Hey, guys! Want to see a REAL woman???

[tbf]

Please tell me why it's shallow for me to prefer women to not wear a lot of make up that can change their natural appearance. Frankly it seems pretty much the opposite of shallow.

 

Make up is essentially a fake face. The same general thing as a man sticking a sock in his pants.

So you feel ripped off that the woman's not as superficially attractive without makeup? Note how important it is to you, that she be as superficially attractive?

[fortyninethousand322]

Please tell me why it's shallow for me to prefer women to not wear a lot of make up that can change their natural appearance. Frankly it seems pretty much the opposite of shallow.

 

Make up is essentially a fake face. The same general thing as a man sticking a sock in his pants.

 

That's a low bar to shoot for. Why not a

?

[xxoo]

Please tell me why it's shallow for me to prefer women to not wear a lot of make up that can change their natural appearance. Frankly it seems pretty much the opposite of shallow.

 

Make up is essentially a fake face. The same general thing as a man sticking a sock in his pants.

 

When you post photos of the women you are most attracted to, are they wearing make up?

[SmileFace]

That's a low bar to shoot for. Why not a

?

I need to stop opening up links on ls.

[fortyninethousand322]

I need to stop opening up links on ls.

 

Hey now. That link goes to 11...

[somedude81]

So you feel ripped off that the woman's not as superficially attractive without makeup? Note how important it is to you, that she be as superficially attractive?

Who said anything about "superficially attractive?"

 

I'd feel ripped off if the woman looks like a completely different person. Why'd she have to hide who she was in the first place?

When you post photos of the women you are most attracted to, are they wearing make up?

Isn't just about every woman who has a picture on the internet wearing make up?

 

BTW xxoo, can you clarify the your post here?

JMO, but a good way to avoid the shallow men who expect full make up is to not wear full make up. Probably that will result in a huge decrease in attention--but that attention was worthless outside of an ego feed. And the attention you get will be of greater value.

I was trying to say that I agree with you but I'm being challenged by various members for some reason. Though I'm not sure why the same isn't happening to you.

[tbf]

Who said anything about "superficially attractive?"

 

I'd feel ripped off if the woman looks like a completely different person. Why'd she have to hide who she was in the first place?

Besides celebs and women who wear clown face makeup, who looks so different with make up removed, that they look like a completely different person?

[somedude81]

Besides celebs and women who wear clown face makeup, who looks so different with make up removed, that they look like a completely different person?

I asumed that's what xxoo meant by full make up. Enough to look like a different person. I also believe it's used by many more women then clowns and celebs.

[tbf]

I asumed that's what xxoo meant by full make up. Enough to look like a different person. I also believe it's used by many more women then clowns and celebs.

Any idea what constitutes full make up?

[somedude81]

Any idea what constitutes full make up?

You ever seen the Jenna Marbles video where she shows the various stages of make up? The end result is what I'd consider full make up.

 

Basically anything which results in a transformation.

 

I think it's stupid how women feel they need to put on a new face to attract men.

[tbf]

You ever seen the Jenna Marbles video where she shows the various stages of make up? The end result is what I'd consider full make up.

 

Basically anything which results in a transformation.

Jenna put on clown face make up, to illustrate her point. Do you honestly see a lot of girls running around with make up that's caked on as much as Jenna?

 

I think it's stupid how women feel they need to put on a new face to attract men.

*groans* And reset back to somedude's version of the world.

[somedude81]

*groans* And reset back to somedude's version of the world.

What the hell is your problem with me?

[Anela]

You ever seen the Jenna Marbles video where she shows the various stages of make up? The end result is what I'd consider full make up.

 

Basically anything which results in a transformation.

 

I think it's stupid how women feel they need to put on a new face to attract men.

 

I only ever wear foundation and powder, and a guy actually checked me out in the bookstore earlier - he did a double-take (hopefully for good reasons - I think my hair and skin are looking better) - but I was in no mood to talk to anyone at the time

 

But a lot of men don't pay attention unless my figure (or boobs) catch their attention. My sister is prettier than I am, and wears more makeup: foundation, powder, lipstick, eye makeup. She stands out more, and men tend to prefer her look.

 

*edit. I have no idea who Jenna Marbles is.

[somedude81]

When everyone else around you is, you need to. Men become accustomed to that look. I cannot tell you how many times I see a celeb in a candid without makeup and everyone goes "she is so plain!" If everyone didnt wear makeup she wouldnt be plain because the playing field would be leveled. However, a girl wearing absolutely no makeup men feel they look too plain. Or at least, thats why I wear some of it. You wouldnt go for a woman wearing absolutely none most likely in real life, so your responses are pointless to me. You pretty much want a very hot girl without any makeup...extremely rare.

And how'd you get the impression that I wouldn't go for a woman who doesn't wear make up at all? Or that I only want a very hot girl?

 

Listen, I don't care if a woman has bad color or blemishes. Those things are minor in overall attractiveness. A woman being plain doesn't mean anything to me.

 

So I was right in my assumption that make up is worn to attract men. It's been so ingrained into society that women feel it is a basic requirement. It's like the recent belief in professional cycling, where the only way to compete was to dope. Make up is just a way to even the playing field.

[Anela]

And how'd you get the impression that I wouldn't go for a woman who doesn't wear make up at all? Or that I only want a very hot girl?

 

Listen, I don't care if a woman has bad color or blemishes. Those things are minor in overall attractiveness. A woman being plain doesn't mean anything to me.

 

So I was right in my assumption that make up is worn to attract men. It's been so ingrained into society that women feel it is a basic requirement. It's like the recent belief in professional cycling, where the only way to compete was to dope. Make up is just a way to even the playing field.

 

I don't wear it to attract men; I wear foundation to even out my skin tone, when I'm in public. I feel a bit better just wearing it.

 

Not every woman wears it to attract a man, some wear it because they like to dress up, and feel prettier.

[Taramere]

I don't wear it to attract men; I wear foundation to even out my skin tone, when I'm in public. I feel a bit better just wearing it.

 

Not every woman wears it to attract a man, some wear it because they like to dress up, and feel prettier.

 

When an old boss of mine's husband was dying, I remember noticing that she still managed to always have her hair nicely done and would be wearing "full make up". She could be a nightmare at times, but I remember at that moment getting this quite emotional feeling of admiration for her. That whatever was going on, she would "put on her face" and get on with things.

 

They call it warpaint sometimes, and it can be. If everything's collapsing around you and you have to go into a job where you'll encounter people who are going to give you sh*t or try to bully you, putting on make up becomes part of a ritual. Demonstrating that you're not getting so down about it that you're departing from your usual routine. "You won't get the better of me. I'm not losing sleep over this - I'm getting up at my usual time, putting on my make up and getting on with things." Looking prettier for men is a very small part of it.

 

We all have to put on a face one way or another at times. Pretend things are okay when they're not. Make the effort to seem as though we're coping better than we are. Call it keeping up morale or a stiff upper lip. Some (like somedude) might call it fake. That's up to them. Ultimately the world is divided into those who have the survival instinct and those who don't.

Edited April 29, 2013 by Taramere

[xxoo]

I was trying to say that I agree with you but I'm being challenged by various members for some reason. Though I'm not sure why the same isn't happening to you.

 

I'm a woman, and I understand the full range of reasons that women wear make up. I didn't start wearing it to work daily until I was 35, and married. Do I wear it for men? Absolutely not. I wear it (when I do) because that is the expected "baseline" in my perspective.

 

If women feel that the "baseline" is with make up, and that they won't attract any guys without, they'll probably feel a lot of pressure to wear it (or feel very insecure without it).

 

Furthermore, there is a belief/fear that men can't actually identify "no make up". When they think a woman is wearing no make up, she is often wearing some. Men may overlook the women wearing no make up completely. I go without make up at least 50% of the time, and that hasn't been my experience--but mileage varies. I feel very comfortable and confident without make up, so maybe that is why I get noticed?

 

Finally, I am attracted to the men who are attracted to me without make up. It is possible that the make up wearers are going for a different type of guy, and wouldn't be impressed with the men I like.

[somedude81]

I'm a woman, and I understand the full range of reasons that women wear make up. I didn't start wearing it to work daily until I was 35, and married. Do I wear it for men? Absolutely not. I wear it (when I do) because that is the expected "baseline" in my perspective.

 

If women feel that the "baseline" is with make up, and that they won't attract any guys without, they'll probably feel a lot of pressure to wear it (or feel very insecure without it).

 

Furthermore, there is a belief/fear that men can't actually identify "no make up". When they think a woman is wearing no make up, she is often wearing some. Men may overlook the women wearing no make up completely. I go without make up at least 50% of the time, and that hasn't been my experience--but mileage varies. I feel very comfortable and confident without make up, so maybe that is why I get noticed?

Finally, I am attracted to the men who are attracted to me without make up. It is possible that the make up wearers are going for a different type of guy, and wouldn't be impressed with the men I like.

And that's probably the key. Some women are into men who would only be attracted to those women if they were wearing make up.

 

I believe that you are doing it right by not being interested in those men.

 

 

Based on your responses to threads here on this site that have pics of women- you have high physical standards.

Once someone posted a pic of a girl who was clearly above average and you didnt think much of her.

When I used to have my pics up and I told you my measurements (which not to brag...are pretty damn good. I was blessed with good genes body-wise) you told me I wasnt curvy enough. Then when I showed you a curvier woman you complained her stomach wasnt flat enough.

This is why I dont listen to what men SAY they like.

OK you are going to have to dig up those posts because I don't remember saying those things. I've had people before trying to pass off someone else's posts as my own.

If you walked into a room filled with 20 women, 19 of whom are wearing makeup to varying degrees and the 20th woman who is makeupless and who is really just as pretty as the others (when nobody has makeup on), you would not choose her. You can say you would all you want, but like I said based on your responses to pics on this site Im pretty damn sure you wouldnt.

I care about a woman's body shape a hell of a lot more than I care about her face. As long as a woman has a nice figure and a face that ain't ugly, I'd be perfectly fine with how she looks. Make up or not.

 

I dont do it just for men. My first job was at an upscale, more polished workplace and when I dressed professionally and wore makeup people treated me better.

Have you tried dressing professionally and not wearing make up?

[Mr Scorpio]

Bottom line is men are hypocritical and nothing you do looks-wise will be enough for them to be content and not have anything to say about it and they pretty much expect a girl to roll out of bed with no time and effort and look like these made-up women they see all the time. Sorry men, .1% of the female population can do that.

 

Where in this thread did anyone state that they expect women to roll out of bed looking like a movie-star? Where in this thread did anyone state that celebrities are "real people" in terms of appearence? Where in this thread did anyone state that they are incapable of being content with the appearence of a woman?

[xxoo]

If you are dating, presumably they know what you look like without makeup. If they complain about you taking the time to put it on, maybe it's because they think you are beautiful without it.

 

I would hope that most men want a woman who is beautiful to him in the morning. Beautiful to him.

Edited April 29, 2013 by xxoo

[USMCHokie]

I guess in my experience, the best way to go about it is for a girl to be perfectly comfortable walking around sans makeup but also be willing and enthusiastic to doll up for the right occasions. It just makes the times she is made-up all the more special.

[SJC2008]

I didnt say anyone stated that. But Ive grown up being surrounded by men, I have alot of male friends and I work in a male dominated field. Men generally show this attitude with their behavior (and several guys who have responded to this forum show this attitude on this site).

 

Decent looking girl rolls out of bed, doesnt do much with her hair, wear any makeup but is still pretty attractive (seen pics on this site of girls who do this, titled "why do I have issues dating?" in some variation)...guys on this site critique her saying "shes too plain! go wear some makeup! that'll attract men!" Then later say "I hate it when a girl takes off her makeup and looks like a different person!" yet pick girls that put effort into their appearance dating wise. I dont listen much to what guys say- they contradict everything they say with their actions. Ive heard countless men say they like natural beauties and girls who arent into their looks and then when faced with a room full of women, pick the ones that obviously have to work a bit for their appearance. My experience shows, men want a hot woman without any of the drawbacks. They want a hot girl who doesnt have to do much to get her appearance. One who doesnt need much time to get ready in the morning and doesnt spend hours at the gym everyday. Those kind of naturally hot women are rare. I cant tell you the number of times Ive dated a guy who both said Im very beautiful and then later in dating made comments about me working out so much and taking 30 mins in the morning to do hair/makeup *facepalm* They genuinely seem to think girls naturally look like that...they dont get it. Im in my mid 20's, so perhaps its just the men around my age but they certainly do this. Ive had several female friends complain about this too.

 

 

The funny thing is that a lot of hot women look horrible without makeup. I like naturally attractive women who don't look hot. The last woman I dated was naturally attractive and wore almost no makeup.

[tbf]

This thread is funny:

 

Guys: I'm not picky or have high standards. An average girl will do. It's just that she needs to be naturally attractive with a great figure who doesn't have to do anything to look this way.

Women: Umm...guys, the majority of women are average looking. That's what average means. Look at these pics of average girl A, B and C.

Guys: Girl A is too fat. Girl B has weird lips. Girl C's boobs are too small and doesn't have much of a waist.

Women: *sigh*

Guys: I'm forever alone. No average girl wants me. Women only want the top 10% of men.

[USMCHokie]

This thread is funny:

 

Guys: I'm not picky or have high standards. An average girl will do. It's just that she needs to be naturally attractive with a great figure who doesn't have to do anything to look this way.

Women: Umm...guys, the majority of women are average looking. That's what average means. Look at these pics of average girl A, B and C.

Guys: Girl A is too fat. Girl B has weird lips. Girl C's boobs are too small and doesn't have much of a waist.

Women: *sigh*

Guys: I'm forever alone. No average girl wants me. Women only want the top 10% of men.

 

This exchange rests on one very key assumption that you fail to point out in the dialogue.

 

The average girl wants the average guy.

[tbf]

This exchange rests on one very key assumption that you fail to point out in the dialogue.

 

The average girl wants the average guy.

Expand on this. Exactly what do you mean?