn't understand society.

The racial hierarchy is tied into the social political system. The Slave state where any known African DNA "the single drop rule" made you liable to be a slave is the prime example. The Asian woman who will date someone from her ethnic group and maybe another close ethnic group or a White guy yet her parents would kill her if she was with an African of Black American is another example of the percieved racial hierarchy.

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You are the one that is focused on race. Yet you blame race as the only reason for your dating failure.

 

For the reasons why someone of a brown or black color would have barriers dating a "white woman" is because of "Cultural Differences." Now, you might have some like finding agnostic/atheist white women to date - that is probably your best chance at dating an American white women.

 

I don't know why a white person dating a white Romanian would be that difficult.

 

If an Indian man wants to date a white European Girl, that is probably his best chance at dating a white girl. Most Europeans are interested in meeting foreigners (non-Europeans) and are open-minded about dating international folks (not discriminating on skin color).

 

If you are agnostic or other, you will overtly or subtly express your distaste or skepticism of Christianity or catholicism. That is the very definition of agnosticism - not believing in any religion. Go ahead and try dating a Christian girl, but I think you will self-sabotage the relationship because you will never fully embrace everything about her. People with divergent strong religious beliefs will not last long in a marriage.

 

Your "Dance Floor hookup mentality" shows how little personality you have. On the dance floor, its a superficial world that is not real life. You will not succeed by trying to grind on white women.

Try actually "talking to women" who are not drunk at the club. If you don't have the "brad pitt looks" then you will need to actually "communicate" with women.

 

Why are you grossed out by Black Women? What if a Black Woman asked you out? See you have the same "racist beliefs" that you blame others of having.

 

Also it's funny listening to your rant about how you equate everyone that's White to be the same culturally. I guess you haven't really traveled at all around the world or perhaps have no clue about what exists beyond your neck of woods. One of my close friends married a White Romanian girl and her culture is as farther apart from the American culture as you can imagine, also FYI he didn't have to forego his identity, culture, name, religion yada yada to marry her. They married both in a temple as well as a church, same is the case with some of my friends who married American women. Such relationships only work if there's a mutual respect of each other's culture and tolerance etc etc, which you don't seem to have any of.

 

No wonder you equate all the white people of this world to have the same culture and then harp repeatedly that I am asking the woman I would be interested in to change her culture etc etc for me. I have stated on record earlier that even she's of a different religion and wants to practice her religion that's okay with me as long as she doesn't try to impose it on me, and I stated that I would do the same too. However, seems like you want to imply that I have to change my name to a Christian name, disown my parents, friends, family etc and act as if I am an orphan without culture or any clue of what culture means in the first place.

 

Seems like you must be one of those White intolerant "Aryan Brotherhood" types that detests the fact that your nation isn't as "White" as it used to be. Show me where I stated that someone's racist just because she won't date beyond her culture or religion, you won't be able to since I never said so. I am not even trying to look for someone like that in the first place. Finally, you have just convinced me that American women come up with a lot of crap as to why they would be "grossed" out when approached by an Indian man on a dance floor while they have no such issues when approached by say an "Estonian" guy that's White simply because of his skin color, while culturally they are as different as chalk and cheese.

 

The issue at hand is not about why White American women would not want a relationship with someone from a different religion or culture, the question to begin with was "Why would they be grossed out when approached by a person belonging to (x) race", is it simply because of stereotypes, media influence, peer pressure, social status, racial class system in dating, etc etc. Your answers have convinced me that they are all the above, you can keep your women I wouldn't want anyone that looks down upon me as a person anyway.

 

Thanks for validating the Yahoo poster's assertion.

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The racial hierarchy is tied into the social political system. The Slave state where any known African DNA "the single drop rule" made you liable to be a slave is the prime example. The Asian woman who will date someone from her ethnic group and maybe another close ethnic group or a White guy yet her parents would kill her if she was with an African of Black American is another example of the percieved racial hierarchy.

 

The hierarchy is based on economic status. Groups of People who are perceived as wealthier will have higher status.

 

But the "racial" hierarchy changes from country to country because of all these other factors, and not simply race itself. Foreigners will never be considered the same as non-foreigners. White foreigners will be ahead of non-white foreigners in American society.

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You are not aware of your ignorance. You "don't know what you don't know." You only believe what you 'think' you see about the society you live in. Someone who is deeply Christian or Catholic is not going to want to date a foreign agnostic Indian man, unless you have an amazing personality (which from the sounds of your complaints doesn't seem to be the case.) Also, your short height is the primary reason for your dating failures and not your race.

 

You blame "Race" for your dating failures - and as I have said, it is not that women are "racially uncomfortable with you" its because they are "culturally uncomfortable" - meaning they want someone who believes in things they want to believe in and likes things that they like.

 

Your ignorant focus on race proves that you are not capable of an "inter-racial relationship"

 

There is no such thing as a Racial hierarchy. There may be a historical-economic hierarchy. There may be a cultural hierarchy. There may be a geographic hierarchy. To focus on race proves you are a superficial ignorant guy who doesn't understand society.

 

I don't deny that the height thing might be a handicap, but how much is it a handicap is subject to interpretation. In any case I am 5'8" which is only marginally shorter than the average male height in US, which is 5'9.5". So it's hard to imagine that I am overlooked due to height than my race, since I find a lot of White men who are shorter than me with some pretty good looking women. I would have certainly agreed to you if I were 5'4", however that's not the case.

 

There is a definite racial hierarchy and you have just said in your very next post that a White foreigner in US will have a higher status than a non-White foreigner. While that might be true, you have also said that it's tied to socio-economic status but then if that were true, Indians are the highest earning minority in the USA today even ahead of other White immigrant communities but they are still lower in the racial hierarchy(which according to you is tied to socio-economic hierarchy) in which case it contradicts your earlier statement.

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You are the one that is focused on race. Yet you blame race as the only reason for your dating failure.

 

For the reasons why someone of a brown or black color would have barriers dating a "white woman" is because of "Cultural Differences." Now, you might have some like finding agnostic/atheist white women to date - that is probably your best chance at dating an American white women.

 

I don't know why a white person dating a white Romanian would be that difficult.

 

If an Indian man wants to date a white European Girl, that is probably his best chance at dating a white girl. Most Europeans are interested in meeting foreigners (non-Europeans) and are open-minded about dating international folks (not discriminating on skin color).

 

If you are agnostic or other, you will overtly or subtly express your distaste or skepticism of Christianity or catholicism. That is the very definition of agnosticism - not believing in any religion. Go ahead and try dating a Christian girl, but I think you will self-sabotage the relationship because you will never fully embrace everything about her. People with divergent strong religious beliefs will not last long in a marriage.

 

Your "Dance Floor hookup mentality" shows how little personality you have. On the dance floor, its a superficial world that is not real life. You will not succeed by trying to grind on white women.

Try actually "talking to women" who are not drunk at the club. If you don't have the "brad pitt looks" then you will need to actually "communicate" with women.

 

Why are you grossed out by Black Women? What if a Black Woman asked you out? See you have the same "racist beliefs" that you blame others of having.

 

I am not blaming race as the only factor, it's a significant factor however and you wouldn't know this since you don't belong to the race I belong to and can't see the world from my shoes. It's challenging enough for any non White person to be accepted into a White majority country but it's even worse when they face challenges based on negative stereotypes perpetrated against them, and when they are accorded the lowest social status in the society based purely on their race.

 

I do agree with your statement about European women and the friend who I talked about earlier married to the Romanian Girl was Indian not White(read my posts carefully before coming to conclusions the next time). I clearly mentioned the temple and the church thing to even elucidate it further. I personally wouldn't try too hard to find a conservative Christian woman either because I understand it might be best for us to have such divergent beliefs in the long term scheme of things.

 

Regarding the dance floor hookup, sorry but the majority of the people I see who are single go to the dance floors to pick up women, it's not my personality that's saying this it's your own American culture. In your culture, single men and women go to the dance floor and pick up women, exchange numbers and later date each other which might or might not lead to a relationship. I was merely following your own culture by being at the dance floor so don't give me that bull about not having a personality by being at the dance floor. As far as communication goes, I tried to communicate with some women but most of them wouldn't talk to me because I belong to a race which they don't consider worth talking to, the same women had no problem hitting on the next guy that came along so I do feel it's significantly racial if not completely.

 

As for Black women, I went out on dates with a couple of them. If I meet a nice Black woman, I have no qualms in going out with her. So keep your racist, unfounded beliefs to yourself. It's apparent you are a frigging judgmental moron who made a baseless assumption about me not dating Black women when I mentioned no where that I wouldn't date them. What a tool.

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There is a definite racial hierarchy and you have just said in your very next post that a White foreigner in US will have a higher status than a non-White foreigner. While that might be true, you have also said that it's tied to socio-economic status but then if that were true, Indians are the highest earning minority in the USA today even ahead of other White immigrant communities but they are still lower in the racial hierarchy(which according to you is tied to socio-economic hierarchy) in which case it contradicts your earlier statement.

 

There is no such thing as racial hierarchy. There are "white communities", "black communities", "asian communities", etc. White People are comfortable marrying white people. Asian people marry other Asian people. As I've tried to explain to you - Black people and White people share many cultural similarities and are often both Christian, so Cultural similarities overcome any racial differences. Now, an Indian man has both a different race AND a different religion, culture, etc.

 

You know NOTHING about Women. Women have dozens of reasons to date or not date a guy. There are just as many white guys that get rejected for being too short or whatever. By blaming only your skin color, you are telling women that you have nothing else to offer.

 

Perhaps, you should only date Indian women because you seem to only want a woman to accept just your Indian skin and Indian culture, without you Needing to put the effort to impress her at all.

 

You DON'T want to put any effort into finding and charming a woman.

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Your fallacy in belief is that "you want to be treated like a White guy" but "you don't want to act or be culturally like a white guy."

 

First off, you have approach dating differently than the average white guy, because you are not a white guy.

 

If you have wealth, it will impress women and show you are not a FOB. Women like men with jobs.

 

You want to be LAZY and have the Woman come up to you on the dance floor? You want white women to approach Black Men or Indian Men?

 

It is a Man's job to give a woman a Reason to date him. If you have nothing to offer a woman besides your dark skin color, then you will fail at dating every time.

 

Women take Time to Trust a man. A woman is not going to Trust a sketchy creepy foreign drunk guy on the dance floor.

 

Learn to talk to women in non-threatening and non-groping situations. Try some co-ed sports or other activities. Remember, you have to "Talk" your way into a Woman's heart. Your problem is that you lack game, you have no experience with women, and you have no confidence. You want to be the Lazy Guy who can have women coming up to you based only on your looks.

 

You Should date Black Women, there are many Single Black Women who want to get married. There are several other Indian men who have posted that they don't like Black Women. Blonde White women are pickier because they are hotter based on hollywood standards and have hundreds of guys to choose from. You will have better chances of success at avoiding Blonde American White women.

 

I am not blaming race as the only factor, it's a significant factor however and you wouldn't know this since you don't belong to the race I belong to and can't see the world from my shoes. It's challenging enough for any non White person to be accepted into a White majority country but it's even worse when they face challenges based on negative stereotypes perpetrated against them, and when they are accorded the lowest social status in the society based purely on their race.

 

I do agree with your statement about European women and the friend who I talked about earlier married to the Romanian Girl was Indian not White(read my posts carefully before coming to conclusions the next time). I clearly mentioned the temple and the church thing to even elucidate it further. I personally wouldn't try too hard to find a conservative Christian woman either because I understand it might be best for us to have such divergent beliefs in the long term scheme of things.

 

Regarding the dance floor hookup, sorry but the majority of the people I see who are single go to the dance floors to pick up women, it's not my personality that's saying this it's your own American culture. In your culture, single men and women go to the dance floor and pick up women, exchange numbers and later date each other which might or might not lead to a relationship. I was merely following your own culture by being at the dance floor so don't give me that bull about not having a personality by being at the dance floor. As far as communication goes, I tried to communicate with some women but most of them wouldn't talk to me because I belong to a race which they don't consider worth talking to, the same women had no problem hitting on the next guy that came along so I do feel it's significantly racial if not completely.

 

As for Black women, I went out on dates with a couple of them. If I meet a nice Black woman, I have no qualms in going out with her. So keep your racist, unfounded beliefs to yourself. It's apparent you are a frigging judgmental moron who made a baseless assumption about me not dating Black women when I mentioned no where that I wouldn't date them. What a tool.

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I will say this for Indian men.

 

The lighter skinned kind from the North (more like Dev Patel, a lot of Bollywood actors, and Jay Sean) have it really easy even with women who are supposedly racist. I have been with girls who said they wouldn't date a darker Indian, these weren't Indian girls.

 

So if you are one of those lighter Indians, you don't have it that rough.

 

I am a darker skinned Indian dude. More similar to Senthil Ramamurthy(who doesn't seem to have any problem attracting a lot of the Blonde white women you described about)

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He shouldn't have to date anyone if he doesn't want to, what is your problem.

 

Not just me but most Indian and Middle Eastern men I have talked to are not into Black women, most Asian men aren't either.

 

If he wants to date a Blonde American girl he simply has to obey my advice, the same advice I would give to anyone (ESPECIALLY MINORITIES whether they are Black, Latino, Indian, or Asian) concerning Blonde women and White women in general:

 

1. Go to places like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, The Dakotas, and those kinds of states in general. Women in these states are not exposed to as much diversity and some that do see it will hop on to the chance of dating a minority, I have seen it with all races there.

 

2. AVOID places like NYC, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Miami if you want White women. White women in these areas are few in number and the ones that are there have the same dating standards as an Arabian princess. So unless you are loaded financially or have something really good about you (famous, really really good looking, stylish), avoid these areas like the plague for dating.

 

 

I hate this idea of forcing anyone to date someone because

 

1. You are going to make the guy miserable

 

2. The guy being miserable will make the woman miserable because he doesn't really want to be with her

 

 

OP, quit letting these people dictate your life. Take action, get off your a** and take my advice. If you want White women so bad, go to areas that are over 90 percent White.

 

Good advice, I am closer to West virginia and rural Ohio. May be those are my best bets now.

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I am a darker skinned Indian dude. More similar to Senthil Ramamurthy(who doesn't seem to have any problem attracting a lot of the Blonde white women you described about)

 

Well, in that case, you should have no problems. what are you complaining for.

 

Blaming racism for your dating failures is the Lazy Man's excuse. I haven't seen any examples that you have said that you have put in any effort meeting or dating women. You only complain that you can't talk to white women at bars, or dance with white women at bars. There are dozens of other places to meet women and get to know them. You just have to put in more effort. Do you think a white man moving to INdia has an easy time adjusting to the culture? I do agree that there are other regions of the USA that are more open-minded about minorities, you should move to those places if that is what you want.

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I dated a Indian man and I've been attracted to Indian men ever since. (I'm Asian btw)The biggest hardship is the culture, my last Indian bf was very close to his family he wanted to live with his family after getting married. I was raised the opposite. I would definitely date a Indian man again, but I'd like to make sure if we are compatible with family/cultural customs..etc before leaping in.

 

I know most asian women aren't interested in Indian men at all, in fact, they do get "grossed-out" if a Indian man hit on her, but that's just because they weren't friends first. And they are just to narrow-minded. You'd be better off without them.

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2 of the only reasons I wouldn't want to date an Indian even if they are very successful and qualified are because: 1. Culture is too different, including religion and 2. Language even though this is not always the case.

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Not true, lots of indians here and I live near Chicago

Chicago is not "most" of the Midwest it is an outlying major city. And in the major cities people tend to ghettoize into ethnic communities and those outside of those ghettos are often mistaken for other ethnic groups

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I live in an area where there are tons of Indians. One of the largest populations in the US. I have been around Indians on/off for well over a decade so can directly comment as I am a white American.

 

First off the thing you need to realize is you are a foreigner. And not just a European foreigner, but a foreigner that does not look like white Americans.

 

Is this bad? No but from my own experience, Indians stick to their own even here in the US. That means they have no American friends, continue to eat Indian food and make no attempt to assimilate to American culture. They continue to live in an ethnic Indian community YET they want to date white American women. They are a clannish and closed society.

 

Yeah good luck with that. You dont appeal to them because of what you are. And its not just about your skin color. Its because of your culture and you are NOT an American. Indian people that behave like Americans are much more readily accepted than some H1B fresh off the boat.

 

White American women are not stupid and almost ALL know the stories about how Middle Eastern and Asian men will glad use them for sex and thats it. Not introduce them to their families and want to continue living like foreigners here in the US. The women know that they are regarded as sluts and sexual play things.

 

Also lets call a stone a stone here - many Indians are outright racist. Anyone who is not Indian is regarded as 2nd class citizens with black Americans regarded as garbage one step away from untouchable status. Dont say it isnt so because I have seen it first hand.

 

I have been at bars and clubs where the creepy Indian dudes ogle the women and stink to high heaven. Either body odor or 2 gallons of cologne. Than of course there is the inappropriate touching. I have seen it first hand. Just because the women appear to be X does not mean you can do what you want.

 

If you want to live in America than behave like an American. Assimilate and make some American friends. American women dont want to date some H1B thats living 10 to an apartment with other Indian dudes who are also on a visa.

 

And for that matter why dont you date Indian girls? I used to live with an Indian girl that was born here in the USA. She was just like me.

 

You need to get a grip on yourself.

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