Do you think most women end up settling with a guy who is less attractive than them?

[mesmerized]

It doesn't matter whether it's fatness, big noses, shortness, a double chin, a flat chest or whatever. You are dismissing people because they don't LOOK GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU. If it's shallow for the OP, it's shallow for you.

 

I bet you've been called on this literally over 100 times here. Why do you criticize women for having a "looks" standard and expect people to take yours seriously? It's an atrocious double standard.

 

So carry on, but give the accusations of shallowness a break, unless you are leveling them at yourself.

 

I find it hilarious that the idea of average for him is the average 20 year old girl on a campus in southern California.

 

Dude, you're 30+, and most probably less attractive than the average 20 year old guy on your campus. The average 20 year old girl on campus is not your league.

 

Also, I find it funny how guys on this forum feel proud that they are not "fat". I don't know where you live but most young men I know aren't fat, quite the opposite actually. Not being fat for a guy is hardly the definition of attractive. We women spend a lot of time and money on staying in shape, hair, makeup, style and all you have to offer is not being fat?!

[Mme. Chaucer]

If the bold and capital letters didn't get my post across to you then nothing will.

 

 

Your point being: Rejecting fat women, flat chested or over 23 year old women is acceptable, and not shallow.

 

What about a man rejecting a woman because she is 6 inches taller than he is? Is that okay? I mean, other men might have different "minimum standards" than you do. Are those all shallow?

[Eternal Sunshine]

I find it hilarious that the idea of average for him is the average 20 year old girl on a campus in southern California.

 

Dude, you're 30+, and most probably less attractive than the average 20 year old guy on your campus. The average 20 year old girl on campus is not your league.

 

Also, I find it funny how guys on this forum feel proud that they are not "fat". I don't know where you live but most young men I know aren't fat, quite the opposite actually. Not being fat for a guy is hardly the definition of attractive. We women spend a lot of time and money on staying in shape, hair, makeup, style and all you have to offer is not being fat?!

 

In fact, being thin is usually a turn off on a guy. LOL at "I am not fat".

 

Unfortunately, somedude doesn't have much going for him right now (that's why I advise him to graduate and get a job) and then he should be in better position to date, not to mention meet other women closer to his age.

 

When I was in college, we had this 30+ dude in our class hitting on us and we were all really creeped out :S

[ltjg45]

We women spend a lot of time and money on staying in shape, hair, makeup, style and all you have to offer is not being fat?!

 

I got more than that to offer.

 

Even if I don't, I certainly don't walk around all high and mighty because I'm not as big as some of the people around me are.

 

Despite that, I doubt the majority of males is asking for all of that from you. Wasn't there some kind of proof of some sort that shows that the only reason why women put so much focus on beauty is due to competition from other women?

 

If that's the case, then why are you targeting the males? I don't expect my woman to be drop-dead gorgeous. If you are, then there is no way I will approach you unless I expect to get embarrassed on the spot and be the new donkey on the block.

 

......

 

I rather pass.

[Mme. Chaucer]

I find it hilarious that the idea of average for him is the average 20 year old girl on a campus in southern California.

 

NO KIDDING.

 

Also, I find it funny how guys on this forum feel proud that they are not "fat". I don't know where you live but most young men I know aren't fat, quite the opposite actually. Not being fat for a guy is hardly the definition of attractive.

 

You can say all that again!

 

Not fat and not a serial killer = entitlement to a hot girlfriend.

 

News flash! A fat guy who's compelling, intriguing, passionate about his life, etc. etc. etc. would get me much more interested than someone who is simply … not fat.

[mesmerized]

I got more than that to offer.

 

Even if I don't, I certainly don't walk around all high and mighty because I'm not as big as some of the people around me are.

 

Despite that, I doubt the majority of males is asking for all of that from you. Wasn't there some kind of proof of some sort that shows that the only reason why women put so much focus on beauty is due to competition from other women?

 

If that's the case, then why are you targeting the males? I don't expect my woman to be drop-dead gorgeous. If you are, then there is no way I will approach you unless I expect to get embarrassed on the spot and be the new donkey on the block.

 

......

 

I rather pass.

 

And why are women competing with other women? to get THE MEN.

 

I just love when I hear this reasoning on this forum. How simple can one be?

[Mme. Chaucer]

Its what happens when you subscribe to a philosophy (leagues) and that very same philosophy dismantles your own argument.

 

Why can't he address the dichotomy? Not aware of it, or just being obtuse? If the former - alarming.

[ThaWholigan]

Why can't he address the dichotomy? Not aware of it, or just being obtuse? If the former - alarming.

No, its the former. He really believes that. Nothing we can say to that - he has to figure that one out on his own. That's his own flawed thinking.

 

Not to say that he should date fat girls - but he needs to let go of the dating habits of others and focus on his own.

[somedude81]

I find it hilarious that the idea of average for him is the average 20 year old girl on a campus in southern California.

 

Dude, you're 30+, and most probably less attractive than the average 20 year old guy on your campus.

That depends on how many points I lose for being short.

 

Other than my height, I'd say I'm smack dab in the middle of average.

The average 20 year old girl on campus is not your league.

I strongly disagree with you.

 

Also, I find it funny how guys on this forum feel proud that they are not "fat". I don't know where you live but most young men I know aren't fat, quite the opposite actually. Not being fat for a guy is hardly the definition of attractive. We women spend a lot of time and money on staying in shape, hair, makeup, style and all you have to offer is not being fat?!

Sorry, I don't buy it that most girls spend lots of time and money "staying in shape, hair, makeup, style."

 

From how I see it, the average girl does nothing to stay in shape, wears what ever clothes she feels comfortable in and puts on a little bit of makeup.

Your point being: Rejecting fat women, flat chested or over 23 year old women is acceptable, and not shallow.

First of all, I'm not rejecting any one.

 

Not being interested in fat women does not make me shallow.

 

The others are non-issues.

 

What about a man rejecting a woman because she is 6 inches taller than he is? Is that okay? I mean, other men might have different "minimum standards" than you do. Are those all shallow?

That's fine too, six inches is a bit of stretch and more than I'm comfortable with.

[ltjg45]

And why are women competing with other women? to get THE MEN.

 

I just love when I hear this reasoning on this forum. How simple can one be?

 

Are you sure THAT is the only reason why women put such an emphasis on beauty?

 

Because I hardly doubt it esp. since the men the women want tend to be glorified players who is enjoying being chased.

 

After all, even though women does put more value in personality than men, that doesn't mean physical attraction has no value.

 

If you wanted to find an average guy with a good personality that you can click with, why not just "dress average"? Why walk around with make-up, high heels, etc etc on a daily basis, unless you are looking for Mr. Perfect or Mr. Close-To-Perfect?

 

It doesn't make any sense. It actually makes more sense for males to up their own beauty than it is for the females.

[somedude81]

And why are women competing with other women? to get THE MEN.

 

I just love when I hear this reasoning on this forum. How simple can one be?

Correction.

 

To get the same hot men that they all want.

 

Since the average girl is super shallow, normal dudes aren't good enough for them. So they try to make themselves as hot as possible so the desired guys can use them for sex

[Archgirl]

Funny you say this. I'm pursuing a girl that's about 6 feet (I'm 5'6). My friends don't think she's all that hot, but when I first saw her, I was like "DAYUM!"

 

I know she's at least attracted to me because we've kissed already and I could tell by the way she looks at me.

 

I'm seeing her next weekend and I'm whipping out my retired 4 inch lifts so that she doesn't feel so awkward about the height difference.

 

 

:lmao:I read this and all I could think was that you are wearing heels on a date

 

what is the thread about again?

[Mme. Chaucer]

 

Since the average girl is super shallow, normal dudes aren't good enough for them.

 

Well, since you believe this so wholeheartedly, it should be fine for you to accept not being with an average girl, since they don't like "normal" guys. Plus they're all shallow, right? So who wants them?

[somedude81]

Well, since you believe this so wholeheartedly, it should be fine for you to accept not being with an average girl, since they don't like "normal" guys. Plus they're all shallow, right? So who wants them?

Better than being alone, so I'll keep trying.

 

Also maybe one day I'll meet a non-shallow one who is open to dating.

[Mme. Chaucer]

 

I do not believe that anybody, man or woman, who wants somebody at their attractiveness level is shallow.

 

 

You know what? I just realize that you don't even understand the meaning of the word "attractive." It's not what you think of yourself when you look in the mirror. Its about ATTRACTING others.

 

How much attracting others are you doing? On a scale of 1 - 10? I think, to find a girl in your real league of attractiveness, you need one who is at the same level of attracting men so far in her life as you've been in attracting women.

[Djz05]

Hahahaha no I actually have boots that are way too big for me. I have tons of shoe lifts that I basically stack up in the boot. I've measured myself multiple times and about a little over 5'10. It's pretty uncomfortable, but this girl is pretty awesome so it's worth a little discomfort.

 

And if she ends up turning me down, at least I'll know that I tried my best.

 

PS: For the sake of staying on topic, no, I don't believe that most women settle.

 

The first time i read about you mentioning boots and lifts I remember doingthe same thing in highschool haha.

 

Does she know you're going to use them next time you see her? Im definitely curious how shes going to react if she sees you and you didnt tell her haha.

[Archgirl]

Hahahaha no I actually have boots that are way too big for me. I have tons of shoe lifts that I basically stack up in the boot. I've measured myself multiple times and about a little over 5'10. It's pretty uncomfortable, but this girl is pretty awesome so it's worth a little discomfort.

 

And if she ends up turning me down, at least I'll know that I tried my best.

 

PS: For the sake of staying on topic, no, I don't believe that most women settle.

 

But what on earth will you do if she does the opposite of turn you down and then the next morning you have to explain that you were wearing heels and that is why you are suddenly only 5'6?!?!

 

 

And as to the topic: I believe I am settling for guys less attractive than me but it's ok; through years of therapy i've learned to just accept that I am supremely awesome

[mesmerized]

That depends on how many points I lose for being short.

 

Other than my height, I'd say I'm smack dab in the middle of average.

 

I strongly disagree with you.

 

 

Sorry, I don't buy it that most girls spend lots of time and money "staying in shape, hair, makeup, style."

 

From how I see it, the average girl does nothing to stay in shape, wears what ever clothes she feels comfortable in and puts on a little bit of makeup.

 

First of all, I'm not rejecting any one.

 

Not being interested in fat women does not make me shallow.

 

The others are non-issues.

 

 

That's fine too, six inches is a bit of stretch and more than I'm comfortable with.

 

I've seen your definition of "average" and no, she was faaar from average. Perhaps you need to see things for what they are instead of labeling women as shallow.

 

And yeah, 18 year olds on your campus don't need to put that much into being fit. They already are as hot as it can get. Are you?

 

Are you sure THAT is the only reason why women put such an emphasis on beauty?

 

Because I hardly doubt it esp. since the men the women want tend to be glorified players who is enjoying being chased.

 

After all, even though women does put more value in personality than men, that doesn't mean physical attraction has no value.

 

If you wanted to find an average guy with a good personality that you can click with, why not just "dress average"? Why walk around with make-up, high heels, etc etc on a daily basis, unless you are looking for Mr. Perfect or Mr. Close-To-Perfect?

 

It doesn't make any sense. It actually makes more sense for males to up their own beauty than it is for the females.

 

dude, you're just way too clueless. Even the "average" dudes drool over the made up girls. I don't care how much they come here and say they don't. Most people I hang out with on a daily basis are men and they see me as one of the guys. I see what they like and don't like.

 

Also, YES, women put effort into themselves to find a great guy, why not? And why on earth can't you guys do the same? Oh wait, you already think you're perfect cause "you're not fat".

[ltjg45]

Oh wait, you already think you're perfect cause "you're not fat".

 

No, I don't think that way. Even if I'm not fat, I consider myself to be a pitiful excuse of a human being.

 

If what you said was true, I wouldn't bother putting all of this effort trying to find work.

[somedude81]

You know what? I just realize that you don't even understand the meaning of the word "attractive." It's not what you think of yourself when you look in the mirror. Its about ATTRACTING others.

 

How much attracting others are you doing? On a scale of 1 - 10? I think, to find a girl in your real league of attractiveness, you need one who is at the same level of attracting men so far in her life as you've been in attracting women.

I haven't thought of it in that way before.

 

My ability to attract others is basically zero.

 

My guess is that the average man is probably a 3.

 

The average woman is basically an 8.

[Archgirl]

LOL she knows how tall I really am. I wasn't wearing my lifts when I first met her.

 

I reckon don't do it dude.

 

It's way hotter when a guy is self assured and unapologetic for who he is.

 

Seriously though i'm getting the impression that there are no women in America under about 5'7. Where are all the littleies like me?

 

Edit: nevermind, I figured it out: prolly dating the guys 6 foot plus

[suladas]

I reckon don't do it dude.

 

It's way hotter when a guy is self assured and unapologetic for who he is.

 

Seriously though i'm getting the impression that there are no women in America under about 5'7. Where are all the littleies like me?

 

Edit: nevermind, I figured it out: prolly dating the guys 6 foot plus

 

There is plenty of them, and yes they are with the giants!

[Lonely Ronin]

Edit: nevermind, I figured it out: prolly dating the guys 6 foot plus

 

I can vouch for this, I'm 10 inches taller than the woman I'm currently dating.

[tbf]

Edit: nevermind, I figured it out: prolly dating the guys 6 foot plus

H is 6'3" and I'm 5'2.5".

[ScreamingTrees]

In fact, being thin is usually a turn off on a guy. LOL at "I am not fat".

 

http://www.operatorchan.org/pt/src/134821273681.jpg I dislike the terms and the several photos that look quite similar, but..

 

I'd personally MUCH rather have an ottermode body, or at my best an athletic body (essentially ottermode with more muscle mass anyway) than the chubbier body types.

 

I can't see how that would be a turn off any moreso than the chubby builds, especially if guys my age are all starting to get nasty shapeless bodies because of how poorly they take care of them..

 

Most women online seem to agree with me, far as I can read, no matter what site I'm lurking on.