Treasa Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Now everyone is arguing. Perfect. I'm off for a pint Good night everyone Take me with you? I'm buying. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I generalize because I know men well....extremely well. Do you think I just fell of a donkey in the middle of a desert and found my way towards the nearest civilized town? I mean c'mon, I've been a man my entire life and have spoken to way more men about things wholeheartedly and honestly then you'll ever come close to. And when it comes to generalizing It's "general" meaning that this is what in general is what you're going to see. But I'm sorry that In your world if squirrels like nuts then that's generalizing, because I'm sure there is a squirrel out there who hates nuts and only eats bananas...so ridiculous. People want to think it's "the way I think" because that's how most people give advice/perspective, from their personal experiences and social group. I've interacted with all kinds of men, from the big fish to the small, to married men, to single, from old to young. You think putting spots on a tiger makes him a cheetah, sorry, you can live in that fantasy world, you can believe in the facade and lies that men try so hard to create that women don't see the real core of the man...the superficial world you choose to believe in and take at face value. None of these guys are honest with you, that's the hilarious thing. You think when I talk to men in the "real world" these guys contest and disagree with me? You think i don't both relate to men and women in real life?...You know where I've gotten my information from? real life breathing men, yes folks, not my own man-made dungeon where I concoct all these ridiculous philosophies and theories...generalizing my way through life knowing nothing....you know what it "looks" that way sometimes? because these damn men are lying to you! But go ahead, shoot the messenger who simply articulates it and puts it in realistic and unfiltered way for the rest of the world to hear and understand. And of course men get attached after sex as well...why is this even an argument? You want to believe in whatever idealistic fantasies you have about men? ha go ahead...knock yourself out, I know men well enough and am confident in my knowledge not to mention have little faith in what you know about men, especially from the comments in "defense" of what I'm saying or generalizations, in fact men even support that my threads at times even though it's harsh and you STILL don't believe it... you think you know better then break it down and explain it to me from your vast sources of knowledge and unbiased opinion...because for one, you're not a man, and two I know these men would never be completely honest with you because that takes a line to cross that most men loathe, a level of truth to unfiltered and self-defeating to admit...can't you see that is apart of "the game", I'm breaking all the rules telling women how it is, however a man's biggest ally will always be her own denial to accept the truth, whether he's feeding her BS or stringing her along...sometimes they are both the same. But you know what..."some" men are like this or that, and other men are not....oh no of course not, the men you know are clearly from a different planet...I don't even know why people write books! how can they possibly "generalize" I bet nobody is buying those, well except for the poor idiots and fools not associated with the respectable and pious associates that you are blessed enough to be surrounded by. See?? Way more harsh on us 1 Link to post Share on other sites
reaver Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 See?? Way more harsh on us I didnt even read it past 4 sentences. ThaWholigan Im surprised you encourage people that generalize. Dont get mad when more woman come this site posting things that generalize then... Link to post Share on other sites
Treasa Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 See?? Way more harsh on us NiP's opinions have never bothered me. I think it's laughable for anyone to say, "I know men/women better/more than you do," unless you're talking to a newborn, but his advice is generally solid. The problem is that people get so angry when they see an opinion that threatens them. It's like they're scared about something. Maybe that the opinion might be true? Meh. I used to be like that. Threatened by differing opinions from others, especially those I respected or were in authority over me, but since I've knocked everyone off their imaginary pedestals, everyone's opinion is just that - an opinion. Everyone is free to make their own judgments and choices. You know the last time I was truly angry about something? When I read about that Canadian girl who was raped, bullied, and then killed herself. Except for that, I don't think I've been angry in quite a while, and certainly not by anything I've read here. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I didnt even read it past 4 sentences. ThaWholigan Im surprised you encourage people that generalize. Dont get mad when more woman come this site posting things that generalize then... Everyone is surprised at me for lots of things. Nothing new. Ninja does not need my encouragement - the only reason why I laugh is because he's not often wrong. I know a lot of men like the ones he describes. I can say that I know just as many who aren't (which is true) but all I have are my anecdotes and my own behavior. And hell, I could tell stories about bad behaved women too. I could do all that. Can't be assed today. I acknowledge because I know. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
reaver Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 NiP's opinions have never bothered me. I think it's laughable for anyone to say, "I know men/women better/more than you do," unless you're talking to a newborn, but his advice is generally solid. The problem is that people get so angry when they see an opinion that threatens them. It's like they're scared about something. Maybe that the opinion might be true? Meh. I used to be like that. Threatened by differing opinions from others, especially those I respected or were in authority over me, but since I've knocked everyone off their imaginary pedestals, everyone's opinion is just that - an opinion. Everyone is free to make their own judgments and choices. You know the last time I was truly angry about something? When I read about that Canadian girl who was raped, bullied, and then killed herself. Except for that, I don't think I've been angry in quite a while, and certainly not by anything I've read here. I cannot take anyone seriously who makes the statements that he does I dont care that his opinion doesnt match mine, I care that he generalizes out the wazoo on this site. The same men that support him flip out at the woman on this site who do the same thing. Very contradictory Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 NiP's opinions have never bothered me. I think it's laughable for anyone to say, "I know men/women better/more than you do," unless you're talking to a newborn, but his advice is generally solid. The problem is that people get so angry when they see an opinion that threatens them. It's like they're scared about something. Maybe that the opinion might be true? Meh. I used to be like that. Threatened by differing opinions from others, especially those I respected or were in authority over me, but since I've knocked everyone off their imaginary pedestals, everyone's opinion is just that - an opinion. Everyone is free to make their own judgments and choices. You know the last time I was truly angry about something? When I read about that Canadian girl who was raped, bullied, and then killed herself. Except for that, I don't think I've been angry in quite a while, and certainly not by anything I've read here. Yeah, I just laugh now. It used to rile me, but I can't get mad at that . Link to post Share on other sites
Treasa Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I cannot take anyone seriously who makes the statements that he does I dont care that his opinion doesnt match mine, I care that he generalizes out the wazoo on this site. The same men that support him flip out at the woman on this site who do the same thing. Very contradictory But...that's on those women, you know? Women can choose not to put up with things they don't like. Assuming I'm understanding you correctly. You can, of course, care about his generalizing, but it won't stop him from doing it. I don't know. I like most people here, even if I totally disagree with them about things. Link to post Share on other sites
Treasa Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Everyone is surprised at me for lots of things. Nothing new. I'm not only surprised but rather annoyed at you that you don't contact me to talk about wrestling anymore. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
reaver Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Why do you expect the expectations for women and men should be the same? If they were I could wear any tight clothing and get a date. Sounds like you think women are inferior. Link to post Share on other sites
Ninjainpajamas Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 You know "men" well. So you have gotten to know the innermost thoughts of thousands of men? Doubtful. Sorry reaver, they're not all delicate little unique flowers that are completely "special" who do not function in a similar way. There's human nature, it's something that connects it all, just like lions act in a pride, just like monkeys act in a Zoo. There's certain things about our nature that do not drastically change or waver, people can have different beliefs, values and opinions and philosophies in life to live by...but we all laugh, we all cry, we all try to love (unless there's something extremely wrong). Men have connecting "nature", and are affected by society in a similar way...people like you just like to merely glaze over the whole thing and say "everyone is different" without know your head from your butt, and in no way can justify nor support your arguments in any detailed or in-depth, analytical way....it's just this convenient "opinion" you form just like everyone else, whether it has any merit or holds any water in real life, you hold to that because it's your belief, not the reality....it's called denial. People want the world to work the way they want it, they don't want the illusion shattered. So they reject any proof or information that would dethrone that. It seems like you and Emilia are the individuals on your pedestal, at least I'm open and willing to consider pertinent information that holds actual weight. But I already know you couldn't make any argument to save your life, you'd have to go ask your "guy friends" or boyfriends or husbands who are obviously going to tell you the honest to god's truth ...you really think men are that stupid and aren't worried about self-preservation? It's like asking a group of people "who want's to cross the street first...there's a sniper out there and you're likely to get taken out first, but the rest will make it!" how many people you think are going to jump at the chance of that? That's basically what you're asking men to do when telling the truth....why? because bam, in one shot, in one fail swoop of judgment from your "infinite wisdom" you'd label him a jerk or a dog and couldn't BELIEVE he actually thought like those "other men"...so really, i ask you, what benefit do men have in exposing the truth? to be judged and dismissed? You think people have far too much pride and integrity to stand up for what they believe in, especially if it's the truth...it's better to lie and avoid persecution, i don't know what women do not understand about that when they talk with men, you're at best getting part of the truth. Link to post Share on other sites
reaver Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Sorry reaver, they're not all delicate little unique flowers that are completely "special" who do not function in a similar way. There's human nature, it's something that connects it all, just like lions act in a pride, just like monkeys act in a Zoo. There's certain things about our nature that do not drastically change or waver, people can have different beliefs, values and opinions and philosophies in life to live by...but we all laugh, we all cry, we all try to love (unless there's something extremely wrong). Men have connecting "nature", and are affected by society in a similar way...people like you just like to merely glaze over the whole thing and say "everyone is different" without know your head from your butt, and in no way can justify nor support your arguments in any detailed or in-depth, analytical way....it's just this convenient "opinion" you form just like everyone else, whether it has any merit or holds any water in real life, you hold to that because it's your belief, not the reality....it's called denial. People want the world to work the way they want it, they don't want the illusion shattered. So they reject any proof or information that would dethrone that. It seems like you and Emilia are the individuals on your pedestal, at least I'm open and willing to consider pertinent information that holds actual weight. But I already know you couldn't make any argument to save your life, you'd have to go ask your "guy friends" or boyfriends or husbands who are obviously going to tell you the honest to god's truth ...you really think men are that stupid and aren't worried about self-preservation? It's like asking a group of people "who want's to cross the street first...there's a sniper out there and you're likely to get taken out first, but the rest will make it!" how many people you think are going to jump at the chance of that? That's basically what you're asking men to do when telling the truth....why? because bam, in one shot, in one fail swoop of judgment from your "infinite wisdom" you'd label him a jerk or a dog and couldn't BELIEVE he actually thought like those "other men"...so really, i ask you, what benefit do men have in exposing the truth? to be judged and dismissed? You think people have far too much pride and integrity to stand up for what they believe in, especially if it's the truth...it's better to lie and avoid persecution, i don't know what women do not understand about that when they talk with men, you're at best getting part of the truth. Perhaps you should go see a counselor. Someone who doesnt agree with your opinion that all men are essentially the same does not mean he or she thinks they are on a pedestal. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I'm not only surprised but rather annoyed at you that you don't contact me to talk about wrestling anymore. Shame! I forgot to discuss with you how awesome Raw was on Monday! sowwy Link to post Share on other sites
Treasa Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Shame! I forgot to discuss with you how awesome Raw was on Monday! sowwy OMG I was freaking about because I was so sure Ziggler was going to get his title at Wrestlemania and he didn't, and then it happened on Monday. Phew!! Also - The Shield and Team Hell No? More like HELL YES! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
reaver Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Different isn't the same as inferior. Id agree with you on that one, but based on your other posts you seem to think men are superior. Im gonna ignore you now. Thank god for that ignore button. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 OMG I was freaking about because I was so sure Ziggler was going to get his title at Wrestlemania and he didn't, and then it happened on Monday. Phew!! Also - The Shield and Team Hell No? More like HELL YES! Yeah, WM29 was a disappointment (glad Bryan got the win though after the 5 second match). But this Raw was incredible. How over is Fandango now? Link to post Share on other sites
Ninjainpajamas Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Perhaps you should go see a counselor. Someone who doesnt agree with your opinion that all men are essentially the same does not mean he or she thinks they are on a pedestal. Go ahead...explain to me, tell me how men REALLY are ::lays back in a recliner with arms behind his neck:: Wait a minute, are you 18 or older? I get the sense arguing with a minor here. Link to post Share on other sites
MrCastle Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I get attached after sex. Maybe not in the "oh man I have to settle down with her and make her my girlfriend" kind of way, but I start to appreciate more things about her. I like her more. I'm more apt to overlook any shortcomings she may have. I know people think I bang a girl and then change my name, never to be seen or heard from again, but I'm a softy and a romantic at heart 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Treasa Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Yeah, WM29 was a disappointment (glad Bryan got the win though after the 5 second match). But this Raw was incredible. How over is Fandango now? They need to showcase Byan's amazing wrestling talents more. And you aren't saying it right. It's Faaaaaaaahn-daaaaaaahn-gohhhhh. You gotta breathe in the As and not get caught up on the Ns. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Treasa Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Go ahead...explain to me, tell me how men REALLY are ::lays back in a recliner with arms behind his neck:: Wait a minute, are you 18 or older? I get the sense arguing with a minor here. I'm willing to bet you're an old-school RPer, judging by your use of :: :: to express verbs rather than * *. Link to post Share on other sites
pbjbear Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 So funny. This thread that is. Im a woman who also has a long history of working in the people profession. In terms of compassion, the vast majority of men have less of it than women. Theres actual studies done on the male brain that show men have larger areas in their brain for sex and less mass for empathy and communication when compared to females. Men tend to be more obsessed with beauty and sex. Studies do show this trend. Our society also encourages men to get away with being selfish more. There are so many double standards for them they feel justified in that tend to their selfish needs. Ninjapajamas has actually basically given me support in my threads where I talk about this. Everyone calls me a manhater. So its okay for men to generalize, but not women? Just reinforced my negative attitudes about men even more- Teresa and ThaWholigan. Men DO NOT really get attached from sex, overall. They dont emit as much oxytocin afterwards and dont see it in an emotional cloud the way women do. Men are essentially shallow beings that lack emotional depth. Im gonna have to disagree with crazy ninja girl and say they are just "different" but I do think they are inferior. Sorry. Some women suck, but if you want an emotionally fulfilling relationship youre much better off being a lesbian than being straight as a female Link to post Share on other sites
reaver Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Go ahead...explain to me, tell me how men REALLY are ::lays back in a recliner with arms behind his neck:: Wait a minute, are you 18 or older? I get the sense arguing with a minor here. 29. And nowhere did I EVER say women are superior. You all have very faulty logic. Just because someone says all men arent the same, doesnt mean I think women are superior. How the heck do you even come to that conclusion? Link to post Share on other sites
Ninjainpajamas Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I'm willing to bet you're an old-school RPer, judging by your use of :: :: to express verbs rather than * *. Like some dungeons and dragons crap? not really sure what you mean by that. No, that was picked up from long ago...can't remember when, probably from the AOL days. Link to post Share on other sites
KungFuJoe Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I haven't even had one exchange with Always Looking Back, but it's pretty obvious he/she is only here to rile people up and create drama. I just put him/her on my ignore list as well... Link to post Share on other sites
SmileFace Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I don't even get what you guy are arguing about anymore... what was this thread about again? Link to post Share on other sites
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