Where can I find women who care less about looks?

[JuneJulySeptember]

Race greatly influences looks...

 

Agreed.

 

But that point is tangential to what I am seeking.

[Eternal Sunshine]

Find someone that has as few options as you.

[HoneyBadgerDontCare]

OK. That's not what I mean though. Say a woman finds fat, short, bald men attractive. I'm looking for a woman who is willing to easily look past the fact that a man is not those things.

 

No women will find short men attractive.

 

If you are short, you will always find yourself in an uphill battle and will have to redeem yourself with other things (looks, personality, being enough of an a-hole).

 

If you're just ugly, you shouldn't have too much of a problem.

[charlietheginger]

Tailand , cambodia , dominica republic

 

Lots of guys that sit at a computer and are not nice to

Look at have this problem.. They are introverts their

Bodys look as if they dont see the light of day much and social

Skills lack.....

 

But that's just who they are

 

Save your money buy a house car and in 5 10yrs

After you have money saved up spend $5000

Fly to another country meet a women pay the

legal fees and bring her over....

 

It happens ALL THE TIME....

[JuneJulySeptember]

Find someone that has as few options as you.

 

In my experience, I'm probably more likely to get a yes from 1) a woman who doesn't care that much about looks than 2) a woman who does but is just settling because she has no 'options'. There's a good chance I won't meet #2's standards anyway.

 

So, what are you trying to drive me back to the theory that all women just care about looks and status and will settle for nothing less than the best they can get?

[Eternal Sunshine]

In my experience, I'm probably more likely to get a yes from 1) a woman who doesn't care that much about looks than 2) a woman who does but is just settling because she has no 'options'. There's a good chance I won't meet #2's standards anyway.

 

So, what are you trying to drive me back to the theory that all women just care about looks and status and will settle for nothing less than the best they can get?

 

My situation is pretty grim ATM. I may decide to settle one day. There are many women like that around, they are probably your best bet. They say all passion fades into friendship anyway, might as well do without the passion

 

It's not about looks but if all your life you had pretty much no options, your net market dating value is low...could be due to a mix of social awkwardness and other factors.

[USMCHokie]

So, what are you trying to drive me back to the theory that all women just care about looks and status and will settle for nothing less than the best they can get?

 

Applicable to men as well.

[USMCHokie]

OP, I may start another thread which I've been meaning to start for a few weeks now in regard to gender-dominated environments, and it may contain the answer you are looking for. Or we can keep it contained in your thread.

 

What I mean by gender-dominated environments are those which are primarily composed of one gender with a small minority of the other gender. I live and work in a blatantly male-dominated environment, where women are few and far between; and with that, their stock tends to be overinflated simply due to their low numbers. Looks often fly out the window, and all that really matters is that they are women. They are never short on attention.

 

I always wondered whether there female-dominated environments where being one of the few men would inflate your stock with them, perhaps to the point where they don't consider looks as much, if at all.

 

Just something to think about.

Edited June 10, 2013 by USMCHokie

[Eternal Sunshine]

OP, I may start another thread which I've been meaning to start for a few weeks now in regard to gender-dominated environments, and it may contain the answer you are looking for. Or we can keep it contained in your thread.

 

What I mean by gender-dominated environments are those which are primarily composed of one gender with a small minority of the other gender. I live and work in a blatantly male-dominated environment, where women are few and far between; and with that, their stock tends to be overinflated simply due to their low numbers. Looks often fly out the window, and all that really matters is that they are women.

 

I always wondered whether there female-dominated environments where being one of the few men would inflate your stock with them, perhaps to the point where they don't consider looks as much, if at all.

 

Just something to think about.

 

I completely agree. I work with 80-90% women. Lots of them are single. They are all desperate for a boyfriend. Few men that are there are taken. One became single recently, barely average looking and there are like 3 single women ALL OVER him. It made me want to cry at my fate.

[JuneJulySeptember]

Applicable to men as well.

 

Absolutely.

 

My situation is pretty grim ATM. I may decide to settle one day. There are many women like that around, they are probably your best bet. They say all passion fades into friendship anyway, might as well do without the passion

 

It's not about looks but if all your life you had pretty much no options, your net market dating value is low...could be due to a mix of social awkwardness and other factors.

 

Oh I agree with you. My value has always been low. I have education, but unfortunately don't make a lot of $. Not bad though. Middle class.

 

The only thing I can really think of to increase my status/value is to get a doctorate. It would increase my educational status, but not my income class status. So, I'm not really sure if it's worth it. I can't think of one other significant thing I can improve.

 

Good luck with your search as well.

[todreaminblue]

what i do find unattractive in men is the thought they are wanting to date me because i am less attractive than the woman they really want to date....so they consider me a second option.......it rocks my grace and dignity if i were to ever find that out(especially if i thought they were wonderful) or what i would instinctually know that they think i am an easy target...or they think i am easy......i am not easy....far from it

 

 

 

i think it is not a nice mindset for a true man to have....a true man would take a risk and go for the one he was truly attracted to...and not settle

 

in saying that ....i dont go for looks straight up....i want to flesh out a guys heart...i have dated guys who show particular traits......kindness towards kids......selfless....a bit shy.......soft voices..but an inner strength.....guys who stand up for what they believe in ....woudl stand beside me and i woudl stand beside them..........when i have deviated from what i trult believe....it hasnt worked......most fo the guys i date volunteer time is some way to others less fortunate......i am altruistic.....so i would say yes meet someone in pursuits, beliefs, you are passionate about

 

beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.....and i have found guys i havent been physically attracted to initially, has developed into a keen attraction with friendship and getting to know them...i dont think you should just join or volunteer to rope in a date......be passionate and believe in what you do volunteer to do......or it is a fake persona .....women who do volunteer will notice this and will recognize that you dont really love doing it.........deb

Edited June 10, 2013 by todreaminblue

[MrRightNow]

Hard to answer this question without generalizing. Try going after nerdy girls, they're usually shy and not used to getting attention from guys. You might have better luck with religious girls as well, they seem to care more about your character and "morals" than the average girl. Politically-involved girls also tend to be less picky when it comes to looks. Just go to events frequented by these types of women and see what happens.

[Eternal Sunshine]

OP,

 

What is the bare minimum you are looking for in a woman?

[drr6]

Simple supply and demand definitely make a difference.

 

 

...female-dominated environments where being one of the few men would inflate your stock with them, perhaps to the point where they don't consider looks as much, if at all.

 

The military, engineering fields, and small blue-collar towns are dude central.

 

Universities, larger cities, the fashion and art worlds are full of gals.

 

Straight men are probably 5% of the student population at the Fashion Institute of Technology in downtown NYC. Of course the gals there do care about aesthetics, but ....

Haha.

Edited June 10, 2013 by drr6

[Eternal Sunshine]

Simple supply and demand definitely make a difference.

 

 

 

The military, engineering fields, and small blue-collar towns are dude central.

 

Universities, larger cities, the fashion and art worlds are full of gals.

 

Straight men are probably 5% of the student population at the Fashion Institute of Technology in downtown NYC.

 

If you are the rarer sex in a contained area, you are going to do very well.

[USMCHokie]

What is the bare minimum you are looking for in a woman?

 

Simple supply and demand definitely make a difference.

 

I honestly don't think OP has to worry about bare minimums if he focuses on where he is looking, which is the question he's asking. Where. And I think that begins with those female-dominated environments, where as stated above, he is advantaged in the supply and demand ratios. If he can identify these environments which are already in his wheelhouse, he can concentrate specifically on those places.

[JuneJulySeptember]

OP,

 

What is the bare minimum you are looking for in a woman?

 

I've actually never really quantified it. It used to be she had to at least have a bachelors, but I've relaxed on that. Just someone cool with preferably not a crapload of financial problems and children.

[Eternal Sunshine]

I've actually never really quantified it. It used to be she had to at least have a bachelors, but I've relaxed on that. Just someone cool with preferably not a crapload of financial problems and children.

 

What about looks and weight?

[Mr_Flay]

If you are the rarer sex in a contained area, you are going to do very well.

 

Then it has got to be really contained. Like a high-security prison or something. 'Cause all those people have a life outside their work or university; they aren't going to be desperately seeking a significant other in those places when they can, say, go to a club on weekends. I should know, I studied languages and social sciences, where the percentage of girls is about 90% in the former study programmes and 70% in the latter. I haven't noticed anyone fighting over anyone.

[Eternal Sunshine]

Then it has got to be really contained. Like a high-security prison or something. 'Cause all those people have a life outside their work or university; they aren't going to be desperately seeking a significant other in those places when they can, say, go to a club on weekends. I should know, I studied languages and social sciences, where the percentage of girls is about 90% in the former study programmes and 70% in the latter. I haven't noticed anyone fighting over anyone.

 

Over certain age, clubs and bars are not places to find bfs/gfs. Last time I went to a bar, I only met 18-22 yos.

 

Let me put it this way: I go to work (no single guys there), I commute home (only guys that approached me on trains were on drugs and/or wanted money), I socialize with a known group of married/LTR/gay guy friends. We go to each other's houses and there are never any single guys there. So what am I supposed to do???

 

Enroll into courses that don't interest me just to meet men? Sit around in cafes on my own hoping that men will approach me? Really?

 

Now imagine if I worked in a building with mostly men, a decent number single and near my age. My chances would improve dramatically.

[USMCHokie]

Then it has got to be really contained. Like a high-security prison or something. 'Cause all those people have a life outside their work or university; they aren't going to be desperately seeking a significant other in those places when they can, say, go to a club on weekends. I should know, I studied languages and social sciences, where the percentage of girls is about 90% in the former study programmes and 70% in the latter. I haven't noticed anyone fighting over anyone.

 

Perhaps there's no one worth fighting over in those particular places...?

 

I don't know if the idea extends to female-dominated environments, which is why I raise the question. It certainly applies in male-dominated environments though.

[Eternal Sunshine]

Perhaps there's no one worth fighting over in those particular places...?

 

I don't know if the idea extends to female-dominated environments, which is why I raise the question. It certainly applies in male-dominated environments though.

 

It certainly does extend. Females can be just as aggressive. I actually watched this girl or woman get her phone out and asked the newly single guy his phone number within 10 mins of conversation at after work drinks. This guy is not attractive. There were other 2 circling him and trying to engage in conversation the whole night.

[drr6]

Of course, a university on its own isolated campus will be somewhat different than a university smack dab in the center of a large city.

 

Even so, all liberal arts universities provide the most favorable environment that most men will ever experience in their lives. Not just in numbers, but quality, openness, lack of baggage, and a comical lack of expectations from you as a man.

 

Take my advice brother and make good use of your opportunities. In ten years, you will think wistfully about how awesome you had it as a dude in the humanities.

 

Then it has got to be really contained. Like a high-security prison or something. 'Cause all those people have a life outside their work or university; they aren't going to be desperately seeking a significant other in those places when they can, say, go to a club on weekends. I should know, I studied languages and social sciences, where the percentage of girls is about 90% in the former study programmes and 70% in the latter. I haven't noticed anyone fighting over anyone.

Edited June 10, 2013 by drr6

[Mr_Flay]

Take my advice brother and make good use of your opportunities. In ten years, you will think wistfully about how awesome you had it as a dude in the humanities.

 

Too late, I graduated five years ago. I did have an inordinate number of female friends back then, just no mutual chemistry with either of them. Only four who found me attractive, out of which one long-term relationship just before graduation.

 

But, to answer Eternal Sunshine, you gotta be proactive. Not sit around in bars and wait for men to approach you. That doesn't create a fun mental picture in my mind. Enrolling in boring courses isn't the answer, but perhaps there are things you might want to try and find the time for. For example, I was never much into martial arts, but now that I've tried Aikido, I'm in love with it.

[Eternal Sunshine]

But, to answer Eternal Sunshine, you gotta be proactive. Not sit around in bars and wait for men to approach you. That doesn't create a fun mental picture in my mind. Enrolling in boring courses isn't the answer, but perhaps there are things you might want to try and find the time for. For example, I was never much into martial arts, but now that I've tried Aikido, I'm in love with it.

 

Yeah, doing something sporty appeals to me.