I was scoped out by a demon

[BetheButterfly]

Yes. He was bad though. He was murdering other people, cutting them up and burning them. There was a garden full of human ashes all piled up. Trust me, this human child had to go.

 

I am a pacifist, so this dream really bothers me. But, as it does not bother you and it was only a dream, not real life, that's ok. I don't mean to get you down or anything. I just am voicing my opinion about it. Even video games with killing in them bother me, so I guess I am just really sensitive with an extreme aversion to violence.

 

Blessings

[KatZee]

I am a pacifist, so this dream really bothers me. But, as it does not bother you and it was only a dream, not real life, that's ok. I don't mean to get you down or anything. I just am voicing my opinion about it. Even video games with killing in them bother me, so I guess I am just really sensitive with an extreme aversion to violence.

 

Blessings

 

Yeah I'm not a pacifist. I'm more of a "pass a fist" across your face.

 

(but only if the situation called for it. As in, if someone attacked me, or attempted to harm me/family member/future child, etc.)

[BetheButterfly]

Yeah I'm not a pacifist. I'm more of a "pass a fist" across your face.

 

Lol funny joke!

 

(but only if the situation called for it. As in, if someone attacked me, or attempted to harm me/family member/future child, etc.)

 

Understood

[M30USA]

I am a pacifist, so this dream really bothers me. But, as it does not bother you and it was only a dream, not real life, that's ok. I don't mean to get you down or anything. I just am voicing my opinion about it. Even video games with killing in them bother me, so I guess I am just really sensitive with an extreme aversion to violence.

 

Blessings

 

Butterfly, would you be a pacifist if someone were trying to kill your husband?

[BetheButterfly]

Butterfly, would you be a pacifist if someone were trying to kill your husband?

 

If someone was trying to kill my husband, I would pray. Also, because I have read many times the following verses, I would strive to obey Jesus.

 

Luke 6 NIV - Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath - One - Bible Gateway (I boldened some.)

 

"27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you. 32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."

 

 

Whether I would succeed or fail in loving my enemy (and a person who would try to kill my husband is most definitely my enemy), I don't know. However, I would pray that God would intervene and save my husband, but not my will, but God's will be done.

 

I don't believe life ends here on earth. I believe in eternity, which is limitless longer than if my husband ended up living in his shell for 100 years.

 

My husband and I are both Christian. Long ago, Christians died for Jesus. They didn't kill their enemies but rather obeyed Jesus' teachings. Hopefully, my husband and I will live however long our lives are for God's glory, not for the "survival of the fittest." Jesus didn't call us to be survivors but rather to obey Him, even if that means becoming suffering death for him (very important note: martyrdom does not in Jesus' teachings mean to kill others, but rather to allow oneself to be persecuted, even to the point of death.)

 

Hebrews 11 talks about some who were killed. They didn't try to kill those who killed them...

 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+11&version=NIV

"35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. 36 Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were put to death by stoning;[e] they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground. 39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect."

Edited April 18, 2013 by BetheButterfly

[elplague]

If someone was trying to kill my husband, I would pray. Also, because I have read many times the following verses, I would strive to obey Jesus.

 

Luke 6 NIV - Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath - One - Bible Gateway (I boldened some.)

 

"27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you. 32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."

 

 

Whether I would succeed or fail in loving my enemy (and a person who would try to kill my husband is most definitely my enemy), I don't know. However, I would pray that God would intervene and save my husband, but not my will, but God's will be done.

 

I don't believe life ends here on earth. I believe in eternity, which is limitless longer than if my husband ended up living in his shell for 100 years.

 

My husband and I are both Christian. Long ago, Christians died for Jesus. They didn't kill their enemies but rather obeyed Jesus' teachings. Hopefully, my husband and I will live however long our lives are for God's glory, not for the "survival of the fittest." Jesus didn't call us to be survivors but rather to obey Him, even if that means becoming suffering death for him (very important note: martyrdom does not in Jesus' teachings mean to kill others, but rather to allow oneself to be persecuted, even to the point of death.)

 

Hebrews 11 talks about some who were killed. They didn't try to kill those who killed them...

 

Hebrews 11 NIV - Faith in Action - Now faith is - Bible Gateway

"35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. 36 Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were put to death by stoning;[e] they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground. 39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect."

 

I call baloney on the entire thing. No one, not anyone on this earth, would sit idly praying for a ghostly hand to intervene and save a loved one's life while a murder or killer dropped the axe on their neck.

 

It's morally reprehensible to suggest this.

[Eve]

Yes. He was bad though. He was murdering other people, cutting them up and burning them. There was a garden full of human ashes all piled up. Trust me, this human child had to go.

 

Yeah, that kid had to go, lol.

 

Take care,

Eve x

[BetheButterfly]

I call baloney on the entire thing. No one, not anyone on this earth, would sit idly praying for a ghostly hand to intervene and save a loved one's life while a murder or killer dropped the axe on their neck.

 

It's morally reprehensible to suggest this.

 

Killing people different than one's own "group" has happened for thousands of years. The Roman Empire was no exception. The Roman Empire tortured and killed some Christians due to their religious beliefs. The Christians did not fight back but rather followed Jesus' example.

 

http://www.roman-colosseum.info/roman-empire/christian-persecution.htm

 

Whether you think it's "baloney" or not is not my concern. As a Christian, I believe it's important to obey Jesus' teachings. Jesus did not lead an army against the Romans who were oppressing his people the Jews. Rather, he died for all people: Jews and Gentiles, including the Romans who crucified him. Thousands of people around the world follow Jesus' example in becoming martyrs for God (not killing, but rather being killed unjustly), from the founding of Christianity till now.

 

As for my husband, my husband loves Jesus. He wants to follow Jesus, which is why he is a pacifist. Jesus is one of the world's greatest pacifists. (Buddha is also a great pacifist, as well as Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr.) Unlike other great pacifists, Jesus is considered by his followers to be the Son of God/God incarnate.

 

Jesus did not order his followers to kill, but rather to love their enemies. Whether I would succeed in loving an enemy attempting to kill my husband or not, I don't know. However, I do know that I love Jesus Christ regardless of whether you or anyone else think his commands are "baloney." He is the one I serve, not strangers on the Internet.

Edited April 18, 2013 by BetheButterfly

[elplague]

Killing people different than one's own "group" has happened for thousands of years. The Roman Empire was no exception. The Roman Empire tortured and killed some Christians due to their religious beliefs. The Christians did not fight back but rather followed Jesus' example.

 

Christian Persecution

 

Whether you think it's "baloney" or not is not my concern. As a Christian, I believe it's important to obey Jesus' teachings. Jesus did not lead an army against the Romans who were oppressing his people the Jews. Rather, he died for all people: Jews and Gentiles. Thousands of people around the world follow his example, from the founding of Christianity till now.

 

As for my husband, my husband loves Jesus. He wants to follow Jesus, which is why he is a pacifist. Jesus is one of the world's greatest pacifists. (Buddha is also a great pacifist, as well as Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr.) Unlike other great pacifists, most Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God/God.

 

Jesus did not order his followers to kill, but rather to love their enemies. Whether I would succeed in loving an enemy attempting to kill my husband or not, I don't know. However, I do know that I love Jesus Christ regardless of whether you or anyone else think his commands are "baloney." He is the one I serve, not strangers on the Internet.

 

Right, it wasn't jesus, despite the whole holy trinity deal, that ordered the murder of thousands of people whom he didn't like. It was god.

 

And what happened to the christians that sat idly listening to his teachings? They were put to the sword, same as the Jews in Nazi Germany, and any other instance of pacifism in the face of brutality.

 

Honestly, I find it reprehensible that anyone would sit idly in the face of murder or genocide. We have a moral responsibility to stop these heinous acts. I never mentioned killing the would be killer; stopping them also includes incapacitation by restraint, for instance.

[BetheButterfly]

Right, it wasn't jesus, despite the whole holy trinity deal, that ordered the murder of thousands of people whom he didn't like. It was god.

 

And what happened to the christians that sat idly listening to his teachings? They were put to the sword, same as the Jews in Nazi Germany, and any other instance of pacifism in the face of brutality.

 

Honestly, I find it reprehensible that anyone would sit idly in the face of murder or genocide. We have a moral responsibility to stop these heinous acts. I never mentioned killing the would be killer; stopping them also includes incapacitation by restraint, for instance.

 

I agree with having a just and fair law process, where murderers are prosecuted. If you have read my other posts on the subjects, I also agree with prosecuting rapists and torturers.

 

However, being a pacifist simply means to be against violence. It doesn't mean to not find peaceful ways to stop crimes. If you study great pacifists like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr, they spoke out against injustice and crimes. They didn't sit idly by, and Jesus didn't either. Jesus taught people how to live in peace, and that's through loving them and helping them.

 

Many people who obey Jesus have done great things in helping others and helping against crimes. For example, William Wilberforce, one of my heroes, fought bravely against slavery. Slavery is a very horrible and unjust crime which included killing slaves

 

Sadly, many people who call themselves Christians though have not followed Jesus' teachings and instead have disobeyed Jesus' commands to love their neighbors as themselves, each other, and their enemies.

[M30USA]

This is a very difficult subject. I'm not sure I have determined the correct answer from a Biblical perspective. So I won't be posting any opinion.

[BetheButterfly]

About praying, I do believe God gives wisdom when His children ask for it. You can of course think it's baloney, but if my husband is ever in danger, I hope that I will pray that God intervenes. One way God intervenes on behalf of His children is by giving that person words to say or an action to do that does not go against Jesus' commands.

[BetheButterfly]

This is a very difficult subject. I'm not sure I have determined the correct answer from a Biblical perspective. So I won't be posting any opinion.

 

Many Christians have a struggle with this teaching of Jesus: to love one's enemies. It is a hard teaching, as well as allowing a person to hit you and then turning the other cheek.

 

As for prayer, God is amazing and nothing is impossible with Him! Many times, He answers prayer by a person helping without them even realizing that someone was praying for help!

 

 

For example, please read the autobiography of Hannah Shaw: The Imam's Daughter.

 

She became a Christian and her Dad wanted to kill her. One day she was studying and a group of angry men from her neighborhood came the house where she currently lived and were trying to knock the door down and kill her. She was so afraid and went and hid, praying.

 

She eventually heard nothing and surprised, got up and found they had disappeared! She thinks a neighbor might have threatened to call the police on the mob. Thank God, she was not harmed at all!

[CarrieT]

Mentally well people never seem to have visitations fro demons. I wonder why that is.

 

You'd be surprised who would admit to having cavorted with demons; many in public life you would never guess...

[GorillaTheater]

You'd be surprised who would admit to having cavorted with demons; many in public life you would never guess...

 

If they included a significant number of politicians, it would probably be more of a confirmation for me than a surprise.

[M30USA]

You'd be surprised who would admit to having cavorted with demons; many in public life you would never guess...

 

I'm aware, trust me. I don't even like to tell my fellow Christians because even THEY would think I'm a conspiracy theorist. The forces of darkness on earth are stronger and more prevalent than most choose to see. Satan still has control over earth and will until Christ returns. Many of the upper level people in government are his minions who carry out his work.

[todreaminblue]

<glancing at my avatar and biting my tongue>

 

 

I applaud you folks who believe prayer works to speak with demons. Without being able to divulge much, trust me when I say you have to learn their language(s) to get them to understand much of anything.

 

They - ahem - "laugh at the folly of prayer."

 

 

</glancing at my avatar and biting my tongue>

 

 

Carrie,

 

 

the relief i get from voices when i pray and those voices go silent........almost makes em cry sometimes...it is that much of a relief not to hear them snickering or what they are saying.......that warm heart feeling I get like an internal hug........

 

 

 

recently voices were whispering to me to hang myself.....and where the best spot was.......now if i had told anyone that is what was being said they would have locked me up...instead i prayed and the voices stopped......i dont think the voices laugh at prayers.....prayer drives them away from me....i believe that.......because otherwise i dont think i could take the voices like i do....there's power in prayer when i have no strength left i pray ....about a decade ago i tried to commit suicide after hearing voices for days i was on medication that should have killed all voices........the voices told me to just take all my meds........i would be better off ,as would my family with me not in the picture that my family an dfriends wqere sick o fme, couldnt handle me beign a freak they were ashamed of me....all my true fears bought up all at once for days......over and over and over again..........so......i took them all.....all the medication in the house including pain killers.......and then i laid down on my bed and started praying to god to accept me and my flawed spirit.......it got really bright in the room my brain started shaking physically that is what it felt like........and this is what i heard......while praying

 

 

 

who is going to take care of your family.....go now get up...they wont survive without you.....that was in answer to my prayer where i was praying for god to take me as i was.........i told my ex what i had done and he called the ambulance they hospitalized me for months..the intervention then was very aggressive.......i did nearly die then ....i dont believe demons laugh at prayer.........its the only time they truly are silenced and shut up...for me..deb

Edited April 18, 2013 by todreaminblue

[Eve]

Carrie,

 

 

the relief i get from voices when i pray and those voices go silent........almost makes em cry sometimes...it is that much of a relief not to hear them snickering or what they are saying.......that warm heart feeling I get like an internal hug........

 

 

 

recently voices were whispering to me to hang myself.....and where the best spot was.......now if i had told anyone that is what was being said they would have locked me up...instead i prayed and the voices stopped......i dont think the voices laugh at prayers.....prayer drives them away from me....i believe that.......because otherwise i dont think i could take the voices like i do....there's power in prayer when i have no strength left i pray ....about a decade ago i tried to commit suicide after hearing voices for days i was on medication that should have killed all voices........the voices told me to just take all my meds........i would be better off ,as would my family with me not in the picture that my family an dfriends wqere sick o fme, couldnt handle me beign a freak they were ashamed of me....all my true fears bought up all at once for days......over and over and over again..........so......i took them all.....all the medication in the house including pain killers.......and then i laid down on my bed and started praying to god to accept me and my flawed spirit.......it got really bright in the room my brain started shaking physically that is what it felt like........and this is what i heard......while praying

 

 

 

who is going to take care of your family.....go now get up...they wont survive without you.....that was in answer to my prayer where i was praying for god to take me as i was.........i told my ex what i had done and he called the ambulance they hospitalized me for months..the intervention then was very aggressive.......i did nearly die then ....i dont believe demons laugh at prayer.........its the only time they truly are silenced and shut up...for me..deb

 

So sorry you have been so afflicted. I am glad that you live.

 

Take care,

Eve x

[todreaminblue]

So sorry you have been so afflicted. I am glad that you live.

 

Take care,

Eve x

 

I am glad i live too......smilin atcha.....deb

[pureinheart]

Carrie,

 

 

the relief i get from voices when i pray and those voices go silent........almost makes em cry sometimes...it is that much of a relief not to hear them snickering or what they are saying.......that warm heart feeling I get like an internal hug........

 

 

 

recently voices were whispering to me to hang myself.....and where the best spot was.......now if i had told anyone that is what was being said they would have locked me up...instead i prayed and the voices stopped......i dont think the voices laugh at prayers.....prayer drives them away from me....i believe that.......because otherwise i dont think i could take the voices like i do....there's power in prayer when i have no strength left i pray ....about a decade ago i tried to commit suicide after hearing voices for days i was on medication that should have killed all voices........the voices told me to just take all my meds........i would be better off ,as would my family with me not in the picture that my family an dfriends wqere sick o fme, couldnt handle me beign a freak they were ashamed of me....all my true fears bought up all at once for days......over and over and over again..........so......i took them all.....all the medication in the house including pain killers.......and then i laid down on my bed and started praying to god to accept me and my flawed spirit.......it got really bright in the room my brain started shaking physically that is what it felt like........and this is what i heard......while praying

 

 

 

who is going to take care of your family.....go now get up...they wont survive without you.....that was in answer to my prayer where i was praying for god to take me as i was.........i told my ex what i had done and he called the ambulance they hospitalized me for months..the intervention then was very aggressive.......i did nearly die then ....i dont believe demons laugh at prayer.........its the only time they truly are silenced and shut up...for me..deb

 

Praise God Deb!!!!!! I know that reciting Scripture over and over in my mind and sometimes out loud really helps too...the Word is our sword.

[todreaminblue]

Praise God Deb!!!!!! I know that reciting Scripture over and over in my mind and sometimes out loud really helps too...the Word is our sword.

 

 

too true...you knwo what else...teh thought of people standign beside you in spirit.......when i hear these voices i also think about people who would stand beside me and pray if they knew i was in trouble....one in particular.....it helps..i believe in standing side by side through all things.....we were never meant to stand alone.....so thank you......i appreciate your strength and thoughts....gods words are sharp edged swords.....protection comfort ....and peace of mind an dheart....as are the people who believe with you.....we are never alone....never.......dark of night or light of day....jesus was here to guide the way.....side by side....hugs.....deb

[M30USA]

What I find interesting about my experience (the one in the OP) is that the creature shot off across the room after a 15 second visual exchange at each other. It makes me think about the verse about resisting the devil "and he shall flee from you". Jesus resisted the devil in the desert and Satan left HIM.

 

However, to fairly present the evidence in sleep paralysis, it is TYPICAL for these experiences to last the exact time mine lasted. Additionally, nobody ever seems to "lose" against the beings. Even when attacked (which I was not), the experiencer eventually breaks free.

 

This being said, a hypothesis of mine is that God wakes us up to "allow" us to see the event where we are freed from a demon. Christians can still be possesed. And it doesn't always turn you into a raving lunatic. It can just be an addiction or something. So perhaps God wants us to SEE our victory and this is why all cases seem to end with the menacing being usually fleeing.

Edited April 19, 2013 by M30USA

[2sure]

I have had two experiences that have stayed with me and I have no idea what they meant. But it was something important. I was raised catholic up until age 14...but casually so. Non practicing ever since. Just for background. I do believe in God . I think I have a working relationship with God. My daughter really isn't sure because, we've never practiced any religion.

 

Twice in my life I've spoken in tongues. I know it's crazy. I don't discuss it, but it happened, and ...I will ask you for thoughts.

 

Both times I had been sleeping. It's almost as though I was sleep walking.

I had dreams before I got up. Dreams of literally fighting off something awful, putting my family behind me, being afraid but not too afraid to fight. I got up, went down the stairs to the front door and ....shouted it. I didn't understand myself what I was saying. Once I was at home. The other time , different place, I was in a bed and breakfast. It was horrible. The other guests were woken up, the Italian house keeper as well as Asian tourists understood me. I was shouting vulgar things and making threats. Just into the darkness of the front door I had opened.

 

I know it's something but I don't know what. I could not possibly discuss this n real life.

[M30USA]

I have had two experiences that have stayed with me and I have no idea what they meant. But it was something important. I was raised catholic up until age 14...but casually so. Non practicing ever since. Just for background. I do believe in God . I think I have a working relationship with God. My daughter really isn't sure because, we've never practiced any religion.

 

Twice in my life I've spoken in tongues. I know it's crazy. I don't discuss it, but it happened, and ...I will ask you for thoughts.

 

Both times I had been sleeping. It's almost as though I was sleep walking.

I had dreams before I got up. Dreams of literally fighting off something awful, putting my family behind me, being afraid but not too afraid to fight. I got up, went down the stairs to the front door and ....shouted it. I didn't understand myself what I was saying. Once I was at home. The other time , different place, I was in a bed and breakfast. It was horrible. The other guests were woken up, the Italian house keeper as well as Asian tourists understood me. I was shouting vulgar things and making threats. Just into the darkness of the front door I had opened.

 

I know it's something but I don't know what. I could not possibly discuss this n real life.

 

I understand why you don't want to share that experience in real life. People would think you're crazy. I don't talk about my experience with anyone except long-time, trusted family or friends.

 

You said you spoke all kinds of profanities and vulgar things? I could be wrong, but that doesn't seem like it's consistent with the spirit behind what would produce tongues.

[2sure]

I understand why you don't want to share that experience in real life. People would think you're crazy. I don't talk about my experience with anyone except long-time, trusted family or friends.

 

You said you spoke all kinds of profanities and vulgar things? I could be wrong, but that doesn't seem like it's consistent with the spirit behind what would produce tongues.

 

Agreed. And also why I've never wanted to research the web on the subject.

But I know I was fighting on the side of God, that's why I was afraid but confident.