Weak men don't breed.....

[skydiveaddict]

Unfortunately many times His plan is to knock you flat on your back and see if you can ever recover.

mmmmmmh..... you just sound unchristian...are serious about that?

 

I'm certainly not unchristian. But I'm not a very good one either to be sure. But when I look around, perhaps in a children's cancer hospital, and I see babies dying horrible cruel deaths, how does God "Have their backs?" Or the millions dying of starvation and horrible pestilence? Or the atrocities I saw in Iraq and Afghanistan? I saw that first hand. Where does God have their backs?

[The Introvert]

The bible, or your pastor, do not have the knowledge and wisdom on how to attract the women you want.

 

Eddie, point taken here, the bible does not talk about dating at all.

 

But many women live by emotions, not biblical rules.

 

There is my point! If I stick to biblical rules I am non-existant on the dating scene.

 

If there are guys in your group that are attracting these women you like, its emotionally, they make the women feel things that the like, and you have to figure out what that is. Bible wont tell you that.

 

Actually, in church settings it's rare (where I live) find love.People marry outside the church, few people date church mates.

[William]

Let's remain adherent to the topic surrounding weak men not breeding. There are plenty of other threads available, for free, to discuss and debate other aspects of religion and faith. Thanks.

[Eddie Edirol]

Actually, in church settings it's rare (where I live) find love.People marry outside the church, few people date church mates.

 

Oof, thats even worse...well theres the christian mingle dating site, youcould try that?

[Eve]

The bible, or your pastor, do not have the knowledge and wisdom on how to attract the women you want.

 

Eddie, point taken here, the bible does not talk about dating at all.

 

But many women live by emotions, not biblical rules.

 

There is my point! If I stick to biblical rules I am non-existant on the dating scene.

 

If there are guys in your group that are attracting these women you like, its emotionally, they make the women feel things that the like, and you have to figure out what that is. Bible wont tell you that.

 

Actually, in church settings it's rare (where I live) find love.People marry outside the church, few people date church mates.

 

The Church I belong to seems to have an exclusive dating pool, lol... especially for the young people! That can work against some too. IDK, personally I think it is about pursuing ones destiny and finding your partner whereever they may be - although I am off the mind that for some there are many potential partners.

 

All in all, I have concluded that the human experience of dating can have similar traits for non christians and christians alike.. to a certain point. It is how much you let God into your relationship which is the differentiation of importance. Some will use their faith to support their partner and don't mind not getting that back if they marry outside of the faith. It is up to the individual. Also the person who has faith may not really have any faith and just be an idiot. Seen that too. H'mmm.. I have been in a couple of relationships of this sort with those who claimed to be Christians and who actually weren't too clued up on love. Hence my turning to God for my H and asking Him for His love.

 

We are testimonies of love or the absence of love. Make your journey count. For me there is something powerfully beautiful about entering into a vow and keeping it. Be sure this is what you can really do. Do not enter that path if you are unsure or feel that you have to in order to be a Christian.

 

Keep it real and you will find your way.

 

Take care,

Eve x

[Eve]

Unfortunately many times His plan is to knock you flat on your back and see if you can ever recover.

 

I understand this, to a point. My life has been beyond hard, with much unfairness... but there is something about righteousness that has helped me up each time. But there is a part of me which is dead though. I know this and kind of accept it now. Some hurts cannot be healed fully until God comes back and rocks some ****.

 

That is how I deal with things anyway. Chin up and do a full work.. and all that. God Has helped me so much but I can't tell you the rest because you would not believe me. It is the same for many others. In many respects I and many others have carried your pain, lead entirely by the one sent to lead us from God.

 

.. Sorry for whatever pain you have suffered. Seriously.

 

Take care,

Eve x

[M30USA]

Some hurts cannot be healed fully until God comes back and rocks some ****.

 

Oh, he will definitely rock some ****. Revelation says Jesus will trample down wickedness like grapes in a wine press. Ouch.

 

I think most people underestimate God's wrath for unrepentance. We also tend to underestimate his mercy for the contrite. We wind up perceiving him in some middle ground area--neither too mean or too nice. But the truth is he is both. His wrath is VERY SCARY, yet his mercy endures FOREVER and forgives everything.

[TheFinalWord]

Got a question for you love:) not trying to put you on the spot, just curious, does certain wording indicate certain things?

 

If so, I'm in BIG trouble!

 

Is it the slang? If so, I'm n really big trouble!

 

haha you're okay! It depends on the context. I was mainly gauging OP's maturity and he seems like a good guy.

 

Here in Eph. Paul gives us directions for Christian living.

 

Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need. Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

 

Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.

 

This is the groundwork (there is more in this chapter, this is just the later part of the chapter)

 

What qualities do we see? Many, but here are some of the primary ones that I see:

 

1) Hard working/provider (a lazy man is inexcusable)

2) Compassionate heart (husband is to be self-sacrificial, as Christ was for his bride the church, i.e. servant leader)

3) Not focused on self (marriage means that we submit to one another)

4) Able to control mouth

5) Not a drunkard

6) Self-reflection and able to receive correction

 

(Let me know what others you find! )

 

Basically, spiritual maturity, which will allow a husband and wife the capacity to submit to one another, which is described later in chapter 5. This is why I think men need to become spiritually mature before seeking a wife. If we pray and ask for one, we should not be surprised if God molds us. A lot of times as believers, we want God to give us things, but do not want to receive the training required to walk in our request.

 

Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— for we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

 

As far as being a teacher, I'm not sure if it's a blessing or not lol but this coincides with how we use our mouth (James 1):

 

And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell.

Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. For we all stumble in many ways. And if anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle his whole body. If we put bits into the mouths of horses so that they obey us, we guide their whole bodies as well. Look at the ships also: though they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are guided by a very small rudder wherever the will of the pilot directs. So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire!

 

I think desiring the spiritual maturity of an overseer is a good spiritual goal for single men that want marriage:

 

The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

 

Hope it helps PIH

 

A lot of these characteristics, such as taming the tongue, are NOT easy and require constant work. But if we are asking for a spouse, we should ask God to mold us into spiritually mature men and woman.

 

Bless you!

Edited June 13, 2013 by TheFinalWord

[pureinheart]

 

There is my point! If I stick to biblical rules I am non-existant on the dating scene.

 

 

It does limit, BUT it can weed out the non keepers too, meaning non keepers for you.

 

Looking at this from the female perspective, there is not one guy out there that didn't respect the Biblical principles that I did manage to stand by- in fact, it was quite welcomed.

 

Now am taking it all of the way, because even though some principles were kept, it wasn't enough and still got me into a lot of trouble emotionally, because even a little compromise can ruin a relationship.

 

I would venture to say that most women would respect you rather than seeing your strengths as "weaknesses"...and the ones that don't will roll, WHICH is better for you.

[pureinheart]

haha you're okay! It depends on the context. I was mainly gauging OP's maturity and he seems like a good guy.

 

Here in Eph. Paul gives us directions for Christian living.

 

Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need. Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

 

Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.

 

This is the groundwork (there is more in this chapter, this is just the later part of the chapter)

 

What qualities do we see? Many, but here are some of the primary ones that I see:

 

1) Hard working/provider (a lazy man is inexcusable)

2) Compassionate heart (husband is to be self-sacrificial, as Christ was for his bride the church, i.e. servant leader)

3) Not focused on self (marriage means that we submit to one another)

4) Able to control mouth

5) Not a drunkard

6) Self-reflection and able to receive correction

 

(Let me know what others you find! )

 

Basically, spiritual maturity, which will allow a husband and wife the capacity to submit to one another, which is described later in chapter 5. This is why I think men need to become spiritually mature before seeking a wife. If we pray and ask for one, we should not be surprised if God molds us. A lot of times as believers, we want God to give us things, but do not want to receive the training required to walk in our request.

 

Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— for we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

 

As far as being a teacher, I'm not sure if it's a blessing or not lol but this coincides with how we use our mouth (James 1):

 

And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell.

 

Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. For we all stumble in many ways. And if anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle his whole body. If we put bits into the mouths of horses so that they obey us, we guide their whole bodies as well. Look at the ships also: though they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are guided by a very small rudder wherever the will of the pilot directs. So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire!

 

I think desiring the spiritual maturity of an overseer is a good spiritual goal for single men that want marriage:

 

The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

 

Hope it helps PIH

 

A lot of these characteristics, such as taming the tongue, are NOT easy and require constant work. But if we are asking for a spouse, we should ask God to mold us into spiritually mature men and woman.

 

Bless you!

 

Cool. OP, can you make your list of things that need to be brought to the throne? Here's mine from the female perspective-

 

Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.

There will be a rant shortly concerning an ex:eek:

 

4) Able to control mouth

 

Don't think I need to give examples- they're all over LS:o

 

 

Thank you so much TFW, and totally cracked up thinking of when my Godmother and me were praying for a mate back in 2000. We prayed for a mate for several months- nothing. So we decided to change the prayer, as the prayer was focused towards God "preparing" the men He had for us..we asked God to change us. We went through hell. Discouraged we complained to God, asking Him what's up? This went on and on trying get the "right" prayer...it was actually quite funny, and any Christian with a sense of humor would have gotten a good laugh as I'm sure God did, shaking His head.

 

Be careful of what you pray for, you might get it, but not in the way one expects.

 

My job should have taught me that if any process is bypassed, the entire job will be compromised- greatly.

 

We wanted to go from point A to point C, when point B was the catalyst joining all points together.

 

Us as humans tend to look at the "finished" product, forgetting all of the processes used to get to the finished product.

 

We see a happy couple and say, "I want that" (I am speaking of the "true" happy couple)...

 

We see a beautiful house, but it had to be built first and wasn't so "pretty" in the building process.

 

God Bless you too TFW!

[The Introvert]

well theres the christian mingle dating site, youcould try that?

Ya.

[The Introvert]

I would venture to say that most women would respect you rather than seeing your strengths as "weaknesses" ...and the ones that don't will roll, WHICH is better for you.

 

I am convinced that my christian values are my strengths.....and with them I am going to breed, thanks!

[pie2]

I am convinced that my christian values are my strengths.....and with them I am going to breed, thanks!

 

That's good. Glad you're going to breed with your Christian values. (That sounds kind of strange :D)

 

Hey just look at the men you are talking about, big people!I am just not 'holy than thou art' like them though I want to grow in spirit like them.See, I am a bit luke warm in faith, after all we all probably don't know how those guys dated.

 

I don't get a "holier than thou" feeling from the people mentioned. If you are lukewarm in your faith, you might be sensing their fiery passion, which could feel offensive if you're not on the same page.

 

I encourage you to consider that God wants us to be on fire, not lukewarm. I think it's beneficial to put our whole hearts and souls into searching for God's purpose in our lives, and not settle for a 'lukewarm' existence.

 

That is what is attractive about people like Tim Tebow, imo. Not his size.

[M30USA]

That's good. Glad you're going to breed with your Christian values. (That sounds kind of strange :D)

 

 

 

I don't get a "holier than thou" feeling from the people mentioned. If you are lukewarm in your faith, you might be sensing their fiery passion, which could feel offensive if you're not on the same page.

 

I encourage you to consider that God wants us to be on fire, not lukewarm. I think it's beneficial to put our whole hearts and souls into searching for God's purpose in our lives, and not settle for a 'lukewarm' existence.

 

That is what is attractive about people like Tim Tebow, imo. Not his size.

 

LOL, I couldn't help but laugh when you mentioned Tebow because on the radio today they commented that no third-string quarterback has EVER gotten as much press/attention as him. Some STARTING quarterbacks don't even get HALF as much attention.

 

What most impresses me about his story, in all seriousness, is that his parents admitted they considered having an abortion with him. Yet they decided against it. I guess Tebow is a big testament to the power of life. I think that's his main attraction.

[pie2]

LOL, I couldn't help but laugh when you mentioned Tebow because on the radio today they commented that no third-string quarterback has EVER gotten as much press/attention as him. Some STARTING quarterbacks don't even get HALF as much attention.

 

What most impresses me about his story, in all seriousness, is that his parents admitted they considered having an abortion with him. Yet they decided against it. I guess Tebow is a big testament to the power of life..

 

I love his story! Such a beautiful picture of the power of life, as you mentioned. I guess the doctors had recommended an abortion due to mom's illness? Just shows you that doctors don't always have the right answer. Of course, anyone who escapes such a precarious beginning would be valuable, no matter what their skills/talents.

 

I thought Tebow originally made headlines because of his instance to praise God when scoring, and sharing his faith all the time ?

[M30USA]

I love his story! Such a beautiful picture of the power of life, as you mentioned. I guess the doctors had recommended an abortion due to mom's illness? Just shows you that doctors don't always have the right answer. Of course, anyone who escapes such a precarious beginning would be valuable, no matter what their skills/talents.

 

I thought Tebow originally made headlines because of his instance to praise God when scoring, and sharing his faith all the time ?

 

Many athletes point to the sky and praise God when they score a touchdown/run/point. Many athletes even share their faith. Tebow I think gets extra press coverage for 2 reasons: women think he is handsome (this actually sells tickets/products), and he has a great feel good story about his almost-abortion.

[M30USA]

http://www.irreligion.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/t831M.jpg

 

Wow...if I'm interpreting that cartoon correctly, that's pretty powerful.

[The Introvert]

I encourage you to consider that God wants us to be on fire, not lukewarm.

Thanks for the encouragement.

 

I think it's beneficial to put our whole hearts and souls into searching for God's purpose in our lives, and not settle for a 'lukewarm' existence.

I am working on that.

 

That is what is attractive about people like Tim Tebow, imo. Not his size.

I am not talking of size but spiritual maturity.