tbf Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 People confuse dominant with domineering. The dominant male is one who's comfortable in his own skin where people naturally follow him. The domineering male is highly insecure so he runs around trying to get people to follow by pushing them around. In essence, he's always trying to prove himself. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
SuperGeek Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) I know a few guys that are in and out of jail all the time, getting in bar fights, and they never have a problem getting girls. So many girls they don't even know what to do with them all. I see it when I go out with them drinking. They are definitely fun guys to hang out with and I think women are drawn to the personality, the mystery, the excitement... it makes sense... Then there is there guys like me who are college educated, who don't get arrested, who work 9-5pm jobs, and yeah we have a lot harder time getting the girls. It sucks being an ordinary dude in this world. The other day my friend showed up at the bar with his prison shirt on and the girls loved it. I got so depressed seeing this display of a complete psychological mind **** I decided to get drunk and had to get a cab home alone. Yup, I'm likely dying alone. Hope the girls/women here are enjoying themselves. It must be so nice being in a 24/7 toy store getting pretty much any guy you want and eating up the attention. SuperGeek Edited June 28, 2013 by SuperGeek Link to post Share on other sites
ScreamingTrees Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I think that people both online and offline who see life in terms of "alpha/beta/omega" are idiots. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 It probably all depends on your definitions of "alpha" and "beta". Emilia pointed out the positive alpha traits: confidence, assertiveness, decisiveness, leadership skills, physical strength, pride, good social skills. But there are positive beta traits as well, the kind that make a man a good husband and father, like empathy, nurturing, and the willingness to, to a reasonable extent, work for the greater good and not just for yourself. My opinion is that a man needs a good balance of both to be successful in relationships and life. The trick, as always, is finding a balance that works. And yeah, guys that refer to themselves as "alpha" rarely are. Agreed and further to the point, agree with tbf as well. To me confidence indicates the presence of empathy (though not necessarily nurturing I suppose) because truly confident people are not afraid of relating to others, they don't see it as a weakness. I've seen the self-centered/lack of empathy attitude in men who have highly passive aggressive tendencies and whom I would consider 'beta' for lack of a better term. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Pompeii Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 In certain communities, guys with a criminal record a mile long get laid more than guys who are law abiding citizens. I am talking about the urban inner city demographic, where most women in that demographic have no problem spreading their legs for an unemployed criminal on welfare. Urban inner city women tend to have very low standards when it comes to dating. Well, it's been proven that men who are criminals and psychopaths are generally more attractive than the average man who pretty much is equivalent to white wallpaper. Tsnarnev (the Boston bomber) and James Holmes (the Aurora shooter) had thousands of women profess their "love" for them on Tumblr and Twitter despite what they did. These women weren't "urban inner city" (i.e. black) women either. What that means, is up to you to decide. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
A O Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I was wondering, what do people, especially women think about alphas and betas? Do women think and assess if a guy is an alpha or a beta? Do women hate betas? Who are alphas and who are betas? If alphas and betas are real, how can I be an alpha? Alphas are leaders, confident and competent - a byproduct of being a leader is that it is attractive to women, but few set out to be alphas just so they can attract women. It is, again, just a byproduct of the trait. How can a beta become an alpha, simple, just be confident and confidence itself is derived from competence or mastery of a chosen field. Can be any field or interest. Confidence and competence underpins leadership but you don't need to be a leader to possess these traits. So, is alpha and beta real - absolutely although few people ever need to define it as such - that's the kicker. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
AD1980 Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Why arent women overnalzyed personality wise like this? Seems as if a man must be 75% this and 10% that 5% something else to please a women lol it also seems women are more obsessed with gender role type personalities then men when it comes to attraction Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Why arent women overnalzyed personality wise like this? Seems as if a man must be 75% this and 10% that 5% something else to please a women lol it also seems women are more obsessed with gender role type personalities then men when it comes to attraction Because the guys who post here seem to be more interested in the size of women's tits than their personality. You should ask your fellow men why that is. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
AD1980 Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Because the guys who post here seem to be more interested in the size of women's tits than their personality. You should ask your fellow men why that is. Who are you talking about? sure theres a few overly shallow mental cases here but thats both genders most people here are decent people just struggling in the dating world Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Who are you talking about? sure theres a few overly shallow mental cases here but thats both genders most people here are decent people just struggling in the dating world Look at the threads here. How many are started by men where they analyse personalities and compatibility? They are usually about how fat girls are or why the pretty ones don't want to have sex with them. You can start one if you want about 'alpha' 'beta' women or whatever. Nothing is stopping you. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
AD1980 Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Look at the threads here. How many are started by men where they analyse personalities and compatibility? They are usually about how fat girls are or why the pretty ones don't want to have sex with them. You can start one if you want about 'alpha' 'beta' women or whatever. Nothing is stopping you. Thats bs those are just the ones you choose to concentrate on just like i can concnetrate on women makign threads about short men or whatever theyres plenty of threads from men about other things besides looks Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Thats bs those are just the ones you choose to concentrate on just like i can concnetrate on women makign threads about short men or whatever theyres plenty of threads from men about other things besides looks Off you go and start one of those thread then Link to post Share on other sites
AD1980 Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Off you go and start one of those thread then Why? youd just ignore that and spend all your energy on the troll talking about womens tits:laugh: Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Why? youd just ignore that and spend all your energy on the troll talking about womens tits:laugh: Link to post Share on other sites
A O Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Why arent women overnalzyed personality wise like this? Probably because they're over-analyzed looks-wise compared to men. Seems as if a man must be 75% this and 10% that 5% something else to please a women lol Well, I do need a woman to be a lot of this, a bit of that and a bit more of that to boot. So on and so on. I reckon we're all the same on this score except maybe we apply this formula differently. Remember we tend to see what we want to see so you see this and that and others see you as being this and that. If that proves useful then all well and good if not then a change of outlook may prove beneficial. Link to post Share on other sites
MissBee Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 People confuse dominant with domineering. The dominant male is one who's comfortable in his own skin where people naturally follow him. The domineering male is highly insecure so he runs around trying to get people to follow by pushing them around. In essence, he's always trying to prove himself. Ditto. I like a man with a quiet confidence which is highly noticeable. Where he doesn't need to be yelling "look at me, look at me", but his presence itself demands you to stop and take notice of him. He treats other people respectfully and follows his own path and directives, regardless of if others like it and doesn't need the approval of his "boys", his mom or a throng of women to tell him how great he is. You cannot counterfeit that...try as you might. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ryan R. Posted June 28, 2013 Author Share Posted June 28, 2013 In any case...have you had any girls like you before? Who me? Haha, no way. I'm not a very animated person and I don't really talk a whole lot. I have a lot of female friends but I highly doubt any of them like(d) me. Oh well, no use crying over spilled milk! Link to post Share on other sites
footballfan10 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) Well, it's been proven that men who are criminals and psychopaths are generally more attractive than the average man who pretty much is equivalent to white wallpaper. Tsnarnev (the Boston bomber) and James Holmes (the Aurora shooter) had thousands of women profess their "love" for them on Tumblr and Twitter despite what they did. These women weren't "urban inner city" (i.e. black) women either. What that means, is up to you to decide. Lol the Aurora Shooter was not alpha at all...He was a HUGE Beta phaggot with no self confidence/assertiveness/masculine traits etc etc. Just because he killed a large amount of people (in a cowardly unfair way might I add) doesn't make him an alpha or macho...It makes him a pussy...Anyone can kill unarmed people in a movie theater with an Ar-15....The biggest beta insecure weakling loser on earth can kill people with an Ar-15 in a movie theater. The reason he snapped was because he was rejected by women. He was a rejected virgin who was laughed off by women and thus committed that cowardly attack to lash out for rejections+to regain his sense of a man. His low status with women/society created his rage that led to the attack. Killing people doesn't make you Alpha/Masculine (some killers are very masculine/alpha but the act of killing alone doesn't automatically make a person that) all the rampage killers are insecure nerd weaklings who can't even bench 135lbs. Edited July 9, 2013 by footballfan10 Link to post Share on other sites
Pompeii Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) Killing people doesn't make you Alpha/Masculine (some killers are very masculine/alpha but the act of killing alone doesn't automatically make a person that) all the rampage killers are insecure nerd weaklings who can't even bench 135lbs. I never said killing someone makes them "alpha". Even the most alpha of alphas becomes as insignificant as a spec of dust with a bullet in his ****ing head. Some clever jackass didn't come up with the name "the great equalizer" for a gun because he felt like being smart. Guns make weaker people seem much more powerful than they are. A gun pretty much gives you the power to play God. With a gun, the other person's life is literally in your shaky hands. All of those guys who committed mass murders: Sodini, Holmes, Lanza, Tsarnaev, they were all "betas". They weren't considered high status people at all. People who commit mass murders generally aren't regarded highly in society, that's why they take it out on society. When's the last time you saw a CEO of a big business go out and shoot up a shopping mall? I would like to bet it has never happened. These guys are generally losers with nothing to lose by doing this. They're "beta" to the core. Most guys who are considered "alpha", drug kingpins, mafia bosses, gang leaders, white-collar criminals, hell you could even make a case for the average US Armed Forces soldier, etc. Are more likely to kill other rivals with guns than kill innocent people. If innocent people get harmed while they're conducting "business", they don't care. It's just part of the process. If you let the opinions of women (many of whom can switch between hating your guts and loving you in a single day) dictate how you feel about yourself, then you truly are lower than tadpole sperm. These men shriveled up when challenged presented itself to them in the form of social adversity and they failed. Really shows what type of "men" they were. Women could ignore me for the rest of my life and I could be ostracized by my professional peers but never would I be able to summon enough rage and hate for myself and others that makes me want to take lives that I didn't deserve. You could make a case for mental instability for Sodini, but that's even laughable. They damn well knew what they were doing and they just didn't give a ****. It shouldn't be any surprise that most of these guys are more familiar with what the back of a video game box looks like than a vagina. Anyway, I think the terms "alpha" and "beta" are bull****. It means literally nothing. LeBron James is easily an "alpha" on the basketball court but when my friends and I are discussing upper-tier economic theory, he would most likely be swept away in the discussion and become a "beta". Yes, there are men who are more desired by certain women but I don't think that necessarily makes them "alpha". Michael Cera is the dream of lots of women everywhere as boyfriend material, but I wouldn't consider him an "alpha" in any sense of the word. Edited May 19, 2019 by a LoveShack.org Moderator 1 Link to post Share on other sites
footballfan10 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) I never said killing someone makes them "alpha". Even the most alpha of alphas becomes as insignificant as a spec of dust with a bullet in his ****ing head. Some clever jackass didn't come up with the name "the great equalizer" for a gun because he felt like being smart. Guns make weaker people seem much more powerful than they are. A gun pretty much gives you the power to play God. With a gun, the other person's life is literally in your shaky hands. Yes I agree 100 percent...Theres nothing alpha about some phaggot shooting unarmed ambushed random people for no reason and than either killing himself/surrendering (notice how none of these ramapagers ever taken on armed people??). All of those guys who committed mass murders: Sodini, Holmes, Lanza, Tsarnaev, they were all "betas". They weren't considered high status people at all. People who commit mass murders generally aren't regarded highly in society, that's why they take it out on society. When's the last time you saw a CEO of a big business go out and shoot up a shopping mall? I would like to bet it has never happened. Yes don't forget the Columbine shooters and Cho from Virginia Tech. Some rampage killers are book smart nerds (Holmes/Lanza) but have no confidence in themselves/social skills to go along with there nerd smarts. Holmes was pretty intelligent and academically successful but with such a beta insecure personality was unlikely to go that far with it....Plus no girlfriend due to his shyness and lack of confidence...Nerd smarts doesn't impress many women if you can't go anywhere with it. These guys are generally losers with nothing to lose by doing this. They are all HUGE social losers but (some) rampage killers were academically pretty successful and accomplished...Holmes and Sodini to name a few off the top of my head...Holmes had a neuroscience degree at a good college and probably would have gotten a good nerdy job had he not snapped out of sexual frustration. Sodini was making almost 200k a year at his job...But socially the rampage killers are all huge losers...and thats what matter most imo. But from a pure ecnomoic standpoint Sodini was quite successful. 200,000 thousand a year is a very good job and from just that standpoint Sodini was successful. They're "beta" to the core. Most guys who are considered "alpha", drug kingpins, mafia bosses, gang leaders, white-collar criminals, hell you could even make a case for the average US Armed Forces soldier, etc. Are more likely to kill other rivals with guns than kill innocent people. If innocent people get harmed while they're conducting "business", they don't care. It's just part of the process. Those guys you listed (Mafia, Gang leaders, Ceo's etc) are all macho alpha (high testosterone etc). The rampage shooters are not macho alpha at all...In fact they all likely have low testosterone and are shy/not confident/emasculated etc etc. They are basically shy nerd loners (some like Holmes and Sodini being academically successful) but with a beta insecure personality good grades won't do much. Edited July 10, 2013 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Link to post Share on other sites
Revolver Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 You ever watch the discovery channel And you see the shows with the lions? The pack of lions all kill a wildebeest then what happens? 2 or 3 lions(the alphas) eat the vast majority of the meat while the others(betas) settle for scraps. I honestly don't see how that's different from when in a club/party a group of guys come shut that s*** down and bring home tons of girls while the rest of the guys go home with nothing. Or when guys in athletics in college "date" a big piece of the Female Population. Think about it and I've seen in with my own eyes. I have a friend in college who's a BACKUP on the baseball team who's slept with like 20 girls in his 4 years there(and has a few in rotation right now). And remind you dude is a BENCH player:p Link to post Share on other sites
Eligos Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Interesting topic. New here. I myself joke around with a good friend of mine and call each other beta. I think this just categorizes a person. If I was to decide which one I would be I would say beta. Some people just don't have luck or express themselves in a Good way that might scare girls away. GIRLS. I don't think women care. In general I don't care. Most "alphas" look and act like huge tools to me. My 25 year old boss is considered alpha. Has money. Tall. Athletic. Car, money, gets laid +5 times a week with different girls. I know this cause he shows off every now and then. My response? Why do you need to prove yourself so bad to me? If I'm so inferior to you. To me. That screams tool. Be yourself guys. Its not bad to have an ego. I'm not the most athletic and I'm not hung like my boss says he is. But I am myself. I do and say what I please. I don't need to impress a girl because I know my worth. Sounds stuck up but better than running around chasing ass. To me at least. My sex life hasn't been too bad either. For not ever really trying to get laid.. I'm dating a 35 year old right now. And she just loves everything about me. Says I'm very mature, fun, friendly, easygoing and amazing in bed. Maybe if you're the type of guy who's nice and respectful and all that jazz. Try dating older women. No drama. No chasing, no mixed signals and dumb bull these young girls give you. In general. No headaches. I've never really had problems with girls. One of my best friends though. Is the complete opposite. Girls make up excuses to not go out with him. And he's not bad looking either. But he takes it to heart. I think if any guy wants to date successfully he should never take a no to heart. If you get a no. Move on because it is NEVER YOUR LOSS. remember that. Link to post Share on other sites
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