Plastic surgery

[JuneJulySeptember]

Another poster suggested plastic surgery as a way to improve my chances with women, and I'd like to discuss it.

 

Here's my take on it.

 

I've seen many before and after pictures of men and women with plastic surgery and to me it makes almost no difference in attractiveness. The most extreme change I can think of is Jennifer Grey and I would argue she looks less attractive than before.

 

Beauty is ingrained with a set bone structure and midface which is difficult to change. If you put classically handsome features on a bad bone structure, it just comes out unnatural.

 

Opinions on plastic surgery?

[Imajerk17]

RE your lack of success with women:

 

It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks.

 

Did I mention that it's not your looks?

[crederer]

My opinion is that you shouldn't need plastic surgery unless you are seriously deformed.

[pteromom]

I have no issue with plastic surgery, *if* it is to solve a physical issue on an otherwise emotionally healthy person. If someone thinks they would look better with a smaller nose, hey, more power to them.

 

But I do not believe plastic surgery will improve someone's chances with women. It isn't as if most women would say "OMG, I would so date him, but that NOSE!"

 

Sure, there are shallow women out there, but MOST women will decide who to date based on how a guy makes her feel about herself. If a guy makes a woman feel beautiful and special and understood and accepted, it isn't going to matter if he has a big nose.

 

(Not that I know what plastic surgery you would consider - nose is just an example.)

[USMCHokie]

I have considered it and may still look further into it when I get back home.

[xxoo]

Plastic surgery may be helpful for people with a huge confidence issue related to their appearance. In other words, it can give a mental advantage, even if not a physical advantage.

 

It would be better, imo, to work through the confidence issue without the scalpel...

[USMCHokie]

But I do not believe plastic surgery will improve someone's chances with women. It isn't as if most women would say "OMG, I would so date him, but that NOSE!"

 

It's not necessarily the feature itself that is getting worked on that makes the difference...a procedure or a combination of procedures often restores a balance to the entire face which makes the whole face more aesthetically pleasing. A nose procedure not only affects the shape and size of the nose, but the look of the entire face around it.

[ThaWholigan]

Well, you'd have to get a really, really good surgeon to get good results. That goes for anyone...

[mortensorchid]

Plastic surgery is a good thing for those who feel that they really need it. Either for reconstruction or for making you feel good about yourself. Like everything else, it should be done in moderation and not taken to extremes; and when something is botched or done poorly then it's noticed and we poke fun at it.

 

If we are talking about certain plastic surgery - let's not deny it - boob jobs. Where do we stand on it? Well ... THe huge ones like Pamela Anderson are meant to be joked at because they are so huge they are so obviously fake. As for the more modest ones, they're alright. I had a friend who had hers done, she let me touch it. They were hard as a rock and didn't move. That's why we don't like them, they're hard as rocks and obviously foreign bodies on our persons.

 

But a note on Jennifer Grey's plastic surgery now that you mention it, because even good things can backfire on you. She had a nose job (as you will see from some Googled before/after pictures), which was a fine nose job. Unfortunately for her, she had a very specific look about her and the nose job changed her appearance so much that people did not recognize her and her career really didn't go anywhere after her famed DD days.

[JuneJulySeptember]

It's not necessarily the feature itself that is getting worked on that makes the difference...a procedure or a combination of procedures often restores a balance to the entire face which makes the whole face more aesthetically pleasing. A nose procedure not only affects the shape and size of the nose, but the look of the entire face around it.

 

For a non-deformed person though, faces have a certain symmetry about them which if interrupted looks unnatural and goofy. It's because faces were meant for seeing, eating, and breathing.

 

For example Asians have certain features to help them acclimate to certain climates. Faces were not meant for us to decide who/whom to have sex with and spend the rest of our lives with. But I digress.

 

I have looked at MANY photos of plastic surgeries and have rarely seen someone benefit a significant amount from it.

 

The one exception I can think of is when a person has almost no chin and gets one implanted.

 

http://www.theluxuryspot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/chin_implant.jpg

 

But my chin is already fairly prominent.

[mesmerized]

Unless you have a very noticeable issue, plastic surgery is not going to change your chances with women.

[Star Gazer]

That's why we don't like them, they're hard as rocks and obviously foreign bodies on our persons.

 

Any woman whose implants feel like rocks either had a bad surgeon or got them way too big or a combination of the two.

 

Mine look and feel very natural. I've had so many people be shocked when they found out I even have them, including men who'd played with them.

[mesmerized]

Any woman whose implants feel like rocks either had a bad surgeon or got them way too big or a combination of the two.

 

Mine look and feel very natural. I've had so many people be shocked when they found out I even have them, including men who'd played with them.

 

Your signature is AWESOME!!!

[ThaWholigan]

Your signature is AWESOME!!!

It's funny - I knew you would be the one to draw attention to her sig

[JuneJulySeptember]

Unless you have a very noticeable issue, plastic surgery is not going to change your chances with women.

 

I agree, though I think in many, many years, long after we're dead, we will have the ability to literally make men who like William Hung look like this guy:

 

http://asianwiki.com/images/thumb/2/27/Takeshi_Kaneshiro-BIFF-p2.jpg/250px-Takeshi_Kaneshiro-BIFF-p2.jpg

 

Of course, the costs will be prohibitive at first, but it will be interesting to see what that does to society.

 

On a somewhat related note, I was thinking about the posters who suggest men get leg lengthening surgery, and I noticed that no movie star has ever gotten it done. Not Tom Cruise, Justin Beiber, not Jermaine Dupri.

 

Kind of interesting considering they easily have the $ to get it done right, and the time to spend the year off to do it.

[USMCHokie]

Your signature is AWESOME!!!

 

Just to clarify, her signature refers to the quantity of sausage, not the size of the sausage itself.

[Star Gazer]

Just to clarify, her signature refers to the quantity of sausage, not the size of the sausage itself.

 

Since it's my signature, let me make it clear: It refers to both size and quantity.

[PJKino]

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But I do not believe plastic surgery will improve someone's chances with women. It isn't as if most women would say "OMG, I would so date him, but that NOSE!"

 

Sure, there are shallow women out there, but MOST women will decide who to date based on how a guy makes her feel about herself. If a guy makes a woman feel beautiful and special and understood and accepted, it isn't going to matter if he has a big nose.

 

 

lol.......

[JuneJulySeptember]

... MOST women will decide who to date based on how a guy makes her feel about herself. If a guy makes a woman feel beautiful and special and understood and accepted, it isn't going to matter if he has a big nose.

 

 

:lmao:

[Treasa]

I plan to go to the grave with no alterations being made to my face or form. Failings and flaws and all. My momma gave birth to a perfect little girl, and I'm never giving up a tiny bit of myself.

 

You can do what you'd like, though. All of the above being true, I don't judge other people who have had plastic surgery, except to want to be very gentle around them after surgery. As always I continue to see the beautiful in people whenever I can, and that is for both skin-deep and more than skin-deep.

 

If you're still not happy with yourself after, you may want to seriously look within for the answers. But if it truly makes you feel better about yourself, go for it.

[Charlie Harper]

No surgery will fix bad attitudes, insecurity and confidence.

 

If I had all the money to change myself, I would make me a better person, not a better looking person.

[FitChick]

Be sure to go to someone who specializes in ethnic plastic surgery. Most of these results look good. Subtle changes where the people still look like themselves. No one looks like Michael Jackson.

[Object_a]

No surgery will fix bad attitudes, insecurity and confidence.

 

I beg to differ, I had some fairly minor cosmetic surgery done and the change was so minor that most people didn't even seem to notice but it made a massive difference to my confidence and self-esteem. But at the same time, I think it's true that for some people, they will always look for the flaws in themselves and never feel quite happy no matter how much work they have done. It worked for me because other than what I had done I felt generally okay about myself.

[Emilia]

Surgery is huge risk, I've seen so many bad results. You carry your visage around all your life, I would be extremely nervous f***ing around with it. Otherwise 'live and let live' 100%

[Mme. Chaucer]

RE your lack of success with women:

 

It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks. It's not your looks.

 

Did I mention that it's not your looks?

 

It's not your looks.

 

Also, it's a very bad idea to do have plastic surgery with unrealistic expectations of the results. Plastic surgery will make you look different than you do right now. It WILL NOT make women attracted to you.

 

Lots of plastic surgeons would not even work on someone who expected life-changing results unless they were a disfigured person.

 

If you'd listen to others rather than feeling sorry for yourself because you don't think you're very pretty, you'd be working on yourself from within. And connecting with women who would actually like you.