What do you think of this article?? "Trapping" men into pregnancy

[Thorne]

It's not on. Horrible thing to do though I can see the other side. And must admit I find myself laughing at 'players' who have this happen to them, in that case it's just called karma, mess with women's hearts some will come along to mess with your life/wallet ect. That said I personally would never do this to anyone, it's as bad as jerks who lie to get sex by saying they love you when they don't- that I would consider to be rape since they are taking taking something that would not have been given if you knew the whole truth. Also I would worry about the child here, doing this means the woman doesn't really want child, and may negect/harm/not love them.

[Keenly]

It's not on. Horrible thing to do though I can see the other side. And must admit I find myself laughing at 'players' who have this happen to them, in that case it's just called karma, mess with women's hearts some will come along to mess with your life/wallet ect. That said I personally would never do this to anyone, it's as bad as jerks who lie to get sex by saying they love you when they don't- that I would consider to be rape since they are taking taking something that would not have been given if you knew the whole truth. Also I would worry about the child here, doing this means the woman doesn't really want child, and may negect/harm/not love them.

 

 

Equating it to lying about loving a woman for sex?

 

 

Really? They are not even on the same playing field. One has 18 years of financial consequences and a LIFE involved, and the other one results in a broken heart. They are not equal.

[Thorne]

It's not on. Horrible thing to do though I can see the other side. And must admit I find myself laughing at 'players' who have this happen to them, in that case it's just called karma, mess with women's hearts some will come along to mess with your life/wallet ect. That said I personally would never do this to anyone, it's as bad as jerks who lie to get sex by saying they love you when they don't- that I would consider to be rape since they are taking taking something that would not have been given if you knew the whole truth. Also I would worry about the child here, doing this means the woman doesn't really want child, and may negect/harm/not love them. As for the arguement about child support I'm sorry but if your willing to have the sex/use the woman for your own needs then drop her then you can pay for the child, don't like it? Don't have sex men, especially if your using the woman which a good lot of you are-again karma, you like to use these kind of women who would do this and think it's ok to hurt them-they like to screw you back by trapping you- you are two sides of the same coin. Obviously I don't mean all men, just those who use women and if your picking the type who would do this it seems likely your into one night stands or using women cos why would the woman be so insecure anyway? Unless she's a nutter. Basically if ur picking skanks ur probably a male skank sorry if it's harsh but that's how I feel. My soon to be ex husband actually told me he wished I had done this to him- I was disgusted he would dare to want me to be a hoe like that who would treat him si badly. He also told me to stop taking the pill and have his child- the night before he left -_- He was the type who said those things but then I can gauruntee he would also be one of the ones on a site like this banging on about how men shouldn't have to pay child support if tricked if I was actually gross enough to have done it. There is more than meets the eye in every situation

Edited June 17, 2013 by Thorne
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[Thorne]

Equating it to lying about loving a woman for sex?

 

 

Really? They are not even on the same playing field. One has 18 years of financial consequences and a LIFE involved, and the other one results in a broken heart. They are not equal.

yeh they are exactly the same, its deception for your own selfish needs. In fact Id say lying to get sex is probably worse, since the person who gets tircked into having the kid WANTED to have sex. If u lie to get sex u might as well be raping the person physically-it's the same thing duh- instead of holding them down physically u manipulated a yes out of them, in other words they would have said no if u told them the truth= rape. and that burden is worse than any financial burden, unless u've experienced it, you should probably back out now cos you DON'T KNOW

Edited June 17, 2013 by Thorne
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[Thorne]

That is a pretty lame excuse to get what you want.

tricking someone is PLANNING a pregnancy. unplanned pregnancy, to which you are refering, is when it happens accidentally without either party knowing it will

[Eggplant]

If u lie to get sex u might as well be raping the person physically-it's the same thing duh-

While lying to get your way is wrong, it's not the same level as physically coercing somebody to get your way.

[Keenly]

yeh they are exactly the same, its deception for your own selfish needs. In fact Id say lying to get sex is probably worse, since the person who gets tircked into having the kid WANTED to have sex. If u lie to get sex u might as well be raping the person physically-it's the same thing duh- instead of holding them down physically u manipulated a yes out of them, in other words they would have said no if u told them the truth= rape. and that burden is worse than any financial burden, unless u've experienced it, you should probably back out now cos you DON'T KNOW

 

Lying does not = rape. Sorry. No matter how much you want it to be. Also, lying to get sex is NOT as bad as manipulating a pregnancy.

 

Unless you think that your feelings are more important than two lives / 18 years of child support ?

[Keenly]

tricking someone is PLANNING a pregnancy. unplanned pregnancy, to which you are refering, is when it happens accidentally without either party knowing it will

 

No. Its not planning a pregnancy. Its planning a trap, a lie, and for your own selfish purposes, using a life to manipulate a man .

 

 

Ladies, if you think so low of yourselves that you think that you need to trick a man to stay with you and have a family, then perhaps you should get some self esteem counseling.

[ImperfectionisBeauty]

No. Its not planning a pregnancy. Its planning a trap, a lie, and for your own selfish purposes, using a life to manipulate a man .

 

 

Ladies, if you think so low of yourselves that you think that you need to trick a man to stay with you and have a family, then perhaps you should get some self esteem counseling.

Doing that... not helping. Now what?? lol

 

Like I said I wouldn't do this but I can understand why someone would. I feel like when you look at a cute little healthy baby you can't even be mad

[Keenly]

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Doing that... not helping. Now what?? lol

 

Like I said I wouldn't do this but I can understand why someone would. I feel like when you look at a cute little healthy baby you can't even be mad

 

Absolutely ...YOU couldn't even be mad. But you are insisting other people have the same feelings you do, and actually you have flipped flopped several times saying you would do this and then you wouldn't do this, so I can only believe that you would consider it.

 

 

If you want a kid, go get a sperm donor IVF style. OR you can earn a mans desire to father your child. Do not trick him Into it. If he ever finds out you did it on purpose he will be outta there.

[ImperfectionisBeauty]

Absolutely ...YOU couldn't even be mad. But you are insisting other people have the same feelings you do, and actually you have flipped flopped several times saying you would do this and then you wouldn't do this, so I can only believe that you would consider it.

 

 

If you want a kid, go get a sperm donor IVF style. OR you can earn a mans desire to father your child. Do not trick him Into it. If he ever finds out you did it on purpose he will be outta there.

 

Earning someones desire to have a family with you takes SOOOOOO long.

[serial muse]

Earning someones desire to have a family with you takes SOOOOOO long.

 

Yes, because it's a lifelong commitment. It should take a long time.

[Keenly]

Earning someones desire to have a family with you takes SOOOOOO long.

 

And that's how it should be, because raising a kid takes SOOOOOOOOOOO longer.

 

 

 

 

Also, earlier in the thread, as a justification for this betrayal you said "but if we are going to get married and have kids eventually why not speed it up"

 

 

To which I would use your logic right back at you. We are all going to die eventually, so why is murder a crime ?

[ImperfectionisBeauty]

And that's how it should be, because raising a kid takes SOOOOOOOOOOO longer.

 

 

 

 

Also, earlier in the thread, as a justification for this betrayal you said "but if we are going to get married and have kids eventually why not speed it up"

 

 

To which I would use your logic right back at you. We are all going to die eventually, so why is murder a crime ?

You can't compare something so happy like having a baby to murder. Just can't.

[ImperfectionisBeauty]

Yes, because it's a lifelong commitment. It should take a long time.

 

It shouldn't take half of my life.

If it takes half of my life whats the point?

[Keenly]

You can't compare something so happy like having a baby to murder. Just can't.

 

Actually I can. Because not all of us equate babies as good thing again. Personally I never want kids, so trapping me into a pregnancy is taking my entire life: into your hands regardless of what I want for myself , and doing what YOU want with it.

 

 

Its the same line of reasoning, and you can't just discard it because it invalidated your argument.

 

 

You are going to die eventually, so murder shouldn't be illegal because we are just speeding up the process.

 

Kids will get drunk in life eventually, so why don't we just give them alcohol at age 5?

[Keenly]

It shouldn't take half of my life.

If it takes half of my life whats the point?

 

Its not all about you. No one is saying that you can't have a kid whenever you want. You can. Go and do it. You just don't get to trick a man into doing it.

[ImperfectionisBeauty]

Actually I can. Because not all of us equate babies as good thing again. Personally I never want kids, so trapping me into a pregnancy is taking my entire life: into your hands regardless of what I want for myself , and doing what YOU want with it.

 

 

Its the same line of reasoning, and you can't just discard it because it invalidated your argument.

 

 

You are going to die eventually, so murder shouldn't be illegal because we are just speeding up the process.

 

Kids will get drunk in life eventually, so why don't we just give them alcohol at age 5?

The thing is you are giving extreme examples, if murder wasn't illegal our world would be chaotic (go see The Purge), giving children alcohol at 5 would kill them or harm them developmentally. Poking a hole in a condom is not going to developmentally harm the man (especially since he is having sex and a risk of sex is pregnancy so he should be prepared) nor will it cause societal chaos.

[Keenly]

The thing is you are giving extreme examples, if murder wasn't illegal our world would be chaotic (go see The Purge), giving children alcohol at 5 would kill them or harm them developmentally. Poking a hole in a condom is not going to developmentally harm the man (especially since he is having sex and a risk of sex is pregnancy so he should be prepared) nor will it cause societal chaos.

 

How can you not see your selfishness?

 

Lost cause. You are obviously not listening , nor do you care about the detrimental and harmful effects you will be placing on not only the man, but the child.

 

 

Just go do it. We all know its what you want to do. Do it, and make another thread and tell us how it worked out for you.

[miss_jaclynrae]

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Doing that... not helping. Now what?? lol

 

Like I said I wouldn't do this but I can understand why someone would. I feel like when you look at a cute little healthy baby you can't even be mad

 

I really think that you need to remember that once you have a child it isn't even about YOU anymore. It is about the child. To put a child in such a position is selfish and ultimately a very unstable environment to raise one in.

[ImperfectionisBeauty]

How can you not see your selfishness?

 

Lost cause. You are obviously not listening , nor do you care about the detrimental and harmful effects you will be placing on not only the man, but the child.

 

 

Just go do it. We all know its what you want to do. Do it, and make another thread and tell us how it worked out for you.

 

Like I said I am not going to do it... I am saying I shouldn't be forced to wait for some guy to get his **** together in 10 years or whenever while my fertility is dying.

 

I think when I'm ready I would talk with whoever I'm with about it and then if they don't want it... idk because I am not going to be 30 starting from scratch in the dating field.

Edited June 17, 2013 by ImperfectionisBeauty

[miss_jaclynrae]

Like I said I am not going to do it... I am saying I shouldn't be forced to wait for some guy to get his **** together in 10 years or whenever while my fertility is dying.

 

Who is forcing you to do anything?

 

 

Go and get a WILLING sperm donor.

You can't go around blaming people for choices you make.

[ImperfectionisBeauty]

Who is forcing you to do anything?

 

 

Go and get a WILLING sperm donor.

You can't go around blaming people for choices you make.

 

I think we have already discussed sperm donors and why I wouldn't do that, it is gross and weird people do it.

[Keenly]

Why should the man have to raise / pay for a kid that he wasn't ready for because you decided to take away his ability to choose when he is ready ?

 

 

All I'm seeing is me me me I I I and no one else matters.

[miss_jaclynrae]

I think we have already discussed sperm donors and why I wouldn't do that, it is gross and weird people do it.

 

Then you have no one to blame but yourself. If you WAIT until your eggs die, you can't blame a man for that. That is your doing.