Atheists can spot unbiblical teaching better than Christians

[pureinheart]

Jesus picked corn on the sabbath. That was (is) a sin.

 

He also healed a sick man on the Sabbath, and the Pharisees tried to trap Him.

 

Jesus fulfilled the Law, He didn't sin.

 

ED, while I respect the Law, it would have driven me nuts...lol, much like the laws today do. In many ways secularism reminds me of this (Pharisees).

 

There are 62 volumns just on how to keep the Sabbath holy

[pureinheart]

Please cite me the biblical verses which tell us to committ genocide, have slaves, and hate people.

 

If you cite the genocide of Canaan, be aware that God destroyed them because they were offspring of fallen angels. (This was the same reason for the flood, contrary to what you've been taught.) If you bring up the verses about slavery, be aware that God required slaves to be freed after seven years (if a person chose to have them).

 

The atrocities you have in your mind were done by people who were not following Scripture, but rather their own worldly power trips under the guise of Christianity. But real Christianity based on Scripture could not be father from the truth.

 

This brings us back to the idea of my OP: there is a disconnect between the text of Scripture and what is actually taught in many churches, seminaries, and society at large.

 

In a movie I recently watched concerning slavery, which IMO was more accurate than most out there, meaning depicting the details of mindsets. A little girl (slave) is taught how to read and write- she is hungry for knowledge and steals a Bible. The slaves in this area were forced to attend church (why? because the "church" taught that slavery was Biblical!). In a pivotal point in the movie after the little girl gathers a few words she's reading this Bible- astonished she screams, wait God didn't say it was ok to own slaves, they lied (paraphrase)!

 

Ok M30, I get it now....

[TheFinalWord]

Jesus picked corn on the sabbath. That was (is) a sin.

 

That's a good point. Jesus reply was that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. He also showed how when David was hungry he ate the show bread (bread that was only lawful for the priests to eat).

 

The Pharisees were the religious leaders of that day. They had the law of Moses, but like PIH said they had volumes about the interpretation. For example, they accused Jesus of sinning for healing a blind man on the Sabbath? Why? Because he made spittle out of the mud and put it on the man's eyes (ie. he spit into the dirt to make mud). Technically, according to the Pharisees, Jesus plowed a field on the sabbath. That's how ridiculous it got (sound familiar to today? lol...a lot of Christians still live under a yoke of the law). Jesus showed on a number of occasions how the Pharisees broke the law by keeping their traditions.

 

How does this apply practically?

 

Like Jesus said, the sabbath was made for man. In other words, we need a day of rest. We should take one day a week to not think about work, and relax and enjoy friends and family. This is also a good day, if you're a believer, to spend time focusing on God.

 

As a workaholic, this is a principle I apply to my life. It is easy for me to work 100+ hours a week. However, it isn't healthy. Since I've applied the Sabbath principle (6 days on, 1 day off), my mind is much more clear and I am actually much more productive!!

 

Now, do I have to obey the Sabbath principle? No. But is it beneficial to follow God's wisdom for maximizing productivity and deloading stress? I have found the answer is 100%, yes. And when I don't I feel the results

 

PS: I see you have a Venom avatar...if you like black metal you should check out Antestor unchained video.

Edited May 23, 2013 by TheFinalWord

[M30USA]

Jesus breathed air on the sabbath! That's a sin! Hey, your lungs and diaphragm have to work for that! (Joking.)

[TheFinalWord]

Jesus breathed air on the sabbath! That's a sin! Hey, your lungs and diaphragm have to work for that! (Joking.)

 

It's pretty funny, b/c at one point Jesus actually got mad about it...

 

Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.” Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent. He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

[pureinheart]

Jesus breathed air on the sabbath! That's a sin! Hey, your lungs and diaphragm have to work for that! (Joking.)

 

This is a very good point!

 

Hey, as a personal note- just want to put it out there, that any faith that follows The Law, or laws, I mean no disrespect.

 

Please note that it is just "me". I get confused (literally) when I have to follow a bunch of rules. This has been a problem all my life. In my job there had to be a "corrective action" for every failure, anomaly, or mistake. Most processes went from 24 hours to complete to over a week. I felt like my arms were bound to my side.

 

While some rules/regs actually help, I think it gets taken too far to justify ones existance in a job or organisation.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, although I remember learning that the people, O/T times, weren't satisfied with God as their "leader"- they wanted a "king" or ruler, of which I believe God answered the "call" with Nimrod.

 

In seeing the stack of paperwork for Obamacare alone, I began to take this further to city/county/state/gov ....does it not remind you of the "Tower of Babble"?

 

The papework involved in building one Space Shuttle weighed more than the Shuttle itself- that's a fact BTW.

 

Another point which bothered me is, my son and I tried to volunteer to serve food to the hungry on Thanksgiving. We were turned down because we needed to attend the orientation classes first. Really? Now some may see this as acceptable, I don't.

[tinker683]

It's because we're a bunch of negative nancies, really.

 

/true story

[pie2]

You know, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses make it a point to know Scripture. I heard it was to make a good debate concerning conversion to their faiths.

 

I think this is so true.

 

Over all of my years going to church, I've never been given a sermon, message or bible study on how to debate with others, or which specific verses should be used to convert others. My church just goes through the bible, studying the story and message of Jesus. It's simple...no ulterior motives.

 

But I do think that other religions are specifically taught how to argue and defend their faith. They know exactly which points to make that will defend their views. Unfortunately, they don't ever seem to read past those specific verses, and get to the heart of the message (about Jesus' love) .

[thatone]

Please cite me the biblical verses which tell us to committ genocide, have slaves, and hate people.

 

If you cite the genocide of Canaan, be aware that God destroyed them because they were offspring of fallen angels. (This was the same reason for the flood, contrary to what you've been taught.) If you bring up the verses about slavery, be aware that God required slaves to be freed after seven years (if a person chose to have them).

 

The atrocities you have in your mind were done by people who were not following Scripture, but rather their own worldly power trips under the guise of Christianity. But real Christianity based on Scripture could not be father from the truth.

 

This brings us back to the idea of my OP: there is a disconnect between the text of Scripture and what is actually taught in many churches, seminaries, and society at large.

 

1 Samuel 15

 

15:1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.

 

15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

 

15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

 

 

See my previous point about Christians who don't even read their own bible.

 

That's you...

 

Real Christianity like the roman church that tortured and burned those they disagreed with? Real Christianity like the Puritans in Boston who executed Quakers? Real Christianity like the conquistadors who executed millions of native South Americans that refused to convert? Real Christians like the modern bigots who want to deny homosexuals the same rights they enjoy?

 

Your religion is entirely and completely worthless.

[pie2]

Jesus picked corn on the sabbath. That was (is) a sin.

 

The bible is so complex; I always find it helpful to read each verse in the context in which it was written.

 

Mark 2

 

Question of the Sabbath

 

And it happened that He was passing through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples began to make their way along while picking the heads of grain. The Pharisees were saying to Him, "Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?" And He said to them, "Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions became hungry; how he entered the house of God in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the consecrated bread, which is not lawful for anyone to eat except the priests, and he also gave it to those who were with him?" Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for mane, and not man for the Sabbath. "So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath".

 

I encourage anyone who is interested to read a commentary on what this passage means (in its historical and spiritual context). See especially commentary on verses 24 and 25.

[M30USA]

For someone who claims to be up to date on biblical content, I'd think you could find them rather easily, especially the slavery parts...it even gives instructions!

 

Yes, it gives instructions...such as to release them after 7 years.

[thatone]

Yes, it gives instructions...such as to release them after 7 years.

 

Which makes it ok in your eyes?

[M30USA]

Which makes it ok in your eyes?

 

God never condoned slavery. He just had requirements for those who did have them--such as to release the slaves after 7 years.

 

The same thing applies to polygamy. Just because certain big names in the Bible had multiple wives, that doesn't mean God approved it.

 

God allows many things. The biggest example, of course, is that he's allowed Satan to have authority over earth for thousands of years. But, just like the slave who was ordered to be released from bondage after several years, so will the earth be released from bondage after the appointed time.

Edited May 26, 2013 by M30USA

[pureinheart]

I didn't write the book, nor do I have to justify it. But, as usual, the bible has its own built in infallibility "The sabbath was made for man!"

 

Give. Me. A. Break. It asks questions, answers them, then has a built in infallible defence for every position raised against it.

 

Again, he sinned, in accordance with your holy book, so M30's obtuse assertion that he lived a sinless life is proven incorrect.

 

Hey ED,

 

I can't answer you based on the fact that all of my answers are from the Word. You've communicated that you believe the Word to be fallible.

 

First one would have to believe that Jesus is God, or willing to explore the possibility. I'm thinking you have your own belief system that works for you- sorry, I can't remember if you're Atheist or not, if so "a belief system" would not apply.

 

I'm not trying to evade your comment, as I looked for a secular explanation and there is none.

 

LOL, the Sabbath was for man, if you're God, why would you need to rest? It just makes sense to me:D

[pureinheart]

God never condoned slavery. He just had requirements for those who did have them--such as to release the slaves after 7 years.

 

The same thing applies to polygamy. Just because certain big names in the Bible had multiple wives, that doesn't mean God approved it.

 

God allows many things. The biggest example, of course, is that he's allowed Satan to have authority over earth for thousands of years. But, just like the slave who was ordered to be released from bondage after several years, so will the earth be released from bondage after the appointed time.

 

...and there's good reason for that. No matter the gender, imagine having 300 huspands/wives. NO THANK YOU:lmao::lmao: