Will there be a physical war against Christ when he returns?

[pureinheart]

It says in Revelation that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord. So, there must be a pretty big Revelation that is going to go down. My number one thought on this currently is that we will all see precisely where Jesus went when He died for us - spread out in the sky, like the ultimate TV, Surround System. This may be inspired by my love of film and the arts though.

 

I think that all our experiences will then 'come together' because we are all just a big family really. I think all the ascended masters will be there too. The great ones who have pondered wisdom over the centuries, the great and the small and all our stories will be told in one. I can't wait!

 

So, yeah, I tend to just accept people where ever they are at. Some are great great helpers and will be very glad to know the truth finally, some are idiots - but the aim is love. Also, it states in Revelation that hell and the false prophet will be chucked into the lake of fire, which really is something to comprehend visually. Hope it's in 3D, lol.

 

So, yes I believe that there is a great unfolding in spirit that needs to happen to tie up all the loose ends of those who are close and those who are far from God and prayer is the primary key.

 

Now, I am not a churched person and don't know much about the rapture on a personal level. It says that The Holy Spirit will be removed in those last days, so I don't think I will around then as I live entirely by The Holy Spirit. It says that people will not be able to be saved in those times, which suggests to me that it is the presence of The Holy Spirit which saves us. I think many people have been inadvertenly following The Holy Spirit and His absence will provide a testimony that is important. So, in total I see us all as playing a part via our spiritual identities which are given at birth. I think that we are perplexed mostly by the destiny of this spirit we have been given and most off our turmoil comes from not being sure if God loves us or not. Well, since I resolved that God loves me.. things have been going pretty ok. So, I am not sure about the rapture but I do believe that the point you reached when you reached out for prayer was a real point reached in your spiritual development.

 

My biggest advice is to simply live your life well. Love God but really honestly examine whether you know you are loved by God. I admitted to God that I was not sure about His love for me and this was a massive key in my development. Once you know God loves you, truly nowt can bother you again and it is easy to love others.. which are the two requirements of the Law. Sin becomes less of an issue after that. I am not perfect at all but rarely sin nowadays. So, I think it is a process which God Has already signed up to seeing through to the final Revelation.

 

Bcoming rapture ready, if there is such a thing, must therefore be about seeking God beyond our short comings, disbelief and discontent - which is what prayer is designed for. All I know is that the work that has begun, God will finish. Some are more attuned to this than others but I think this is because they are 'marked' as such or experiences have pushed them over an edge that has made them more aware. I don't ever see it as being some are better than others.

 

I know that most people will never believe in demonic forces until they see it for themselves. I don't think it is easily proved here but there is mounting evidence from survivors and those who have come through spiritual attack that suggests that the demons are actually seriously organised, lol.

 

I probably should have sent this via PM but really I don't mind if people think I am crazy, as I know I am not.

 

Take care,

Eve x

 

Excellent advice Eve, thank you:D and will search my heart for these things you mentioned. Thinking the two biggest points are living ones life well and knowing that God does love us. These are the very points that need work.

 

Thinking the is why The Bible series was so significant- they focused on the love God has for us. It was truly a mind changing experience.

 

Knowing this is wrong, yet still have a tendancy to look at "man" and measure Gods love with "mans" love. Man was never meant to fulfill all of the needs of man.

 

I should have asked my prayer partner what she meant by 'Rapture ready'. Deep down I know that we cannot work our way to anything Godly without Gods hand on it- all other works are born from the flesh IMO. I call our works where God is involved as co-laboring with Him. Like salvation for instance- there is something we have to do in order to be saved, we make a choice, but could we save oursevles? No, we need a Savior. After salvation, I believe there is a season for everything, meaning what God has us do in one situation may not be the same in the next or similar situation- hoping this communicates what I'm trying to say:)

 

Concerning the demonic spirit realm, you hit it right on the money. Satan has an organised army, as well as the Angelic realm, much like our military today.

 

Thanks again Eve, am gonna set my mind on those two points pronto:D

[M30USA]

Eve, do you believe every person will eventually wind up in heaven?

[Eve]

Eve, do you believe every person will eventually wind up in heaven?

 

No, some won't want to go at all because they hate God and love the world. This world works well for them and they have no interest in God.

 

I do take God to His word that He will save all off my generations though.

 

Take care,

Eve x

[Eve]

Excellent advice Eve, thank you:D and will search my heart for these things you mentioned. Thinking the two biggest points are living ones life well and knowing that God does love us. These are the very points that need work.

 

Thinking the is why The Bible series was so significant- they focused on the love God has for us. It was truly a mind changing experience.

 

Knowing this is wrong, yet still have a tendancy to look at "man" and measure Gods love with "mans" love. Man was never meant to fulfill all of the needs of man.

I should have asked my prayer partner what she meant by 'Rapture ready'. Deep down I know that we cannot work our way to anything Godly without Gods hand on it- all other works are born from the flesh IMO. I call our works where God is involved as co-laboring with Him. Like salvation for instance- there is something we have to do in order to be saved, we make a choice, but could we save oursevles? No, we need a Savior. After salvation, I believe there is a season for everything, meaning what God has us do in one situation may not be the same in the next or similar situation- hoping this communicates what I'm trying to say:)

Concerning the demonic spirit realm, you hit it right on the money. Satan has an organised army, as well as the Angelic realm, much like our military today.

 

Thanks again Eve, am gonna set my mind on those two points pronto:D

 

I understand. I see this as what is meant by our lives being hidden in The Christ. I think we are living out our purpose by grace but can't fully feel it. I do think that we can beat ourselves up too much though within the process and even adopt anxiety as a means of testing ourselves out. I wish things were more clear cut somethimes! but I can identify with how things such as TV programmes can inspire us to reach out yet further. I thought off the Alien and Angels Documentary Series when I first saw this thread. It was very good - secular but very very well presented. Especially the one about Nazi technology being inspired by aliens/the occult.

 

ancient aliens series 2 - YouTube

 

I would like to know what this 'rapture ready' means also.

 

Wow, not many acknowledge that there are dark forces. I cannot wait for everything to be fully revealed so everyone can see and we can see everyone fully.

 

Take care,

Eve x

[Eve]

M30USA - Do you just think about the judgment side to Revelation?

 

I tend to think about people who I know being made whole by Gods presence returning to Earth more than the judgement side to matters. Having sought Gods presence and finding no fear there when He is present I don't understand why anyone would not want to be with God - but in the same breath I accept fully that there will be some who won't want to be partakers.

 

I was talking with my favourite brother about this the other day - he has fully accepted Christ now after many years off being very anti Jesus. Of course I just loved him the same because he is my brother. Anyway, we decided that there must be a way planned to end the suffering off those who will not want to be partakers of Gods kingdom, after all is said and done. This is important to us.

 

I see Revelation as a beginning as well as an end. I find no joy thinking that people are my enemy or enemies of God. To be honest, I don't even have any enemies. Even my H ex wife has calmed her blonde self down, lol. I have witnessed amazing things from God, so trust Him completely now. Didn't used to but I do now. In total, I don't think it is worth the bother to turn against anyone because of what they think may happen during those times.

 

I think we can only exercise personal responsibility and live by our convictions.

 

Hope that clarifies my extreme positivity when I speak about Revelation. I really do love God and can't wait for what He Has shown me to come to pass!

 

Take care,

Eve x

[pureinheart]

I understand. I see this as what is meant by our lives being hidden in The Christ. I think we are living out our purpose by grace but can't fully feel it. I do think that we can beat ourselves up too much though within the process and even adopt anxiety as a means of testing ourselves out. I wish things were more clear cut somethimes! but I can identify with how things such as TV programmes can inspire us to reach out yet further. I thought off the Alien and Angels Documentary Series when I first saw this thread. It was very good - secular but very very well presented. Especially the one about Nazi technology being inspired by aliens/the occult.

 

ancient aliens series 2 - YouTube

 

I would like to know what this 'rapture ready' means also.

 

Wow, not many acknowledge that there are dark forces. I cannot wait for everything to be fully revealed so everyone can see and we can see everyone fully.

 

Take care,

Eve x

 

Thank you so much Eve for the link, I'm going to watch it when it's quiet because it sounds so interesting!

 

Many have told me not to beat myself up, although there is a tendancy to take things too hard. That's getting better though, am learning how to accept things the way they are- if I mess up, will try to rectify it, if it can't be rectified then just move on.

 

Bold- I know this prayer partner was anointed, her prayer was anointed and God ordained that- I felt the power and even saw results today- awww the power of prayer:) I am curious too and pray that God gives the answer.

 

LOL, I know what you mean, it's a real enemy, of which I don't underestimate...our battle is not against flesh and blood, but with principalities and things in high places (think that's how it goes:D)

 

(((((((hugs Eve)))))), you're a doll!

[Eve]

Thank you so much Eve for the link, I'm going to watch it when it's quiet because it sounds so interesting!

 

Many have told me not to beat myself up, although there is a tendancy to take things too hard. That's getting better though, am learning how to accept things the way they are- if I mess up, will try to rectify it, if it can't be rectified then just move on.

 

Bold- I know this prayer partner was anointed, her prayer was anointed and God ordained that- I felt the power and even saw results today- awww the power of prayer:) I am curious too and pray that God gives the answer.

 

LOL, I know what you mean, it's a real enemy, of which I don't underestimate...our battle is not against flesh and blood, but with principalities and things in high places (think that's how it goes:D)

 

(((((((hugs Eve)))))), you're a doll!

 

I hate seeing anyone in turmoil. From the things you write it is obvious that you try your best but yes I do think that it is a wrestling definitely of powers and principalities which is part of the faith journey. Glad you reached out and received prayer.

 

I am really intrigued by what you have said regarding the rapture because I have not taken the rapture that seriously. I can be a bit suspicious as I trust God primarily to lead me.. but over the Easter period I found there to be a hightened state of spiritual attack so I am pretty alert right now and feel that this is something to look into further. I am excited though!

 

Yes, the programmes are really interesting. Add this also to your list. It aired last night where I live and basically is in support of the things M30USA has been wrestling with! .. with much more chucked in for good measure.

 

It is all about Revelation, The Pope and aliens/demonic activity.

 

 

I have watched it about 4 times since last night, lol.

 

Take care,

Eve x

[skydiveaddict]

The early church fathers all believed the rapture. That means its been around for at least 1500 years. Please check your facts.

 

Wrong. It's a relatively new theology, about 150 years or so. Name me one of the church fathers who subscribed to this. Since all of the church fathers were catholic, I would think you would disbelieve anything they said anyway.

[steveT95]

I haven't read any other posts but will throw in my opinion because everyone does it these days.

Apparently he won't return until no one expecting it, so while this conversation is happening he won't be returning.

If he did come back and people wanted to fight him, I'm sure he could cause a few more floods or tyrannosaurus rex attacks.

Excuse the ignorance.

 

But believe what you like if it brings you comfort, it won't change anything but if it makes you feel better that is what is important.

[M30USA]

Wrong. It's a relatively new theology, about 150 years or so. Name me one of the church fathers who subscribed to this. Since all of the church fathers were catholic, I would think you would disbelieve anything they said anyway.

 

The word "rapture" is new. I will give you that. But the concept of what is called "harpazo" (in Greek), as described in 2 Thesalonians, has been around for 2000 years. It literally means "the snatching up" and refers to what will happen to Christians "in the twinkling on an eye" when they will be "caught up in the clouds" to be with Christ.

 

Don't listen to the nonsense about this being a new idea. Maybe it's gotten more attention in recent times, but its been in the Bible 2000 years and even understood by the early church.

[M30USA]

I'd like to see what you have to back up this claim.

 

If I did, would it give the rapture more credibility in your eyes?