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[Imported]

Imported suggested 'barely eating anything', not cutting out more fat. That is most definitely risking one's health.

 

I believe the risk factor for heart disease is waist-hip ratio specifically. The blogger's waist-hip ratio should be fine. As for the picture I linked (which is a little off-topic), two of the women could stand to lose fat for health reasons - the other 3 should be fine.

 

I sincerely doubt that is Imported's motive in posting that, though.

 

You suggested since she is a "trainer" that she is doing everything she can to be in shape and since she has the body she has, than obviously not everyone can be thin. Which is just wrong and is an excuse. I don't like excuses, I think it just holds people back.

 

She doesn't have to eat barely anything. I said that for emphasis. She does have to eat less calories than she burns. That can still be a lot of food. Unfortunately here in 'Merica, people eat way too much food, make excuses for themselves and would rather devote all their time into convincing themselves and others that fat people are attractive too. I just don't agree with that. I think everyone can be in shape if they tried....unless they actually have a real reason..like paralyzed and can't move, missing limbs(really impressed with those people that power on regardless)or other real reasons.

 

I think a lot of people just go through the motions of trying to get in shape, not really try. I can see them at the gym. They are there, but put little effort or enthusiasm into what they are doing. I know those are the ones that in a month or so won't be there anymore and will cry about how they can't get in shape even they they try really hard, so it must be in their genes or something...yeah....right.

 

Running 5 miles without breathing hard means you are not really challenging yourself. I like to call them junk miles. Running at an unchallenging pace even for 10 miles, only looks or sounds impressive to people that can't run. Yes, you can be overweight and run a marathon. Sure, you'll shuffle run barely faster than some people can walk, but I guess your fat friend or neighbors could be impressed with that.

 

I swim a ton of junk laps, it is meditative for me. When I actually get close to speeds that are challenging, it is challenging. Junk miles/laps is only challenging trying to not stop out of boredom. Running 5 miles is not a challenge if you know how to run. Not breathing hard just means she didn't push herself. She was just going through the motions. Which is fine. Sometimes I swim or run junk miles/laps to listen to music and think about things.

[Roadkill007]

You suggested since she is a "trainer" that she is doing everything she can to be in shape and since she has the body she has, than obviously not everyone can be thin. Which is just wrong and is an excuse. I don't like excuses, I think it just holds people back.

 

She doesn't have to eat barely anything. I said that for emphasis. She does have to eat less calories than she burns. That can still be a lot of food. Unfortunately here in 'Merica, people eat way too much food, make excuses for themselves and would rather devote all their time into convincing themselves and others that fat people are attractive too. I just don't agree with that. I think everyone can be in shape if they tried....unless they actually have a real reason..like paralyzed and can't move, missing limbs(really impressed with those people that power on regardless)or other real reasons.

 

I think a lot of people just go through the motions of trying to get in shape, not really try. I can see them at the gym. They are there, but put little effort or enthusiasm into what they are doing. I know those are the ones that in a month or so won't be there anymore and will cry about how they can't get in shape even they they try really hard, so it must be in their genes or something...yeah....right.

 

Running 5 miles without breathing hard means you are not really challenging yourself. I like to call them junk miles. Running at an unchallenging pace even for 10 miles, only looks or sounds impressive to people that can't run. Yes, you can be overweight and run a marathon. Sure, you'll shuffle run barely faster than some people can walk, but I guess your fat friend or neighbors could be impressed with that.

 

I swim a ton of junk laps, it is meditative for me. When I actually get close to speeds that are challenging, it is challenging. Junk miles/laps is only challenging trying to not stop out of boredom. Running 5 miles is not a challenge if you know how to run. Not breathing hard just means she didn't push herself. She was just going through the motions. Which is fine. Sometimes I swim or run junk miles/laps to listen to music and think about things.

 

 

I understand what you are saying about how there's a lot of people who aren't actually pushing themselves, and how that isn't really training or trying.

 

However, there ARE lots of people who have super low metabolism thanks to their genes. A specific example would be descendents of southwestern Native Americans, whose low metabolism was beneficial long time ago for their survival. However, nowadays, with overpriced "healthy" foods, and all-too-readily available junk food, it's incredibly easy for people with such low metabolism to eat over their caloric burning limit, and still feel really hungry. These are the people who even when they work out a ton compared to how much they eat, they still don't lose weight. Let's not even get into the socioeconomic cycle that these ethnic groups often get stuck in, where their being poor along with their cultural values, ensuring that their future generations will have continued monetary problems, and thus culinary problems (ie can't afford the time or money to eat healthy).

 

btw, are you relatively well off and Caucasian, and have read Ayn Rand? just curious, because your attitude reminds me of those of a lot of libertarians I know

[Eclypse]

She looks alright, but I think I've been spoiled by my girlfriend. She's perfect. Petite, no tummy, no flab or loose skin. Women come in all shapes and sizes but that doesn't everyone has to find them all attractive right? My best friend isn't into girls like my gf. He likes bigger girls. Me not as much.

 

The girl in this blog is obviously fit. It's a shame there's so many out there who completely neglect their health though.

[Els]

You suggested since she is a "trainer" that she is doing everything she can to be in shape and since she has the body she has, than obviously not everyone can be thin. Which is just wrong and is an excuse. I don't like excuses, I think it just holds people back.

 

First you don't bother to read the article, then you don't bother to read my posts. Want to point out where I said that?

 

Unfortunately here in 'Merica, people eat way too much food, make excuses for themselves and would rather devote all their time into convincing themselves and others that fat people are attractive too.

 

You are using extremes as an example. This woman lost 60 lbs in the past. What makes you think she is eating 'way too much food' and 'making excuses for herself'? I live in a country with a MUCH lower incidence of obesity than America, and interestingly enough the blogger's weight is considered okay amongst the older generation here. Many of the younger generation have been influenced by American media ideals, however.

 

More importantly, who are you to decide whether or not her weight is fat or healthy? What are your medical qualifications?

 

Honestly, I think the 'health' and 'motivation' arguments are red herrings in threads like these. If we are to talk about 'health', we would do well to refer to what is generally considered 'unhealthy' in medical practice. In terms of health, that would refer to BMI, or more specifically body fat %. The medical definition of overweight is completely different from modern aesthetic ideals; the blogger is well within the healthy weight range. The bf, a doctor, agrees with me. Chances are the blogger's doctor (whose opinion should overshadow mine or yours) agrees as well.

 

I also cannot see any concern about health in a person who firstly posts glibly about 'barely eating anything', when people who do that are in real danger, NOT of not achieving their weight loss goals, but of the complications of malnutrition and hypoglycemia, which can be fatal. I also cannot see any concern about health in a person who posts that a 6'1" woman at 150 lbs should lose 'at least 20 lbs' - that would put her in dangerously low territory. Unless you, oh, didn't READ the few words in the picture that I linked, too?

 

I am not annoyed because you do not consider her your aesthetic ideal. We are all entitled to our preferences. I do get annoyed by baseless attempts at acting like the medical/health authority based on your aesthetic ideals. The thin-craze is as much an issue in the medical profession as the obesity pandemic. Anyone who has ever worked in an anorexic ward knows this.

[somedude81]

I absolutely don't think it is easy. That is why I was skeptical when you said you can 'easily do it'. In fact, I'm pretty certain that that body is every bit as difficult to attain as a female model's body.

 

But yes, those models I linked are on the 'thinner' side as opposed to the bulkier ones.

Those guys were far more muscular than what I'd call "skinny and some muscle." Both of them are more muscular than I am. By skinny and muscle I meant keeping most of my current level of muscle and just loseing the fat. I'd have to put on a good deal of muscle mass to match the second model.

 

So getting back to my first point, it would be far easier for a woman to lose 10 pounds or so and then to keep it off, then for a man to get a body like those guys.

[Els]

Those guys were far more muscular than what I'd call "skinny and some muscle." Both of them are more muscular than I am.

 

So getting back to my first point, it would be far easier for a woman to lose 10 pounds or so and then to keep it off, then for a man to get a body like those guys.

 

Most people, including the poster who posted after me, would agree that the guys I linked are 'skinny and some muscle'. Any less than that would be 'skinny with a little muscle'. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it just isn't what you wrote.

 

How about you try getting and maintaining a flat stomach, and come back and tell us how easy it was? Leave the muscles alone for now. Your BMR would be much higher than a girl's, and you are a self-described ectomorph, so it should be even easier for you.

[Eclypse]

For losing 60 pounds her skin certainly looks impressive. This British guy, Paul Mason lost 2/3rds of his body weight (1000 pounds initially) after gastric bypass surgery. I can't link as I'm on my phone but the skin that's hanging off his body now is... indescribable. He can't even walk because of it.

 

Regardless, she's not my type.

[somedude81]

Most people, including the poster who posted after me, would agree that the guys I linked are 'skinny and some muscle'. Any less than that would be 'skinny with a little muscle'. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it just isn't what you wrote.

I only saw one person making a comment saying that one of the guys wasn't that muscular.

 

If that is your definition of some muscle, then I would be in the less muscle category.

 

Repeating what I said last time, if I wanted to have as much muscle as the guys you linked, I would need to gain muscle mass.

How about you try getting and maintaining a flat stomach, and come back and tell us how easy it was? Leave the muscles alone for now. Your BMR would be much higher than a girl's, and you are a self-described ectomorph, so it should be even easier for you.

Getting more muscle mass is a much more important goal then getting a flat stomach, which is why I'm not trying to get a 6-pack. I'm not walking around with no shirt everyday, so I want to look as good as I can with my clothes on.

 

So yes, getting a flat stomach would be significantly easier for me than bulking up, but since I'm trying to attract women, I won't accomplish that without getting bigger.

[Els]

There's nothing wrong with a guy who has 'less muscle'. I definitely wouldn't say he is any less healthy than a guy with 'more muscle', or has any less motivation in general.

 

Getting more muscle mass is a much more important goal then getting a flat stomach, which is why I'm not trying to get a 6-pack. I'm not walking around with no shirt everyday, so I want to look as good as I can with my clothes on.

 

So yes, getting a flat stomach would be significantly easier for me than bulking up, but since I'm trying to attract women, I won't accomplish that without getting bigger.

 

I don't see how the two goals are mutually exclusive? You could just slide through on the 'easier' one while working more slowly on the 'more difficult' one. Most bodybuilders incorporate cardio and ab workouts into their routines anyhow.

 

My personal opinion is that this is a case of imagining a task to be much easier than its execution.

[somedude81]

There's nothing wrong with a guy who has 'less muscle'. I definitely wouldn't say he is any less healthy than a guy with 'more muscle', or has any less motivation in general.

 

 

 

I don't see how the two goals are mutually exclusive? You could just slide through on the 'easier' one while working more slowly on the 'more difficult' one. Most bodybuilders incorporate cardio and ab workouts into their routines anyhow.

 

My personal opinion is that this is a case of imagining a task to be much easier than its execution.

In the majority of cases the two goals are mutually exclusive.

 

Normally, one bulks up first to gain muscle mass and then cuts to lose the fat. Both require very different diets. In order to have visibly defined abs the guy needs to have less than 10% body fat. That's very difficult to maintain while one is trying to gain weight.

[Els]

I recall TW, kaylan, and tman giving you very different advice on this. But I could be wrong.

[Emilia]

I recall TW, kaylan, and tman giving you very different advice on this. But I could be wrong.

 

guys gain and cut. gain muscle and fat and cut fat. it's a cycle

[Mr Scorpio]

Running 5 miles without breathing hard means you are not really challenging yourself. I like to call them junk miles. Running at an unchallenging pace even for 10 miles, only looks or sounds impressive to people that can't run. Yes, you can be overweight and run a marathon. Sure, you'll shuffle run barely faster than some people can walk, but I guess your fat friend or neighbors could be impressed with that.

 

No. Running 5 miles means you are in good shape. It means you are healthy. It means you already burned a ton of calories to get to that level of fitness.

[xxoo]

No. Running 5 miles means you are in good shape. It means you are healthy. It means you already burned a ton of calories to get to that level of fitness.

 

My H and I can both run 5 miles fairly easily. He, however, can run them much faster than I can.

 

How is it, then, that I am the one with more visible abs? Mostly genetics. His body hold onto every calorie and packs on muscle and fat, and mine burns everything I can eat.

[xxoo]

So yes, getting a flat stomach would be significantly easier for me than bulking up, but since I'm trying to attract women, I won't accomplish that without getting bigger.

 

You don't think abs on thin guys attract women? Some women prefer it to bulk!

 

If it's that easy to make your body a version of "hot", what is standing in your way?

 

It's like I said a couple pages back: work with what you've got. I'm thin, and I embrace it. Not all men like my type, but many do. The woman on the blog is thick, and she embraces it. Not all men like that type, but many do. The same is true for men's body types. You don't just give up because you don't have the genes to be bulky!

[Andy_K]

So yes, getting a flat stomach would be significantly easier for me than bulking up, but since I'm trying to attract women, I won't accomplish that without getting bigger.

 

In my personal experience I've found this to be true, which I found interesting. If you're wearing clothes, arms/shoulders/chest will get you far more attention than abs. If you're topless it's the other way around. Most dating isn't done topless, so the bulking is more effective if attention is your aim.

 

You can also carry quite a lot of chub on your chest and arms before you start looking 'fat' instead of 'big' too. I cut by 10bs in the last 6 months, lost half an inch or so off each bicep without any loss in muscle & strength. I could probably lose another 10lb of fat before I'd look totally ripped. The amount of muscle I'd have to gain to recreate that size is crazy.

[Radu]

My H and I can both run 5 miles fairly easily. He, however, can run them much faster than I can.

 

How is it, then, that I am the one with more visible abs? Mostly genetics. His body hold onto every calorie and packs on muscle and fat, and mine burns everything I can eat.

 

You'll be in trouble if you end up on the Lost island.

[Mr Scorpio]

You'll be in trouble if you end up on the Lost island.

 

Nah. Just gotta kill the smoke-monster. I'll bet its meat is delicious. It's already smoked!

[EasyHeart]

A male ectomorph and female endomorph are constantly fighting their genes to be the "ideal". But if you are male and born an endomorph, you are "blessed" with natural bulk. And if you are female and born an ectomorph, you are "blessed" with thinness. Either way, genetics matter.

Male endomorphs are also "blessed" with lots of body fat and female ectomorphs are "blessed" with small boobs and flat butts.

[somedude81]

You don't think abs on thin guys attract women? Some women prefer it to bulk!

 

If it's that easy to make your body a version of "hot", what is standing in your way?

 

If I had a 6-pack and a small frame, when would the girl know about it?

It's like I said a couple pages back: work with what you've got. I'm thin, and I embrace it. Not all men like my type, but many do. The woman on the blog is thick, and she embraces it. Not all men like that type, but many do. The same is true for men's body types. You don't just give up because you don't have the genes to be bulky!

I've been around long enough to get an idea of what body types turn women on.

 

Small framed short guy isn't one of them.

 

In my personal experience I've found this to be true, which I found interesting. If you're wearing clothes, arms/shoulders/chest will get you far more attention than abs. If you're topless it's the other way around. Most dating isn't done topless, so the bulking is more effective if attention is your aim.

 

You can also carry quite a lot of chub on your chest and arms before you start looking 'fat' instead of 'big' too. I cut by 10bs in the last 6 months, lost half an inch or so off each bicep without any loss in muscle & strength. I could probably lose another 10lb of fat before I'd look totally ripped. The amount of muscle I'd have to gain to recreate that size is crazy.

Yup, that's exactly what I've been talking about.

[xxoo]

Male endomorphs are also "blessed" with lots of body fat and female ectomorphs are "blessed" with small boobs and flat butts.

 

Let me guess, your glass is half empty?

 

Yes, these can be issues. Still, very attractive to many

[xxoo]

If I had a 6-pack and a small frame, when would the girl know about it?

 

You'd put a shirtless picture in your OLD profile picture, of course!

 

1. running in the park on a hot day

2. at the beach

3. at the gym

4. any other active lifestyle activity in the Cali heat

 

It's normal for me to see guys with their shirts off in the summer, just walking around a beach town. Girls walk around in bikinis, and guys in board shorts, even in the pizza shops.

[Anela]

It's a shame this is controversial to some:

Taryn Brumfitt - Body Image Movement - YouTube

 

 

I wish I loved my body now, as it is. I remember being 22, underweight (89lbs, after juicing three times a week after exercising, and drinking that quart o juice for hours - it wasn't intentional weight loss, I just wasn't thinking). I've had problems with my health all my life, and it's only been in recent years that I've been overweight.

[Weezy1973]

It makes me sad that so many women's self worth is so tied to their physical appearance. I think a lot of it is natural (i.e. evolutionary/genetic) but I also see a lot of women who value themselves for their intelligence or empathy or work ethic or etc. I truly believe that things are improving overall for the human race and I hope that this will be something that improves as well.

[AlexDP]

What the hell is going on in this thread??

 

Women are deciding what men should be attracted to. In violation of every biological rule.