Salacious details within – Sex, Lies, and Audiotape! Did she cheat? Opinion needed!

[E050822]

I agree, but B still doesn't think it would work. He says that M will deny it to his dying day. Worst part of it is that B was paying him for the work he was doing and now he's paid for the polygraph which was unnecessary, and will pay for audio enhancements, too...all so we can get this mess cleared up because his cousin won't tell us what (or who, more specifically) he was doing that morning.

[therhythm]

why wouldn't your bf give you his number? Call him on loudspeaker and thank him for the performance. If he's like WTF, then you'll both know you didn't do it.

 

And what prevent her to plan it with M before the show?

[BreatheForABit]

Whats your twos take of the other mans voiced saying "what?" after M says "look at me" then M says "lets go over there" I mean i definitely heard a mans voice and it could explain why M ran away has he ever giving you two the impression that he is a homosexual or has participated in homosexual activity I posted my discovery of another mans voice but I don't think you two saw that.

 

It's a woman I'm sure. Dude is not bi or gay as far as I know.

 

My cousin was here to do some work for me. I was even paying him! So you hear how hard he is working obviously! Again, the name you think is pretty dang close though.

 

Another point is the time around 15:04. There is another set of footsteps after "walk over here". But are those footsteps heard before 15:04? How long do the footsteps last?

 

The noise canceling headphones are active ones, meaning that they only do destructive interference to background noises while you are listening. Not the background noises present in the audio. That type of noise reduction and background sound removal is possible, but not cheap. I think at least $250. I've been trying it myself using Audacity and the noise removal feature. Frequency analysis would be best, so that's where the audio dude will hopefully be helpful.

 

I guess you can also remove background sounds using some process called Center Pan Remover. I've no idea how that works though.

[HEY2147]

The voice I hear saying what at 15:06 is definitely not a womans voice its a man I checked multiple times the reason I suggest that he might be gay or bi is because when I think about it it could answer a lot of questions like why are the male grunts are so load and the female moans sound quite almost porn like could also explain why hes so dodging the question or could be hiding something also where did the other man go or do when this was happening

This is what I hear

 

14:55 Lots of screeching maybe floor boards then sounds like door close

15:00 someone walking

15:04 M "look at me"

15:06 OM "what?" definitely no female voice

15:07 M "lets go over there"

15:08 (possible)OM slient"ok"

 

I suggest you go buy the headphones I mention I think thats why I was able to hear the other voice and you cant they cost like 6 or 5 dollars at best buy and try and listen to it again with the volume up and listen to that specific part could save you a lot of money and time they are called skullcandys

 

EDIT: Also your gf said that he gave slight impressions that he might be gay or bi I assume that you know him for a long time has he ever giving you the impression that he might be because the audio to me after my discovery of the other voice seems to suggest that to me

 

Last EDIT (sorry): Also is your dog named Jefferson or do you know a Jefferson because I think remember at one point I hear someone name Jefferson I will recheck the audio to confirm it

Edited June 30, 2013 by HEY2147

[Nemoralis]

So at 7:23, your girlfriend is awake and on her phone. ALSO at 7:23, there is a conversation (albeit a hushed one) taking place directly outside of her bedroom door but she doesn't remember and doesn't hear it?

 

I'm sorry but that would be all the evidence I would need. You don't instantly fall asleep after you've been woken up by your boyfriend and searched the web for a while. She HAD to have heard something of what was going on outside her door.

 

Also, she kind of contradicts herself. First she says she's 100% sure she fell right back to sleep after you left. Then she says that she frequently checks her phone after you leave in the mornings. If that's the case, and this is such an obviously important issue, it seems like she would have racked her brain during your questioning and thought, "I normally check my phone in the mornings...did I do it that morning?" But no, she only admitted to it after you showed her the phone records. Fishy fishy.

[Nemoralis]

Also...describe your cousin in great detail. (YOU do it, not G). And yes, it is important.

[E050822]

Ok, apparently I need to clarify my actions a little more...when I said I didn't recall doing things on my phone that morning after B left for work, it was because I don't normally do things on my phone that early in the morning on a day off. I do, however, do things that early on days that I work...wake around 6:30 am, smoke cigarette, do things on phone, then get ready for work. However, that day was a Wednesday, which is the day my child support comes in...which is what I was doing on my phone. I was still tired, so after checking that, I laid back down and fell back to sleep.

 

Fishy fishy...is this a McDonald's commercial? Lol.

[Nemoralis]

Doesn't really matter, everything in my post still stands.

 

You seem like an extremely intelligent and rational person. Everything you've posted so far - all the perfect explanations and rationalizations - suggest that you are pretty damn smart. I'm just trying to put myself in your shoes. If my relationship were on the line, if my boyfriend had good evidence that I were cheating, and if he were questioning me very hard about the specific events of that morning...you had better believe that I wouldn't have answered until I had thought long and hard about exactly what had happened. I would have certainly remembered that it was Wednesday and I had checked my phone.

 

But all of that doesn't even touch on the fact that you stopped using your phone at 7:23, the exact minute that a conversation was taking place right outside your bedroom door. You simply could not have been as out of it with sleepiness as you are claiming. You were coherent enough to stay awake for 11 minutes, use your phone, log into whatever accounts you were checking, remember that your child support was due to come in, etc. But somehow you forgot all this when your boyfriend questions you? Makes no sense.

 

More than likely you were killing time on your phone until you were sure that your boyfriend had really left. And you stopped using your phone as you were walking out of your room to fool around with your boyfriend's cousin.

 

I'm not saying with 100% certainty that this is what happened, but this is what ANY rational person would believe. To believe anything other than this would be simply an act of faith. If your boyfriend is comfortable with that, great.

 

It's also possible, however unlikely, that you are innocent. If this is the case then I'm truly sorry. Life sucks sometimes.

Edited June 30, 2013 by Nemoralis

[E050822]

First and foremost, I always have been and always will be faithful to my boyfriend. Regardless of any evidence to the contrary, I did not fool around with his cousin...I would not degrade myself that way. When his cousin was in town working for him, I was pleasant to him, but that's as far as it went. Secondly, and I'm fairly certain I've used this phrasing in multiple previous posts, I am not attracted to his cousin, or even that type for that matter.

 

So, think what you will, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion...but I know what really happened that morning, speaking for myself. A whole lot of NOTHING.

[Nemoralis]

I understand that but that's what you would say either way and doesn't really help anyone come to a more accurate conclusion of what happened so it's really not necessary. I'm really more interested in your boyfriend's assessment of his cousin, not yours.

[BreatheForABit]

Also...describe your cousin in great detail. (YOU do it, not G). And yes, it is important.

 

He is about 8 years older than I am, in a little better shape and yes (as someone else asked before as well) he is generally more attractive to women than I. We are kind of the same really, same general skin complexion, general build, hair color, like the same beer, etc. Only big difference is that I have an education and he has been in and out of prison without an education. He isn't that bright, but has pulled some conniving things in the past (like ripping people off) where everyone who knows him well thought "and they believed THAT, from YOU?!?!"

 

He's my cousin and when he got booted out of his girlfriend/baby momma's house for allegedly being with another woman and the baby momma found out, I took pity and offered him a job working for me for a month or two this summer. He lasted about 3 weeks soon.

 

I will be getting EXACT (not atomic clock exact, but within a few seconds for sure) timing of the audio events and the web surfing events and post the time delay between when G gets off the web and when M tells someone near our bedroom door to "walk this way".

Edited June 30, 2013 by BreatheForABit

[JustAReformedGirl]

I've skimmed through most of this, as it seems to be a lot of back-and-forth political infighting. Where is this audio you speak of? I didn't see a link for it (though perhaps I can't access it, since I just joined this month).

 

You can either go one of two ways, OP:

 

1) Decide to let go of the uncertainty of the situation, and work on your relationship with your GF...

 

OR

 

2) In realizing you don't feel you can trust or believe her, cut the chord on your relationship. Whether she cheated on you or not-whether you're suspicions are justified, or not-no relationship can truly exist or last, where there is no trust.

[Nemoralis]

Interesting...he's attractive but conveniently "not her type." I dunno...it just doesn't sound right.

 

Another random question...how did you find this audio? I mean surely you don't listen to it every day? What made you listen to this one segment?

[BreatheForABit]

Where is this audio you speak of? I didn't see a link for it (though perhaps I can't access it, since I just joined this month).

 

This post has the link for the 1st 30 minutes of audio.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another random question...how did you find this audio? I mean surely you don't listen to it every day? What made you listen to this one segment?

 

Not everyday, but that day I had a bad feeling right after leaving for work, I almost doubled-back, in hindsight I should have! I don't listen to it everyday, it records over after about 50 hours. I listened after the next day and I skipped around just checking out what was going on and seeing if M was being truthful about what time he left and started work down the street. But then I heard the porno at first and was like WTF! Then I listened more closely and found what I found, and apparently a few people here found something "fishy fishy" here too.

[HEY2147]

He doesnt say "walk over here" he says "lets go over there" check it again

[Nemoralis]

That's what I thought. Your intuition was trying to tell you something. I usually have a killer intuition about things like this, and it has NEVER once been wrong. I wish like crazy that I'd learn to listen to it sooner. Your subconscious is always picking up on things that your conscious knows nothing about. There's a reason your brain was screaming at you to turn around that day. You had probably been picking up on signals from them for a while and just didn't realize it.

 

And I wanted to add something about your cousin...all those personality issues don't really matter for a fling. Physically, he is similar to you but he is more attractive. This means that he likely IS her type (physically) no matter what she says. Sounds like she's willing to say whatever she needs to say to make you believe her ("yes, I was sound asleep." "No, of course he's not my type.") Whether this is beause she's lying about cheating or not is up to you to decide.

Edited June 30, 2013 by Nemoralis

[E050822]

No, he isn't my type. If a man appears to require more time to get ready in the morning or for a date night than I do, that's weird to me. Also, I knew about the prostitute thing and his being in and out of prison and no education before I met him. So no, again...not my type. I hold myself to higher standards than getting involved with someone with issues like that.

 

Looks are not everything...there is a lot of physical attraction between my boyfriend and I, and I love that he isn't the male model type. That's just the kind of guy I've always been interested in...if the guy has a better body than me, it tends to not work out too well.

[E050822]

B said his cousin had a similar physical appearance, and I disagree. His cousin told me that he USED TO BE the same size as B, but he started exercising and lost some weight.

[E050822]

So, to use your words from a previous post, you said there was acknowledging going on outside the bedroom door, ALBEIT A HUSHED ONE. That's the key phrase right there...bedroom door was closed when I woke up a few hours after this took place, and it's been very warm where we love, so we sleep with a fan running all night. So yes, between the hushed conversation, the closed door, me sleeping, and the fan running, it's very possible that I didn't hear what was going on outside the door.

[E050822]

Live, not love

[E050822]

I wish he had double backed that day...then he would know for sure that I wasn't a part of whatever was going on and we wouldn't be debating it to death in this forum.

[HEY2147]

G and B you two say you have audacity you know at the bottom where it says select start well put in time

00h 15m 06.000s

 

next to it put

 

00h 15m 09.000s

 

you can hear the other person or put

 

00h15m07.000s

 

00h15m08.000s

 

if you want to hear the exact time the OM says what?

[JustAReformedGirl]

I suggest you guys stop debating it in the forum; this isn't an attack, just hear me out.

 

When you guys brought this here, you left it very open for many, conflicting interpretations of the matter-both from people viewing it objectively, and from people who are stirring sh*t up or projecting their own demons on your situation-and thus, assuming your situation and theirs are identical.

 

I don't think either of you will be able to resolve the matter here, in the forum. I think your best bet is to resolve it amongst yourselves, or to perhaps go to couples' counselling, and bring the audio to the therapist's office.

 

Otherwise, the only other choices available involve moving on from the situation, or going your separate ways. Like I said before: without trust, the foundation of your relationship is weak. If you want it to work, you need to work together to meet that end.

[E050822]

Thank you for the good advice...I think you are one of a select few in this forum who have posted something positive, rather than just assuming the worst and told B that he needs to basically leave me in the dust when I did nothing to warrant that. We will be seeking couples' counseling, starting tomorrow. I will make sure, as I'm sure he will as well, that he brings the audio when we meet with the counselor. I'm hoping that this meeting and any future meetings will help clear the air between us.

[JustAReformedGirl]

Thank you for the good advice...I think you are one of a select few in this forum who have posted something positive, rather than just assuming the worst and told B that he needs to basically leave me in the dust when I did nothing to warrant that. We will be seeking couples' counseling, starting tomorrow. I will make sure, as I'm sure he will as well, that he brings the audio when we meet with the counselor. I'm hoping that this meeting and any future meetings will help clear the air between us.

 

Don't thank me; it's a courtesy everyone should be affording each other. Attacking either of you wouldn't be productive for me, and it certainly wouldn't help either of you. I find too many people who attack, without offering advice, are projecting their own drama. I, (probably much to the mods' annoyance) tend to only argue against those people-and I tend not to be pragmatic about it.

 

Best of luck to both of you with the counselling, and I truly hope the issue can be resolved peaceably.