Keenly Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 If you truly had the relationship with god that you claim, you wouldn't feel the need to boost your self esteem by shoving it in every ones faces daily. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) If you truly had the relationship with god that you claim, you wouldn't feel the need to boost your self esteem by shoving it in every ones faces daily. Again, you can perceive me how you want. I won't stop promoting Scripture. You don't have to read my posts on this thread. But you won't silence me. Many Christians who value the opinion and respect of non-believers more than the truth have become castrated. Not gonna happen. Edited May 29, 2013 by M30USA Link to post Share on other sites
CarrieT Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I won't stop promoting Scripture. You don't see that you aren't promoting scripture - but are promoting yourself. We all see that... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 You don't see that you aren't promoting scripture - but are promoting yourself. We all see that... Forget about me. What say you about Scripture? You can flag me as the scapegoat and say I'm just one of those bigoted Christians. You can even use me as an example of "all that's wrong with religion". But again I say: forget about me. What say you about Scripture? I won't be your judge. The Word of God (the sharp double edged sword) will be. Link to post Share on other sites
CarrieT Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 What say you about Scripture? I say it is just another book - but you know that about me. This thread is about YOU. Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) I say it is just another book - but you know that about me. And what about Jesus Christ? "But what about you?" he [Jesus] asked. "Who do you say I am?" (Mark 8:29) Carrie, can you declare on this forum who exactly you believe Jesus to be? Edited May 29, 2013 by M30USA Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 And what about Jesus Christ? "But what about you?" he [Jesus] asked. "Who do you say I am?" (Mark 8:29) Carrie, can you declare on this forum who exactly you believe Jesus to be? I think Jesus was who He claimed to be. I also think Paul was full of sh*t at least half the time. Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 I think Jesus was who He claimed to be. I also think Paul was full of sh*t at least half the time. And who, in your opinion, did Jesus claim to be. Please use Scripture references. Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 And who, in your opinion, did Jesus claim to be. Please use Scripture references. I have a meeting to go to, and wasn't going to respond, but what the hell: The son of God Mark 14:60-62, Matt. 26: 63-65, Luke 22:67-70 Is this some kind of test? Did I pass? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
CarrieT Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Carrie, can you declare on this forum who exactly you believe Jesus to be? Of course. I have before. To me Jesus is just another guy who had a great PR firm. Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 I have a meeting to go to, and wasn't going to respond, but what the hell: The son of God Mark 14:60-62, Matt. 26: 63-65, Luke 22:67-70 Is this some kind of test? Did I pass? Nice man! Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, [GorillaTheatre], for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven." Matthew 16:17 NIV) Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Nice man! Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, [GorillaTheatre], for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven." Matthew 16:17 NIV) And that's great. But I still don't fit well into the Christian scene, and I still think Paul was a well-meaning fraud. Luke too, for that matter. Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 Of course. I have before. To me Jesus is just another guy who had a great PR firm. CarrieT, you claim to use demonic powers, correct? If so, then you should recognize exactly who Jesus is. The possessed man named Legion (in the cave) saw Jesus, immediately knew EXACTLY who he was, and shouted, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? In God’s name don’t torture me!” (Mark 5:7 NIV) Even the disciples (minus one) didn't know who Christ was until after he was resurrected. Yet the demon possessed man did. Therefore, if you claim to use the powers of demons, you should know also who Jesus is. Link to post Share on other sites
CarrieT Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 CarrieT, you claim to use demonic powers, correct? If so, then you should recognize exactly who Jesus is. Even the disciples (minus one) didn't know who Christ was until after he was resurrected. Yet the demon possessed man did. Therefore, if you claim to use the powers of demons, you should know also who Jesus is. Ever consider the idea that if you believe I have demonic powers and "should know who Jesus is," that I am right???? :laugh::laugh: That's it - I'm outta here.... Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 And that's great. But I still don't fit well into the Christian scene, and I still think Paul was a well-meaning fraud. Luke too, for that matter. Me too! Except I don't think Paul was a fraud. Remember he got knocked on his ass by the blinding light of Jesus and actually spoke with him and received direction. Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Me too! Except I don't think Paul was a fraud. Remember he got knocked on his ass by the blinding light of Jesus and actually spoke with him and received direction. According to Paul, anyways. Half or more of the NT was written by a guy who never met Jesus, at least physically. Matthew and John seem like better bets. Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 According to Paul, anyways. Half or more of the NT was written by a guy who never met Jesus, at least physically. Matthew and John seem like better bets. I would say Paul physically and audibly met Jesus in the sky with the blinding light. But then again, I'm just a crackpot, fringe-type, UFO-believing person. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I'm still waiting for your explanation of why one doesn't have take the bible literally about flying flaming chariots equalling UFO's, and Jesus "teleporting," but does with regards to other aspects of that book? I mean, where you personally agree words need to be taken literally? You certainly feel free enough to conjecture and extrapolate and add interpretation when it suits you. And then repeatedly get on your soap box loudly proclaiming yourself as the one key person on LoveShack who understands and accepts every word (translated, several different ways, too) in the bible completely literally. Poor credibility regarding your subject matter. And good credibility would be key for a respected "teacher" of any subject. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I would say Paul physically and audibly met Jesus in the sky with the blinding light. But then again, I'm just a crackpot, fringe-type, UFO-believing person. You mean, like, Jesus came down in a UFO and teleported Paul aboard? I like it! Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 You mean, like, Jesus came down in a UFO and teleported Paul aboard? I like it! Hmm...maybe more like Senator Dennis Kucinic when he admitted during the 2008 presidential candidate debate (on MSNBC) that he saw a UFO over a house he stayed at, that he was deeply affected by it, and that he heard "instructions" in his mind. Yea, more like that. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Hm. The Senator's close encounter was also mentioned in Shirley Maclaine's recent book, since it occurred near her home. Shirley has a lot of experience with the paranormal, and her home happens to be in the JZ Knight compound in Washington. You know, the followers of the Words of Ramtha? I wonder if he's a follower as well? Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) Hm. The Senator's close encounter was also mentioned in Shirley Maclaine's recent book, since it occurred near her home. Shirley has a lot of experience with the paranormal, and her home happens to be in the JZ Knight compound in Washington. You know, the followers of the Words of Ramtha? I wonder if he's a follower as well? Who knows? I'm merely using his example to show there ARE people in the "higher ups" who have witnessed and believe this stuff. I won't make a judgement as to whether his case was good or evil, but it seems to have been legitimate. Here's the debate clip of Kucinic. You can see him use a pre-rehearsed joke as if he knew the UFO question was coming: http://youtu.be/3QWii-o-z1w Additionally, in 2008, three of the four final democratic candidates all can be proven to have a connection or personal interest to the UFO subject. It's proveable. Yet, whenever they are asked about it, here is the response you always get: laughter and joking. The greatest example is Governer Bill Richardson. It's a fact that he has not only sought out information regarding UFOs, but was involved in an endeavor to excavate the soil at Roswell NM near the alleged crash in 1947. When he was asked about this by Chris Matthews, the governors face got so uncomfortable that he started pursing his lips and you could almost see sweat on his face. Finally he cracked a joke about it--like they always do. Humor is the only way they can successfully evade these questions. Here's the interview of Richardson: Edited May 30, 2013 by M30USA Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Who knows? I'm merely using his example to show there ARE people in the "higher ups" who have witnessed and believe this stuff. I won't make a judgement as to whether his case was good or evil, but it seems to have been legitimate. Maybe you're the only one who thinks that a political figure's account of UFO experiences are more valid than anyone else's … Whatever. I have zero interest or investment in discussing my personal views on UFOs here. How is this even pertinent? I only brought up UFOs because your "interpretation" of the firey chariots as being angelic UFOs is a great example of a person NOT taking every word in the bible literally. A person who claims at great length that they do. And that they are RIGHT. You haven't even addressed this; now you're just carrying on about how lots of politicians have had close encounters with UFOs. ??? Anyway, you're off the hook with me. I'm not even interested in hearing how you would justify not taking the paranormal chariots literally, or attributing "teleporting" to Jesus though there is no mention of teleporting in the Bible - in ANY translation. It's a big contradiction and detracts from your credibility on these topics by about 100%. Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 Maybe you're the only one who thinks that a political figure's account of UFO experiences are more valid than anyone else's … Whatever. I have zero interest or investment in discussing my personal views on UFOs here. How is this even pertinent? I only brought up UFOs because your "interpretation" of the firey chariots as being angelic UFOs is a great example of a person NOT taking every word in the bible literally. A person who claims at great length that they do. And that they are RIGHT. You haven't even addressed this; now you're just carrying on about how lots of politicians have had close encounters with UFOs. ??? Anyway, you're off the hook with me. I'm not even interested in hearing how you would justify not taking the paranormal chariots literally, or attributing "teleporting" to Jesus though there is no mention of teleporting in the Bible - in ANY translation. It's a big contradiction and detracts from your credibility on these topics by about 100%. When I take a "literal" approach to the Bible, it means literal in concept and function. It doesn't necessarily mean literal in word usage. Why? Because words and language are dynamic and changing--whereas the literal thing the words are describing are not. The ancient writers had no words for a vehicle which seemed to fly through the air in the presence of flames. So they chose the words which were closest to them: fiery chariot. Again, a "literal" interpretation refers to the object/point being discussed, not the words used. To show that this isn't my own weasel idea, it was even promoted by the great CS Lewis. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 When I take a "literal" approach to the Bible, it means literal in concept and function. It doesn't necessarily mean literal in word usage. Why? Because words and language are dynamic and changing--whereas the literal thing the words are describing are not. The ancient writers had no words for a vehicle which seemed to fly through the air in the presence of flames. So they chose the words which were closest to them: fiery chariot. I see. Then since the words for "big bang theory" were not yet in common usage at the time that the bible was written or translated does this mean that perhaps biblical creation actually refers to it? Again, a "literal" interpretation refers to the object/point being discussed, not the words used. Like the object of both "big bang theory" and creationism is the birth of our world. I get it. To show that this isn't my own weasel idea, it was even promoted by the great CS Lewis I don't think your ideas are weasely. I take issue with your freedom to do what you sanction in others: Interpret things in the bible in ways that appeal to you. Also your nomination of yourself as the arbiter of all things Christian / biblical. It's interesting that you think C.S. Lewis is great - I've encountered many articles written by conservative "Christian" fundies who claim that he was of Satan and surely is in hell as I type this. He felt a great deal of connection with Catholicism … I like reading his work myself. I think he expresses spiritual concepts brilliantly. Not dogmatically. Link to post Share on other sites
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