Did Jesus teleport 3-4 miles instantly?

[TaraMaiden]

I no longer feel nuts for thinking that my little sandwich was a little blessing from God.

 

LOL what?

 

I think she means that her nuttiness pales into insignificance compared to yours.

 

And she's a devout Christian.......

[M30USA]

I think she means that her nuttiness pales into insignificance compared to yours.

 

And she's a devout Christian.......

 

Elisha was also considered to be nutty after he witnessed his associate, Elijah, get taken up into the sky by a chariot. According to 2 Kings, a group of kids came up to him afterwards and started mocking him, saying, "Go up, baldhead! Go up!"

 

One true test of truth is that it always gets ridiculed. It just has to be this way. It's a law of the universe.

 

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

-Quote attributed to Arthur Schopenhauer

[M30USA]

And she's a devout Christian.......

 

That means nothing to me. I happen to like her, but I go entirely by what Scripture says, not devout Christians.

[dreamingoftigers]

If it's included in Scripture, it matters. Otherwise the Gospels would read as follows: "A really nice man named Jesus loved people a lot."

 

The reason I am interested in these things is because we are now coming to a point in our science where such things are at least becoming seriously considered. We know that on a subatomic level, electrons literally teleport from one location to another.

 

Seriously, the Old Testament Law about not having relations on your period doesn't strike me as being an amazingly important factoid that I needed to know to improve my relationship with God.

 

Scriptures were recorded by men, from their experience and instruction from the Almighty. And he mustve been pretty frustrated trying to send it through the thick skulls of his creations. Look at how we've managed to lose a bunch of testimonies or how others managed to turn his word into tools for hatred.

 

Brother, stop seeing the aliens and Christ returning like one.

You don't know the details of how it will happen any better than anyone else whose perused those pages.

 

Work on the love part, not whether or not Christ had a motorboat. If these truly ARE PEARLS than stop chucking them out as to swine. Really....

[dreamingoftigers]

I think she means that her nuttiness pales into insignificance compared to yours.

 

And she's a devout Christian.......

 

Some would not consider me Christian.

 

I try, but devout seems a little heavy of a mantle.

 

But yes, that was the correct interpretation

[dreamingoftigers]

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

-Quote attributed to Arthur Schopenhauer

 

I'll promise to not violently oppose the alien and teleportation theories.

 

I'll stick to scorn.

 

I'm kidding.....

 

But to actually get back at my overarching point, you mention teleportation etc.

 

It almost sounds like you are suggesting the Christ had some form of "advanced technology."

 

But really, the designer of the universe isn't just the guy with the best toys. Does the make sense?

 

Of course the ever-present would be just that: ever present.

 

I'm a pretty naturally curious person, but the observable properties of such an act (teleportation) would have disappeared so long ago, that trying to confirm it seems, at best, a loss.

 

Now time travel, that could confirm it. Maybe work on time travel.

[TaraMaiden]

Elisha was also considered to be nutty after he witnessed his associate, Elijah, get taken up into the sky by a chariot. According to 2 Kings, a group of kids came up to him afterwards and started mocking him, saying, "Go up, baldhead! Go up!"

 

One true test of truth is that it always gets ridiculed. It just has to be this way. It's a law of the universe.

 

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

-Quote attributed to Arthur Schopenhauer

 

The lady doth protest too much, methinks....

 

Insistence on ridicule doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

 

That means nothing to me. I happen to like her, but I go entirely by what Scripture says, not devout Christians.

 

It means that just for once, it's not an atheist telling you the idea is hare-brained.....

[dreamingoftigers]

It being ridiculed doesn't mean it's automatically true.

 

Sometimes it just means that it's nuts.

[M30USA]

It being ridiculed doesn't mean it's automatically true.

 

Sometimes it just means that it's nuts.

 

Do you think the following ideas are nuts (most Christians do)?

 

1) Rapture of millions of Christians off the earth

2) Return of Christ from the sky

3) Elijah being taken in chariot

[Eve]

If it's included in Scripture, it matters. Otherwise the Gospels would read as follows: "A really nice man named Jesus loved people a lot."

 

The reason I am interested in these things is because we are now coming to a point in our science where such things are at least becoming seriously considered. We know that on a subatomic level, electrons literally teleport from one location to another.

 

H'mmm.. still I would ask Jesus how best you can live out the revelations you are receiving about His personhood. Not telling you what to do because I can't but just be careful of your energy levels and who you are giving your energy to. Significantly, many off the people you speak with here will never meet the trust threshold you seem to want to give. I am not saying not to post but please seek out others in real life who you can discuss all things with.

 

Personally I would really like to see you working on the emotional issues left by your ex. I think you are here for a reason other than spiritual talk. I pray the opening up you are relying on in Christ will include some release/development of trust also on a person to person level enough for you to process that experience.

 

So be careful.

 

Still, yes the point made was interesting however you chose to phrase it today. I hope you get further insights which inspire you towards not only movement/s but inspire you towards love. For God is love and has the whole demonic thing sorted. He really does

 

Take care,

Eve x

[dreamingoftigers]

Do you think the following ideas are nuts (most Christians do)?

 

1) Rapture of millions of Christians off the earth

2) Return of Christ from the sky

3) Elijah being taken in chariot

 

Actually in my faith, he came down descended in a pillar of light already.

Elijah and the chariot. Yeah, I buy that. Especially because I wouldn't want to end up like the mocking youths. Rapture. No. Not in the sense presented by mainstream Christianity. The bible is vague about those events as well.

 

Probably those that envisioned them quite possibly didn't have the vocabulary to articulate what they were seeing. For instance they might have described a submarine as a "great fish" or something like that because even the metal works wouldn't have been advanced enough to define it.

 

But TBH, saying Christ is going to be seen as an "attacking alien" and that he "teleported" to his disciples makes me want to counter with, "No way! Scotty beamed him down! And now you're trying to usurp his part of the story!"

[M30USA]

What? When did I say Christ was "beamed down"? I'm sorry but I'm very close to discontinuing any more discussion with anyone on this subject because it requires lots of study--without which it only makes what I'm saying seem like comedy.

 

Want to know why Jesus spoke in parables? It was because he understood that some things just cannot be comprehended by certain people at certain times (myself included). Additionally, Jesus himself said that God has actually sealed and hidden knowledge from certain people.

 

Source:

“And the disciples came, and said unto Him, Why do you speak unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto YOU to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but unto them it is NOT given.” Matt 13:10-11

Edited April 23, 2013 by M30USA

[M30USA]

Sorry, my last post sounded kind of arrogant. It's hard to discuss things like this without sounding that way. Maybe we can just let this fizzle out. Peace.

[pie2]

Maybe we can just let this fizzle out.

 

Oh, man...and I was just about to bust this thread up!

 

 

(Haha ...not really )

 

 

Well, except to say that...

 

Christianity is dead.

 

Christianity isn't dead to me!

Edited April 23, 2013 by pie2

[dreamingoftigers]

Sorry, my last post sounded kind of arrogant. It's hard to discuss things like this without sounding that way. Maybe we can just let this fizzle out. Peace.

 

I didn't say you said "beamed down."

 

I said that teleportation smacks as bordering on interpreting a fantasy from scripture.

 

I just said it more rudely/sarcastically that's all.

 

No, rude/sarc is too harsh.

I was trying to make a comparison, but it was more "jokey" but it just comes off as being a jerk.

 

Maybe I'm a jerk.

 

I've been pretty unregulated the last couple of weeks. I notice my posts sound more "brusque."

[M30USA]

I didn't say you said "beamed down."

 

I said that teleportation smacks as bordering on interpreting a fantasy from scripture.

 

I just said it more rudely/sarcastically that's all.

 

No, rude/sarc is too harsh.

I was trying to make a comparison, but it was more "jokey" but it just comes off as being a jerk.

 

Maybe I'm a jerk.

 

I've been pretty unregulated the last couple of weeks. I notice my posts sound more "brusque."

 

No prob. I'm trying to work around my Aspergers and realize that...

 

*clears throat*

 

...sometimes relationships and social interaction are more important than knowing the answers to questions.

[pie2]

No prob. I'm trying to work around my Aspergers and realize that...

 

*clears throat*

 

...sometimes relationships and social interaction are more important than knowing the answers to questions.

 

 

:love::love:

 

~ Love this! ~

 

(I've got to remember it too!)

[Eve]

M30USA - Well I didn't know you were higher up on the spectrum. To satisfy your want to find facts - as would usually be part of such a diagnosis, I would suggest maybe looking into Biblical archaeology.

 

Biblical archaeology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

I have a first edition of a highly respected book on this topic. It is interesting stuff for those who are interested.

 

Amazon.com: The Bible as History (9780553279436): Werner Keller: Books

 

 

Take care,

Eve x

[M30USA]

M30USA - Well I didn't know you were higher up on the spectrum. To satisfy your want to find facts - as would usually be part of such a diagnosis, I would suggest maybe looking into Biblical archaeology.

 

Biblical archaeology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

I have a first edition of a highly respected book on this topic. It is interesting stuff for those who are interested.

 

Amazon.com: The Bible as History (9780553279436): Werner Keller: Books

 

 

Take care,

Eve x

 

Thanks for link. I've gotten much of my info from "Evidence That Demands A Verdict", the classic by Josh McDowell.

[Eve]

Thanks for link. I've gotten much of my info from "Evidence That Demands A Verdict", the classic by Josh McDowell.

 

I had a peek inside at the link provided but could not see any archaeological info. The book does look at recognised artifacts and measures them to Biblical accounts, no? The guy is a bit primed for action too, lol. Still I will put it on my to buy list. Thank you

 

Personally I found the book I linked interesting as I had no idea that the places and people I have read about in the Bible had been found. Didn't bother putting that on the news did they? The progress of surrounding nations are placed into historical context too which is insightful. Some of the language is a bit flowery but I think this is due to the book being a translation.

 

Archaeology is something I have always been interested in. I may join a group where I live as my town has some seriously interesting history. Always loved digging up things as a child.

 

 

Take care,

Eve x

[BetheButterfly]

Jesus was able to walk on water, walk through walls/doors, and perform other physical miracles.

 

There is one miracle, however, that I just found which I had been reading right past for years. If you read the following paragraph, it is clear that Jesus transported his boat and all the disciples 3-4 miles instantly, as if he was capable of teleportation:

 

"When evening came, his disciples went down to the sea, got into a boat, and started across the sea to Capernaum. It was now dark, and Jesus had not yet come to them. The sea became rough because a strong wind was blowing. When they had rowed about three or four miles, they saw Jesus walking on the sea and coming near the boat, and they were frightened. But he said to them, "It is I; do not be afraid." Then they were glad to take him into the boat, and immediately the boat was at the land to which they were going." (John 6:16-21 ESV)

 

I do think it's possible that he teleported the boat and everybody, though I don't think this passage is clear in being teleportation. It is a possibility.

 

Unlike Thomas Jefferson and others who thought that all miracles of Jesus were not true, I do believe the accounts of Jesus healing people and all his miracles are true.

 

As for people who think Christianity or what Jesus did and said accounted in the New Testament is "nuts", I had to learn too to just realize that there are intolerant people, as well as even people filled with hate, in this world. What they need is Love though, so it is important to treat them with kindness and respect.

 

1 Peter 3:15 has very important advice:

1 Peter 3 NIV - Wives, in the same way submit - Bible Gateway

 

"But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,"

 

 

God gave Paul inspiration to reveal a very important truth about the fruit of the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, which all of us who love Jesus Christ need to concentrate on growing:

 

Galatians 5

Gal 5 NIV - Freedom in Christ - It is for freedom - Bible Gateway

"22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."

 

Isn't that so beautiful??? We need to grow in the fruit of the Spirit, regardless of what other people think.

 

I very much agree with Eve's advice. God is Love, and we need to grow in Love. What is important is to grow in our relationships: with God and with the people around us.

 

Right now it is good to grow in healing from the past and to focus on the purpose God has for us: to love and to be loved!!!

 

Paul has more inspired advice earlier on in this chapter:

 

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

 

I don't think Christians here on this forum are biting and devouring each other, but we need to make sure that we are growing in love towards each other (John 15:12), as well as for our neighbors and ourselves (Matthew 22:39), as well as even for our enemies (Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-37).

 

 

 

Blessings,

 

 

With love in Christ from your sis in Christ

[M30USA]

Lol, well I'm using the word "teleport" in the sense that an object (or objects) spontaneously transported to another location in space. Don't think of sci-fi or ships, just take it for what it says. It happened by SOME means.

[dreamingoftigers]

I do think it's possible that he teleported the boat and everybody, though I don't think this passage is clear in being teleportation. It is a possibility.

 

Unlike Thomas Jefferson and others who thought that all miracles of Jesus were not true, I do believe the accounts of Jesus healing people and all his miracles are true.

 

As for people who think Christianity or what Jesus did and said accounted in the New Testament is "nuts", I had to learn too to just realize that there are intolerant people, as well as even people filled with hate, in this world. What they need is Love though, so it is important to treat them with kindness and respect.

 

1 Peter 3:15 has very important advice:

1 Peter 3 NIV - Wives, in the same way submit - Bible Gateway

 

"But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,"

 

 

God gave Paul inspiration to reveal a very important truth about the fruit of the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, which all of us who love Jesus Christ need to concentrate on growing:

 

Galatians 5

Gal 5 NIV - Freedom in Christ - It is for freedom - Bible Gateway

"22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."

 

Isn't that so beautiful??? We need to grow in the fruit of the Spirit, regardless of what other people think.

 

I very much agree with Eve's advice. God is Love, and we need to grow in Love. What is important is to grow in our relationships: with God and with the people around us.

 

Right now it is good to grow in healing from the past and to focus on the purpose God has for us: to love and to be loved!!!

 

Paul has more inspired advice earlier on in this chapter:

 

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

 

I don't think Christians here on this forum are biting and devouring each other, but we need to make sure that we are growing in love towards each other (John 15:12), as well as for our neighbors and ourselves (Matthew 22:39), as well as even for our enemies (Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-37).

 

 

 

Blessings,

 

 

With love in Christ from your sis in Christ

 

Alright, alright.... I've received my 100 lashes.... of love and guidance.

[M30USA]

The apostles shared what they saw. They saw him going up into the sky and believe he went to Heaven, as the angels (2 men in white garments) said:

 

Acts 1 NIV - Jesus Taken Up Into Heaven - In my - Bible Gateway (I boldened some.)

6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”

7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

 

 

The apostles (with the exception of Judas Iscariot who was replaced by Matthias accounted in the first chapter of Acts) were convinced, based on their experiences, that Jesus was alive after his death. While some people today like to mock what they sincerely believed, for other people like me, we believe the testimonies preserved through the ages concerning Jesus by his followers who walked and talked with him.

 

People can of course not believe. That is their right too, same as it is the right of others to believe.

 

Nice.

 

And what's even more amazing is that most of the disciples, with the possible exception of Peter, did NOT know who Christ was BEFORE he was crucified. This brings up a point which doubters must explain: why the sudden change in ALL of them from doubting cowards to bold believing martyrs after his was resurrected?

[Mme. Chaucer]

BlackG,

 

The authenticity and accuracy of Scripture is only questionable to those who haven't researched it.

 

And that right there is the reason why you are not a good partner in a conversation, and why you do your cause a terrible disservice as well

 

You start right off with "I'm absolutely right and anyone who does not agree with me is ignorant."

 

You are exactly the same as the atheists who come at YOU with "The authenticity and accuracy of scripture is only believable to those who are out of touch with reality."

 

If your only target audience is those who are exactly aligned with you in all of your beliefs, why do you even post here? "Preaching to the choir" is your thing. You can't communicate with anyone who doesn't want to understand the bible as proof of UFO's and "teleporting." You just stand on your soapbox and proclaim over and over, "I'm right and you all are wrong, because I am the ONLY one here who is capable of understanding what I read."

 

Not a good platform. I'm sure there are fringe fundie boards where you can bolster the imaginations of other likeminded folks without having to be bothered by actually considering and addressing different points of view.