do white guys find darkskin black girls hot?

[MissJoness]

There's really nothing about her appearance IMO. I think that's why people get a distorted view of what a black girl looks like. It's kind of annoying IMO. But that's all I'll say on this.

she's mixed. she's not biracial but she has a significant admixture

[MissJoness]

Not all black women have short hair or dark skin or a certain type of face it's just a fact. You need to push people out to feel better it seems IMO.

 

 

If that's what you need to tell yourself to help you sleep better at night. Go ahead. Not saying there's any truth in it though.

I'm the one who is being pushed out and made to feel different since I don't have the admixed look that many African Americans have. I'm constantly told I look African all the time which makes me feel like an outsider

 

but Ciara (the singer in the photo) is mixed looking. its obvious that she looks that way due to european heritage

[ThatJustHappened]

I think West African women are beautiful. I bet you're way prettier than you think you are.

[Radu]

That's why i wanted lighter skin because it's associated with beauty. I would have no problem finding a quality guy

 

ps: i'm dark and I've never had a white guy tell me my darkskin was beautiful

 

But you had quite a few imply it in this very thread.

FF, me, others ...

And i have dated darker skin women in my culture against what ppl thought.

Dark skin women in my culture are with roma/turkish ancestry. It may not sound comparable with the skin of african women, but it's all relative.

My first major crush was olive skinned, very nice curves and green eyes, i'll never forget her. Close to rihana's skin i guess.

I didn't understand it untill much later when i met another girl with olive skin, and curly dark blond hair that really made me melt. It also helped that she was a real sweetheart ...

 

This is the skintone that i was referring to; both of those girls had it :

http://www.misslilscamp.com/images/ambi.jpg

That skintone and darker is something i find attractive.

 

2 of my cousins married roma women as well.

I know for a fact they don't like their culture that much [some of their music ... youtube manele to see what i'm talking about], but they like them for what they are, and they wanted them not only for their skin color.

 

If i knew better French and was not voluntarily celibate, i'd make a pass for some of the African students i see around the city.

[pcplod]

Your mistake is in assuming there is an "American culture" at all. There are hundreds, if not thousands of cultures present in the US and everywhere else. The majority of those cultures may share some features in common but mainly they have features that differentiate them. And people are proud of the fact that they are different, maybe superior, almost to the point of it being socially divisive. Are you going to tell me that you share the same culture as, say Amish people, or Seventh Day Adventists or WASPs from Connecticut or Italian-Americans from New York? To talk of something as ephemeral as "American culture" is just lazy labelling.

 

You talk in stereotypical ways about stereotypical ideas that don't actually exist because you think it helps you understand and process a bewilderingly complex world. The reality is that it doesn't help. It's a fallacy, a mere figment of the imagination.

 

And you are obsessed in a way about something relatively trivial that in the grand scheme of things only matters to those who don't matter at all. It is so palpable that it seems to have it's own sub-cultural language. That is a travesty because it is a complete waste of life, your life.

[MissJoness]

Oh I didn't know that was ciara... No wonder she identifies as black.

 

I think it's because you look like the stereotype more so than anything I'm sorry that you feel like you're being pushed out IMO ciara Kerry and dani are all black and that's what society would see them as you know people even mixed are considered black because they look black if you looked so different those mixed and considered 'beautiful' why aren't they considered something else? Obviously because black is dominant and beautiful. I think most people realize that.

keri and ciara are highly admixed. they look like that because they are mixed with white

 

quit telling me I look like the stereotype i find that highly offensive

[trevzilla]

they have slender features and soft hair that fit into the euro standard of beauty. what about west african women with broad facial features?

 

Not really sure. I used to think I wasn't into black women at all, but then when I've seen women from Africa including West Africa I think I thought many of them were attractive. I read a book that said people tend to imprint on their parents and that becomes their standard of attractiveness, so obviously my heritage is European so I find European features attractive and I also like East Indian and Middle eastern women which I guess are just darker skinned versions of European women. Persians are indo european and India has a lot of indo european mixed in because of the Aryan conquest in 1000 BCE. That being said I see attractive women from every ethnic background, I just would find a higher percentage of European women attractive. I live in Vancouver and there is a large asian population, so I've grown to appreciate those women too and I think Eurasian women are really attractive. Variety is the spice of life. I never understand people on dating profiles who say they will only date from a particular ethnic group. I can understand limiting yourself to the same faith, but not ethnicity. I don't think you need to feel self conscious, there will be lots of men out there who will find you attractive. It's difficult to find anyone in my experience, there has to be mutual attraction, you both have to be available and have to have many of the same values and interests. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Edited March 27, 2013 by trevzilla

[GorillaTheater]

keri and ciara are highly admixed. they look like that because they are mixed with white

 

The way you keep going on about stuff like that is just flat-out creepy. It reminds me of some George Wallace-voting preacher railing against "mis-CEG-i-NAtion."

[ana0pera]

OP, what region in the US (I assume) are you from? that could have a major role in your dating success (or lack thereof) with white men. I live on the West Coast and have gotten significantly more attention from white men here than I did when I was on the East Coast (New England and Mid-Atlantic). My bf is European and he loves black women (as do most of his European friends).

 

You also have some deep seated self-hate, and that's not going to help you find men either, regardless of their race.

 

There were a lot of things in this thread that I fundamentally do not agree with but I don't have time to go through and respond to everything. In sum, I study genetics and it is a complicated thing--there have been studies on South African groups that have no racial admixture but have light skin etc. Africa has more genetic diversity than any other region (even when you discount admixed populations in Africa) because the rest of the world's genetic diversity is a subset of that diversity--although you do have novel adaptations to environments as humans moved around. Think of a bag with 1000 marbles. You take 100 marbles out of the bag, take 10 marbles out of the 100, take 5 marbles out of the 10, etc. The samples are not going to be representative of the original 1,000 marbles. Genetics are just like that. And at each generation it is a bit of a crap shoot.

 

I don't fully agree with the statement that it is harder to tell whether a dark-skinned woman is attractive, it actually comes off a little racist to me (I doubt that was the original intention). I think that if you aren't used to looking at a certain ethnic group, it might be harder to make sense of the nuances in phenotypic diversity. Haven't there been studies of jail lineups or something with regards to that, like it's harder for people to identify a perpetrator if they are from a different race? Anyway, if someone is attractive to you it clicks, unless you are racist and that fully clouds your judgement and ability to view people who look different from you as being fundamentally the same as you. Feeling Frisky, the scenario you described seems more to me like you started liking this girl after you got a better sense of her personality, and it dawned on you later that she was pretty. I don't think this has to do with her blackness as much as it has to do with her personality shining through. I think the scenario you described can apply to anyone--whether the person is your race or not--because sometimes a person becomes hot to you in a delayed fashion. I have definitely known and fallen for guys who I didn't find attractive until I got to know them better. Or a hot person becomes ugly once you get to know them. I've seen it both ways.

 

Since we are talking black and white, I am going to give an example with East Asians A high percentage of the East Asian men I meet, I do not find attractive. When I see one that is attractive though, I know immediately. I don't need to stare for hours or talk to him or anything. If he's hot, he's hot. I would the say the same goes with men of other races, whether I have a preference for them or not. A man is not immediately attractive just because he is white (or black). I think that being white carries some social capital that makes white people more appealing to non-white people, and in some cases an ugly white girl can get more men than a pretty black girl because of that.

[stillafool]

This is what I don't like about being darkskinned...you can't judge if we're pretty right away, or it takes time for you to see the beauty of darkskinned women. I want my beauty to be recognized instantly just like lighter complexions. I don't want to be unique or a mystery. I want to be cookie cutter hot.

 

Do you consider Naomi Campbell pretty? You don't see her complaining about being dark skinned. BTW not all light skinned black women are pretty. Just because a woman is light skinned doesn't make her life any easier. I know this first hand. That is comparable to women who think if they lose a ton of weight their lives will be happier. Not true.

[MissJoness]

Do you consider Naomi Campbell pretty? You don't see her complaining about being dark skinned. BTW not all light skinned black women are pretty. Just because a woman is light skinned doesn't make her life any easier. I know this first hand. That is comparable to women who think if they lose a ton of weight their lives will be happier. Not true.

Yes, Naomi is pretty but she is a famous supermodel who has tons of money as well. There are not many black women in the industry who look like her, that have as much notoriety as she does. She's an exception. Most of the black women in the media are mixed looking. But just because Naomi Campbell is a famous darkskinned supermodel doesn't make it any easier for the average darkskinned Black woman out there who doesn't have fame, money, magazine covers to boost her appeal. I'm still competing with lighter skin girls out in the dating market and losing.

[MissJoness]

I think she does. Her lips, skin color and hair all say Black.

She has a straight nose, light skin, and yeah her hair is kinky but so what? tons of mixed people inherit some traits from their black side..it makes sense since being black is half of their DNA

[stillafool]

Yes, Naomi is pretty but she is a famous supermodel who has tons of money as well. There are not many black women in the industry who look like her, that have as much notoriety as she does. She's an exception. Most of the black women in the media are mixed looking. But just because Naomi Campbell is a famous darkskinned supermodel doesn't make it any easier for the average darkskinned Black woman out there who doesn't have fame, money, magazine covers to boost her appeal. I'm still competing with lighter skin girls out in the dating market and losing.

 

And, not all light skinned women look like Beyonce nor does it make it any easier for light skinned black women to get dates. All women are competing with women of every race in the dating market. So what?

[ana0pera]

Kerry Washington IS mixed, and she does not have features of a person who is predominantly Black. It's a fact. I know a lot of black people like you want to claim mixed looking people as just Black because you feel that they better our race.

 

UGHHHHHHH. It's a fact, then where is the proof? Wikipedia tells me her mother is of Jamaican descent, which can mean anything because there are so many ethnic groups there. I can't find anything about her father. I don't really care, but it seems like it's so important to you, so where is the proof?

Do you have a genotype for her? Is she more than 50% white? Is her dad white? Is her mom white? Are her parents both bi-racial, making her 50:50 as well???

 

 

"mixed looking people"... smh. Virtually all African Americans--virtually all people in the Americas with black ancestry from the slave trade--are admixed, it doesn't "better our race." It is what it is. Sometimes those genes from other, non-African groups are dominant, sometimes they aren't. It's a numbers game, and probability. When I give facts I give proof too:

 

http://genomebiology.com/content/pdf/gb-2009-10-12-r141.pdf

 

Race Now: #2: How White Are Blacks? How Black Are Whites? by Steve Sailer for UPI; Mark. D. Shriver, admixture, genetic, gene, race, miscegenation, African-American, passing, Sally Hemmings

 

There is a lot of phenotypic diversity in Africa, even at local scales. Unless you've been to Africa, met a statistically significant percentage of each ethnic group there, and took phenotypic data, I would be very hesitant to say that certain traits are not African, but European/Asian/etc. It's probably the scientist in me that doesn't like blanket statements like the ones you've made, they make my blood boil.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2953791/pdf/nihms235397.pdf

[Nyla]

I wish I could love and accept my darkskin but I can't. It's a huge burden that I'm tired of carrying with me everyday.

 

If I can learn to love my dark skin after years of being told it was ugly and being rejected by my own black men, you can do the same. The real issue is your self esteem and not the darkness of your skin. Focus on obtaining some counseling rather than trying to bleach your skin.

 

You are not looking at the fact that so many black people look disgusting when they bleach their skin.

 

I know an FB group for white men who want to date black women and so many of the white men on there celebrate dark skin. Sometimes we as blacks can be more racist than white people when it comes to skin tone. My husband is white and he describes my skin as "majestic". He also says I have the softest skin he has ever felt on a woman and I am the only black lady he has ever been with.

[MissJoness]

UGHHHHHHH. It's a fact, then where is the proof? Wikipedia tells me her mother is of Jamaican descent, which can mean anything because there are so many ethnic groups there. I can't find anything about her father. I don't really care, but it seems like it's so important to you, so where is the proof?

Do you have a genotype for her? Is she more than 50% white? Is her dad white? Is her mom white? Are her parents both bi-racial, making her 50:50 as well???

 

 

"mixed looking people"... smh. Virtually all African Americans--virtually all people in the Americas with black ancestry from the slave trade--are admixed, it doesn't "better our race." It is what it is. Sometimes those genes from other, non-African groups are dominant, sometimes they aren't. It's a numbers game, and probability. When I give facts I give proof too:

 

http://genomebiology.com/content/pdf/gb-2009-10-12-r141.pdf

 

Race Now: #2: How White Are Blacks? How Black Are Whites? by Steve Sailer for UPI; Mark. D. Shriver, admixture, genetic, gene, race, miscegenation, African-American, passing, Sally Hemmings

 

There is a lot of phenotypic diversity in Africa, even at local scales. Unless you've been to Africa, met a statistically significant percentage of each ethnic group there, and took phenotypic data, I would be very hesitant to say that certain traits are not African, but European/Asian/etc. It's probably the scientist in me that doesn't like blanket statements like the ones you've made, they make my blood boil.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2953791/pdf/nihms235397.pdf

 

it doesn't matter because Kerry has a look that is more accepted in mainstream due to her skin tone and straight nose.

 

i have never seen any unmixed black people who look like her, unless she has gotten plastic surgery to get the look she has right now. she does look lighter now than in the past

[MissJoness]

No you're wrong it's that you are trying to push us out as if the only true african american is a certain type and honestly the way you talk reminds me of a white supremacist. And that's not cool. You keep trying to give white people all the credit when not all of us who happen to be Carmel complected because we have white in us. Some of us are full black with all four great grandparents dark skinned with some short hair some long and float hair. The color is just a range. And the nose can be of a certain mutation in families. But it doesn't have to be because they're part white. That's insulting you try to claim all black people look a certain way. That's an insult.

maybe I feel that I am the true african american type because people tell me that ? I always get asked if I am from Africa which is really annoying to me. I hate it. but yeah, people always tell me I look african and full black. so I have reasons for feeling the way I do. people like kerry washington are lightskin and look mixed to me because i rarely meet people who look like her without having a significant admixture . you can try to claim her look is pure blck all you want but i am not buying it no matter what

[MissJoness]

Yeah I think she's stuck on her nose it's really annoying. She's not even light skinned.

she is lightskinned in comparison to someone like me. she is not dark at all

[MissJoness]

I'd like to add that it's always the ADMIXED looking african americans who push me out making me feel like i am not a true african american because i dont have a slightly admixed look. they are the ones who are always telling me i look like i'm from africa because i dont have light brown skin and a straight nose

[MissJoness]

No she's not light skinned. She's medium brown. There's light medium and dark. She's medium. No one EVER would consider Kerry Washington light. Some who want to believe no good looking women could be black would say she's mixed maybe. But that's just ignorance. Fact is she's not light and she's not mixed. Not even by complexion. Have you even ever seen a mixed person that looked as dark as her or had her hair likely not... She's black just a different type. Btw west africans look similar to African Americans. I remember my mom ex coworker blended in as African American and he was from cote d'ivoire.

 

that's because the mixed look is so often mistaken for the black look that people forget what blak really looks like. kerry is not biracial but she has a highly admixed look. she is on the light side in comparison to someone dark like me. its obvious you must be a lightskin person trying to pass mixed people off as black

[ana0pera]

it doesn't matter because Kerry has a look that is more accepted in mainstream due to her skin tone and straight nose.

 

i have never seen any unmixed black people who look like her, unless she has gotten plastic surgery to get the look she has right now. she does look lighter now than in the past

 

 

Could be plastic surgery. Could be photoshop.

 

I agree with Nyla, you should seek some counseling. You would probably classify me as "admixed" African American and maybe not take what I am about to say seriously because it's true, I've never been called some of the horrible things I've heard said to my darker family and friends. I've never bullied other African Americans (or Africans) because of their looks, I do know that this happens in our community though and it is NOT okay.

 

From one Black woman to another, you need to accept yourself first, before others accept you. To hell with those who don't like you for who you are. Being black is beautiful, I don't say it as a platitude I truly mean it, and you need to learn how to believe that too. It doesn't matter if you have one drop or a thousand drops of black blood, our story is unique and we have triumphed over a lot of adversity, even though we still have a way to go. Self-hate is not going to help you or our community advance. The people telling you you're too black or whatever they're saying (I assume it's this) are ashamed of their blackness and reminders of it. I remember having Nigerian kids in my class who were picked on by African Americans because they were African--the Indian and other immigrants were never picked on for their names or looks though. Not everyone is like that though and there are plenty of decent black, white, and other people out there. You need to surround yourself with people like that. Are you from the South, MissJoness? Or a predominantly black/racially segregated area? I find that the insecurities you've discussed are more prevalent in those types of communities than communities that are racially and socioeconomically diverse, but that isn't necessarily a universal truth. One of my friends (who is technically half-black) and I moved from New England to California around the same time, and when we were in New England we both had very little luck with dating because of the community we lived in (lots of WASPs who had never even seen black people, and while polite, not interested in black culture) but once we got here, we both received interests from all races of men--I daresay I've gotten more attention than her even though I have more "African" features. And I wouldn't say that it's people acting on fetishes, I've felt it was genuine.

[123321]

I know I hear a lot of white guys say rihanna is hot. But I am no where near her skin tone, nor do I have green eyes or any mixed features. I was just wondering if I am wasting my time trying to pursue white guys if I am dark with African features

 

If the girl is pretty I don't care what the color is.

[Bill13]

Everyone has a type, you probably just haven't met someone that you are his type. Conversely you might not like someone that finds you his type either.

[MissJoness]

Could be plastic surgery. Could be photoshop.

 

I agree with Nyla, you should seek some counseling. You would probably classify me as "admixed" African American and maybe not take what I am about to say seriously because it's true, I've never been called some of the horrible things I've heard said to my darker family and friends. I've never bullied other African Americans (or Africans) because of their looks, I do know that this happens in our community though and it is NOT okay.

 

From one Black woman to another, you need to accept yourself first, before others accept you. To hell with those who don't like you for who you are. Being black is beautiful, I don't say it as a platitude I truly mean it, and you need to learn how to believe that too. It doesn't matter if you have one drop or a thousand drops of black blood, our story is unique and we have triumphed over a lot of adversity, even though we still have a way to go. Self-hate is not going to help you or our community advance. The people telling you you're too black or whatever they're saying (I assume it's this) are ashamed of their blackness and reminders of it. I remember having Nigerian kids in my class who were picked on by African Americans because they were African--the Indian and other immigrants were never picked on for their names or looks though. Not everyone is like that though and there are plenty of decent black, white, and other people out there. You need to surround yourself with people like that. Are you from the South, MissJoness? Or a predominantly black/racially segregated area? I find that the insecurities you've discussed are more prevalent in those types of communities than communities that are racially and socioeconomically diverse, but that isn't necessarily a universal truth. One of my friends (who is technically half-black) and I moved from New England to California around the same time, and when we were in New England we both had very little luck with dating because of the community we lived in (lots of WASPs who had never even seen black people, and while polite, not interested in black culture) but once we got here, we both received interests from all races of men--I daresay I've gotten more attention than her even though I have more "African" features. And I wouldn't say that it's people acting on fetishes, I've felt it was genuine.

 

 

No, i don't want to accept how i look, I'll feel better if I can change it. When I lighten my skin, it really lifts my self esteem and I feel like one of the pretty African American girls on the inside. I don't like my nose, and I know its the reason why I get asked if I am from Africa. I hate to say it but I don't want to look like an African at all..most of the beautiful African American women in the media all have this admixed or mixed look to them. None of them look fully Black. And there are so many negative stereotypes associated with looking fully Black that I would like to escape the burden.

 

Then when I go out in public, most of the guys are with girls who are caramel complected or lighter...so its hard for me to try to put up a front that darkskin and looking black is so beautiful when everyday I go out into the world I am clearly reminded that its NOT beautiful. Most black people I see with children are lightskin...most of the black girls who get compliments on their hair have soft textured hair or are lightskinned. It's tough being far from the standard of beauty. Very tough. I just want to be able to fit in more and look like the standard.

[MissJoness]

If the girl is pretty I don't care what the color is.

this isn't true. if the girl is really dark but pretty most guys will sleep with her but they wouldn't dare take her out in public or let her meet their family. i'm so tired of everyone making it seem like color doesn't matter when it truly does matter. just look at the type of partners most black men have..the girl is always lighter