Star Gazer Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Oh, DoT. I'm so sorry. Let's just see how she improves, okay? Take it one step at a time. Such big hugs to you. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin's wagon Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Hi. Sorry to hear everything... I want to say, however, that no matter what happens from here on in, you have not failed her! You have given her almost 7 amazing years of love and happiness, and she did that as well for you! I hope you realize how (unfortunately) rare it is for animals in today's world to have such a great and long life with such an amazing person taking care of them. I felt bad as well for not having money to afford to pay for some extra, advanced or revolutionary treatment for my dog to try to get him healthy. I truly felt awful for not having it. But honestly I understood eventually that life came to a point where it there were practically no good choices left except to say goodbye&thank you and let my dog go, and hope that one day we'll meet again in heaven, if hopefully it exists.... As hard as it was for me, I tried to come to terms with the fact that sometimes, horribly and unfortunately, life goes in that direction. My dog was suffering, and it would have taken a lot of his time&energy and our money we didn't have (short of selling the apartment) and there would still be an extremely low chance of it working, and he would still suffer while we'd be trying... And people here helped me realize that perhaps I was being "selfish" (you know what I mean) for trying to keep him alive despite his suffering, and that it would have been harder for him to go on than for me to grieve his death... And I hope and think that if he could understand, he would understand that I/we simply were put in such a position, and that he wouldn't want us to hurt ourselves even more (by spending every last cent (including appartement) on him, thus leaving us with little/no money if something happened to us that we'd need the money for our treatment etc. ANd I think he wouldn't want us to take that risk and suffer that much for him... I know it's hard and it's a ****ty world that money is an obstacle for fighting for our loved ones. I kind of got lost here and don't know exactly how to put my thoughts into words, but basically I really think you aren't letting her down no matter what you decide, and I think it's amazing how much you care and have cared for her and how much her life was great because of you, for so long. Best wishes to all 6 Link to post Share on other sites
sweetjasmine Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 By tremouring they mean that she is on her side "paddling" trying to get up but can't. They say neurological. I ask if it's permanent which they "don't know." We had a dog like this in the hospital this week, but he's worse off than yours. When he's not on any drugs, he tremors and paddles almost non-stop and is not all that responsive. To keep him comfortable, they've now got him on a constant drip of propofol to keep him sedated and his muscles relaxed. That your dog was responsive and recognized you is a good sign, but her tremors and paddling may or may not stop. It's so hard to tell with neuro cases. Is this one of those things where I can't see the obvious? Or is it one of those things where it's reasonable? No, it's not you not being able to see the obvious. Because it's not obvious. These things usually aren't. I am actually somewhat loathing myself for not having money available for this. I love my dog so much and in this way I have failed her. And she's never failed me. She's come through and through. Oh, sweetie. We see this literally every day. Lots of kind-hearted good folks who just can't afford this or that or the other thing. Neither you nor any of these people have failed their pets. You've given your dog a loving home for years. That's worth more than anything. ((((DoT)))) 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Mack05 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Dream I know this pain....Here is my dog story -> http://www.loveshack.org/forums/breaking-up-reconciliation-coping/breaks-breaking-up/299564-need-some-support-today I still miss him..Sending you lots of love. I think you are a great girl and I'm sad reading this.. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
KathyM Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I'm so sorry. Whatever you decide to do, you did not fail your dog. You tried to save her. I'll pray that you'll have strength to handle this, whichever way you choose for your dog. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
marqueemoon4 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I had to put my 12yr old jack russell terrier last summer. It was pretty much unbearable on top of the divorce and all the other horrible things that were happening.. I still miss her but I was happy she lived a happy, comfortable life. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author dreamingoftigers Posted June 23, 2013 Author Share Posted June 23, 2013 Hi everybody, The updates: She pulled through the night seizure-free. She's been eating a bit. They've reduced her medication. She's sitting up, not standing yet. I am very eenily, cautiously optimistic. I have been informed that the anti-seizure medication that my dog has been on has: A: been reduced and then stopped because she has not had another seizure B: A sedative that causes weakness! So part of the reason my dog could be having so many issues balancing and getting up is because of this factor. The next 12 hours are crucial. But she is doing better. __________________________________________________________ So she has been seizure-free for about 24 hours. And paddle-free for about 12ish. The sitting up is amazing, so is the eating. I am still not expecting to bring a dog home tonight, but I have not counted it out either. We'll see. Thank you all so much. I've been reading the posts. I just don't have a great response except to say Thanks. I just can't think about much else right now. 6 Link to post Share on other sites
anne1707 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 DoT This is good to hear. I know she is not out of the woods yet but she's got some fight in her. Like her Mum 3 Link to post Share on other sites
SoleMate Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Best wishes to both of you. The dog is very lucky to have such a devoted owner/mom. Dogs live in the moment and I'm sure you've had many great times together. I hope there are more good times ahead for both of you. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
sweetjasmine Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 So she has been seizure-free for about 24 hours. And paddle-free for about 12ish. DoT, this is excellent! 24 hours without seizures is the point our patients have to reach before they're considered okay to go home. If she's paddle and tremor free for another 12 hours, that'll be even better. It sounds like things have really turned around for her. This is such great news. You're right about the diazepam. It has sedative effects (and is actually used as a pre-med before anesthesia), so it might have made it more difficult for her to sit up, especially if she was on dose after dose of it to control her seizures and tremors. It's really great that they were able to cut back on it enough to see she's able to sit up. The sitting up is amazing, so is the eating. I am still not expecting to bring a dog home tonight, but I have not counted it out either. We'll see. Yes, it is amazing. Even if she can't come home tonight, it sounds like she's feeling and getting better. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
todreaminblue Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 dot......i am glad that your puppy is getting better......you must feel hope coming back in to your heart now.....hugs....deb 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author dreamingoftigers Posted June 23, 2013 Author Share Posted June 23, 2013 DoT, this is excellent! 24 hours without seizures is the point our patients have to reach before they're considered okay to go home. If she's paddle and tremor free for another 12 hours, that'll be even better. It sounds like things have really turned around for her. This is such great news. You're right about the diazepam. It has sedative effects (and is actually used as a pre-med before anesthesia), so it might have made it more difficult for her to sit up, especially if she was on dose after dose of it to control her seizures and tremors. It's really great that they were able to cut back on it enough to see she's able to sit up. Yes, it is amazing. Even if she can't come home tonight, it sounds like she's feeling and getting better. I am so so grateful for your continued information. It has given me a lot of hope. Apparently she is still twitching some. She has been without the anti-seizure meds since 11:00 my time. It is now 4:45 pm. I am not sure what to expect. I don't think it sounds as though I should put her to sleep though. She's a totally aware dog. I just don't see that "Mom, it's time" vibe coming from her. IDK. I'll see if she's able to walk relatively soon and I expect she is going to be very weak considering she's only eaten this morning. She couldn't get into the vehicle at all the other night. She couldn't even stand up. I don't know how bad things are. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
todreaminblue Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I am so so grateful for your continued information. It has given me a lot of hope. Apparently she is still twitching some. She has been without the anti-seizure meds since 11:00 my time. It is now 4:45 pm. I am not sure what to expect. I don't think it sounds as though I should put her to sleep though. She's a totally aware dog. I just don't see that "Mom, it's time" vibe coming from her. IDK. I'll see if she's able to walk relatively soon and I expect she is going to be very weak considering she's only eaten this morning. She couldn't get into the vehicle at all the other night. She couldn't even stand up. I don't know how bad things are. I had a twelve year old rottie,the vet didnt want me there when he put her to sleep........you just dont know dot........ i never gave up my hope dot........nto at all ...i allowed mysefl to have hope....until i was told the next morning she was put down in the night .......the vet put her down because she was in massive pain.....keep hope alive until theres no hope left.........(((hugs))))...i dont regret having hope in my heart and neither should you..when i went to visit bear she seen that hope in my heart.....and she was a like a puppy again...so happy to see me .......i dont regret that hope....its necessary for your puppy to see that hope, either way it goes........be strong..ill send some prayers up for you...deb 3 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Hi everybody, The updates: She pulled through the night seizure-free. She's been eating a bit. They've reduced her medication. She's sitting up, not standing yet. I am very eenily, cautiously optimistic. I have been informed that the anti-seizure medication that my dog has been on has: A: been reduced and then stopped because she has not had another seizure B: A sedative that causes weakness! So part of the reason my dog could be having so many issues balancing and getting up is because of this factor. The next 12 hours are crucial. But she is doing better. __________________________________________________________ So she has been seizure-free for about 24 hours. And paddle-free for about 12ish. The sitting up is amazing, so is the eating. I am still not expecting to bring a dog home tonight, but I have not counted it out either. We'll see. Thank you all so much. I've been reading the posts. I just don't have a great response except to say Thanks. I just can't think about much else right now. ((((((((((((((((DOT)))))))))))))))))) Has the vet said anything about electrolytes and dehydration? My dog had a severe brain injury and I gave her one of my remedies ad she snapped out fast. I would consider this brain injury due to seizures. It sounds like an OD of sorts:confused: Anyway, I'm no vet, but have doctored many animals after researching their conditions. I love ya girl, and you all have my prayers. I think puppy will be ok (FTR any age is "puppy" for me) 3 Link to post Share on other sites
whichwayisup Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I'm a strong believer of positive thoughts and prayers, meditation and visualizing, so your pup-pup is in my thoughts! Do promise me something - NO more beating up on yourself. That's pointless and makes you feel bad. Things happen that's out of our control, the dog getting into the garbage is not your fault. You've done everything properly and your dog is in good hands at the Vet's. I feel for you and that you're going through. We had to put our cat 2 years ago, it was so sad, she must have eaten a mouse and that mouse ate poison, or she licked/ate something poisonous..One day she was fine, completely normal, the next day she sick, throwing up, so weak, and within 2 days we knew we had to take her to the vet. So heartbreaking. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
sweetjasmine Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I am so so grateful for your continued information. It has given me a lot of hope. Apparently she is still twitching some. She has been without the anti-seizure meds since 11:00 my time. It is now 4:45 pm. I am not sure what to expect. I don't think it sounds as though I should put her to sleep though. She's a totally aware dog. I just don't see that "Mom, it's time" vibe coming from her. IDK. 24 hours without a seizure is a big improvement. I'd say it wouldn't make sense to euthanize at this point. If you're not getting the "it's time" vibe, then it's not the right time. I'll see if she's able to walk relatively soon and I expect she is going to be very weak considering she's only eaten this morning. Yeah, it might take her some time to get her strength back. As long as her neurological symptoms are resolving, she'll hopefully get better with time as her body recovers. The seizures and tremors are the most serious and dangerous parts of this kind of illness. She may have some other issues, like kidney or liver damage, but her chances will be much better. I hope she continues to get better. ((((DoT)))) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author dreamingoftigers Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 SHE STOOD UP BY HERSELF! Wobbly but still really good. Still some tremouring. and she's been eating "small meals" across the day.:love::love::D:D:D:D:D:love::love::D:D:D:D:love::bunny: 7 Link to post Share on other sites
todreaminblue Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 SHE STOOD UP BY HERSELF! Wobbly but still really good. Still some tremouring. and she's been eating "small meals" across the day.:love::love::D:D:D:D:D:love::love::D:D:D:D:love::bunny: yaaaaaaaaaaay.........woot woot....go puppy go.....deb 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BlackGoaty Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 You can give her some natural supplements like Pycynogel / french maritime pine bark extract, it is very high in antioxidants and might help clear up the toxins. Please do your own research first on the pine tree extract, not all are created equal. My 18 year old chihuahua used to have seizures when she was around 8-9 years old growing towards old age and till today, she's an amazing personification of real world Jack Lalane if you know what I mean other than some cataract and hearing issues. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Anela Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 SHE STOOD UP BY HERSELF! Wobbly but still really good. Still some tremouring. and she's been eating "small meals" across the day.:love::love::D:D:D:D:D:love::love::D:D:D:D:love:: :bunny: :bunny::bunny::bunny: :bunny: :bunny: I'm so happy for you. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
SoleMate Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 So glad to hear it, nature has very strong healing powers, best wishes for continued upswing!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sweetjasmine Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 SHE STOOD UP BY HERSELF! Wobbly but still really good. Still some tremouring. and she's been eating "small meals" across the day.:love::love::D:D:D:D:D:love::love::D:D:D:D:love::bunny: YAY, this is awesome! Eagerly awaiting the next update. :) :bunny: Link to post Share on other sites
Anela Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 YAY, this is awesome! Eagerly awaiting the next update. :) :bunny: So am I. I came here today to see if you'd updated. Link to post Share on other sites
Author dreamingoftigers Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 This morning they were going to send her home because she was doing so well. We arranged a discharge time for half an hour from now. I just got a call saying that she's going downhill again and she's very upset. We are going to assess. We can't stretch out the hospitalization anymore. But more than that, if she comes home and isn't getting better, we have to make the call. I feel sick. But we'll know soon. Link to post Share on other sites
Author dreamingoftigers Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 YAY, this is awesome! Eagerly awaiting the next update. :) :bunny: Do they go up and down in recovery? Link to post Share on other sites
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