hppr Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 How old are you? What gender are you? While this may be true in general, your advice does not apply to dating. Most women do not appreciate chivalry and are actually turned off by it. It goes hand-in-hand with being a nice guy, which is a no-no. Anybody that is young and has dated in the past few years know this. Depends on the woman. Frankly there are a lot of single women out there with rotten attitudes about men and Lord knows I've seen exactly what you are talking about. But there are women out there who still genuinely appreciate good men too. Thing is, the ones who appreciate good men, who aren't shallow, they don't stay on the single market very long. They get scooped up FAST. I think you'll agree with me on this one, when us guys find something of value they do their damnedest to grab it and not let go. So it's like any other high-demand market; you have to be on your toes, you have to watch the ads and when you see what you want you have to pounce on it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Eggplant Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I've lived in many different countries in Europe, South America, and Asia. The US is by far the worst.Did you note any difference between people of different socio-economic classes? Anecdotally, women from very poor backgrounds, in places where they have little power, place very high value on a man's status and wealth. It's their only chance. Interesting that the US is the worst... Link to post Share on other sites
whichwayisup Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I am looking for ways to improve my attraction level. I already have improved what I wear and my haircut. I also am building muscle and removing body fat. My comversation skills with women have improved, but no one seems interested. I also have greatly expanded my social circle by being in a fraternity and a couple of clubs. What else should I do to improve myself? Any advice, especially one that applies to a short guy? Don't just focus on how you look. Focus on the inside as well. Be confident, but not cocky. Be humble, be kind, be a gentleman (open doors, pull out chair for her, push chair back in), have humour and share light fun stories when meeting new women. Being too serious or intense can scare some women off. Ask questions, show interest in her life. Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Asthetics are so important. They are no guarantee of success but can go a long ways to forestall instant rejection. Hard to deny a lifetime of experience. It is what it is. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
HoneyBadgerDontCare Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Did you note any difference between people of different socio-economic classes? Anecdotally, women from very poor backgrounds, in places where they have little power, place very high value on a man's status and wealth. It's their only chance. Interesting that the US is the worst... Interestingly, I found middle class women to be the most down to earth, in general. Obviously, there are some exceptions. I generally found poor women to either be gold diggers or so lacking in common decency that they weren't very tolerable to be around. I found that upper class women are snooty and entitled (this is across the board everywhere I've been....and I find it's how most women act in the US). Again, these are all generalizations. Of course, there are good women in the US. They are just not the norm and most are taken at a very young age. I've found that American women play too many games and are VERY turned off when a guy expresses an ounce of sensitivity or insecurity (if you don't believe me, read some threads in the dating section here). Of course, this is also true of Canada. I've heard Australia is similar too. In many other countries though, they don't mind insecurity and actually LIKE sensitivity. Link to post Share on other sites
hppr Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Interestingly, I found middle class women to be the most down to earth, in general. Obviously, there are some exceptions. I generally found poor women to either be gold diggers or so lacking in common decency that they weren't very tolerable to be around. I found that upper class women are snooty and entitled (this is across the board everywhere I've been....and I find it's how most women act in the US). Again, these are all generalizations. Of course, there are good women in the US. They are just not the norm and most are taken at a very young age. I've found that American women play too many games and are VERY turned off when a guy expresses an ounce of sensitivity or insecurity (if you don't believe me, read some threads in the dating section here). Of course, this is also true of Canada. I've heard Australia is similar too. In many other countries though, they don't mind insecurity and actually LIKE sensitivity. I lived in a really poor town growing up and yeah, most were like that. Lots of girls just weren't raised right so having sex early, doing drugs with mom, mom and dad fighting, throwing a rock at someone you don't like, all of that was okay. It was normal. Link to post Share on other sites
Kofybean Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 ... PUA bands men together against a common enemy (women) while simultaneously separating them.... If you are trying to date women, then women are not your enemy. This is silly, you are not competing agaisnt women for other women, if anything men are your enemy. Link to post Share on other sites
Southern Cal Dude Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I'll start with PUA: If you notice, most of them are guys who had no success and were desperate. The stuff works short-term. Long-term, not so much. Those guys are so jaded and miserable deep down. Think Charlie Harper. As for being successful, any of the 3 will work. Looks, money, status. You don't even need a combo. I have looks. I'd post a pic to my profile if I could. Looking good works and how you act doesn't matter. Same with money and popularity. Link to post Share on other sites
ferpuerto17 Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 you need to be confident and smell clean. Leave the sports jerseys to other guys, you concentrate on looking like an adult Link to post Share on other sites
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