skydiveaddict Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 (((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))) You know, I just love you, you have such a good, caring heart...don't ever change! I wish I did have such a heart. But thank you. You are too kind. I don't deserve it. Link to post Share on other sites
skydiveaddict Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 The question was why does God answer prayers selectively, which I have answered, based on what the Bible teaches. You are bringing another debate topic into the thread, which is actually off topic. You are right Kathy. So I'll bring it back on topic. It bothers me when, for instance, a little baby gets a horrible cancer. That kid cannot possibly be responsible for any kind of sin. Yet God permits it. And it makes me angry that He does. Why does the Lord allow that? I don't get it and I doubt that I ever will. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
therhythm Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) It is said that God works in mysterious ways. Anyone who claims to fully understand them is full of crap. That's why this entire debate is useless. Either believe or not, but don't act like you know it all, because you don't and never will. No one claims to know everything... I in particular have strong respect for the believes of other people because all my family is catholic and I have met very good people who were religious in one or other way. I however will not sit in my ass and watch how a desperate guy gets outcasted by some people who feel better than other just because they pray to the God they believe to be the true one and the desperate guy has lost his faith for his own reasons... instead of trying to counsel him and help him he is getting outcasted... Most people here speak from the logical stand point... since there was a poster who claimed to understand God ways we played the same game Edited July 1, 2013 by therhythm 1 Link to post Share on other sites
skydiveaddict Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 It is said that God works in mysterious ways. Anyone who claims to fully understand them is full of crap. That's why this entire debate is useless. Either believe or not, but don't act like you know it all, because you don't and never will. The thing is though, I do believe it. Although I'm catholic so some folks here might not consider me to be a "true" christian; even though we are the original Christians. I just don't get why God allows such horrible suffering. Why would He permit it? Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 I wish I did have such a heart. But thank you. You are too kind. I don't deserve it. Yes you do! Just stating fact:) Link to post Share on other sites
therhythm Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) If someone claimed to fully understand God, my post would be just as relevant. I did not direct it exclusively at arrogant atheists who claim they have answers to everything. One can believe and still be just as arrogant. First let me tell you that I haven't seen any claim of knowing everything here by anyone (atheists or Theists) so I don't know where you get that from... I still fail to understand your point. Secondly if anyone has acted arrogant here were not the atheists (I am not one of them as you seem to believe) but those who claimed their voice would be the only one that will be listened by God... like a little elitist group who think is more important than other people. By the way God is not a property of the Christians... there are other religions too... Third... they read and interpret the Bible in their own interest to judge others and condemn them... This last one is the one that made me react to this whole thread. Edited July 1, 2013 by therhythm 1 Link to post Share on other sites
therhythm Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 1 & 2) How about OP? Did you read first post? I find it incredibly arrogant and condescending. It reads like "Ha, idiots, you still believe in God? I have all the answers, you ignorant sheeple! A few random occurences in my life are definitive proof of them! Muhahaahaha (stops abruptly after being straitjacketed)". 3)Not sure who you mean when you write "they". Many people have agendas and want to exploit others. Up to each individual to see through it and not get exploited. I think it is clear OP is out of his mind, he is a desperate man... he needs counseling and help. I do agree his ways are not the right ones but I would expect more compassion from people here... 3 Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 I think it is clear OP is out of his mind, he is a desperate man... he needs counseling and help. I do agree his ways are not the right ones but I would expect more compassion from people here... I have noticed, as well, the lack of compassion on LS for people who are struggling. I went through a pretty low period, myself, last year. There were several compassionate people on here who supported me but I'm afraid to say that wasn't the norm. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
KathyM Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) I guess you are talking about my posts in the thread of the scientific evidences of God? I that is so then you din't read my posts or didn't understand them... I have not claimed once that God exists or not exists... I am just defending my stand (That there is no proof either way) and in the middle time learning a lot from other people who knows much more than I about science and the theories of the origins... My point was that you claim you don't care one way or another, which surprises me given that you spend so much time debating the issue. Well then he needs to work in his PR... If he wants a relationship he may at least introduce himself personally I have no complains about God ... rather about people who claims to speak in His name ... like you do Then why are you complaining on this thread about Him? The OP asked specifically of those who follow God, why his prayers were not answered when he prayed. I answered his question based on what the Bible says about prayer. The Bible IS the word of God. To come and tell a desperate person who is obviously perturbed that God would not listen to him... Sad predicament lady! The OP asked the question. I answered him based on what the Bible says about prayer. If he didn't want to hear the answer, maybe he shouldn't have asked the question. Perhaps you should stop answering on behalf of the OP. Really?... so your God is a Human with omnipotent powers? then we are all screwed.... I didn't say God was human. I said man was created in the image of God. Since God word is the Bible, can you quote any reference to back this? , Matthew 19:13-15, "Then little children were being brought to Jesus in order that he might lay His hands on them and pray. The disciples spoke sternly to those who brought them, but Jesus said, 'Let the little children come to me, and do not stop them, for to such belong the kingdom of heaven." In the Shelter home for homeless people I volunteer in Amsterdam there is a priest (catholic) who works with the most unfortunate people... he dedicate them all his time even when he has been physically and verbally attached often by those that he is helping everyday. "I asked him once the same questions that I asked you, he told me: while the Bible was inspired by God it was written by men and subject to interpretation. He said that God is like a father who watch his children... a child can reject him and offend him but the father will not stop loving his children because God is pure love. Those who judge others and use God to base their judgment offend God even more than the ones who reject him because there is nothing that God hates more than arrogance and pride, and condemn others and feel better than them is a clear case of pride and arrogance." While he didn't make me believe in God ( I am a very fact based person), he made me want to believe in his God... you for the other side only help me to feel rejection for what you call your God... I answered the OP's question, that is all, based on what the Bible says about prayer. If you feel convicted based on what the Bible says, then that is your issue. I merely responded to the OP's question based on what the Bible says. If you don't like the answer, then perhaps you shouldn't read my posts if they bother you. Let me ask you this, why do people ask specific questions of Christians, and then blame them for answering? This is not the first time this has happened on LS. Apparently you have an agenda which is pretty obvious to me. You are not really interested in the answer, you only want to cast blame for my answering it. So I am done talking to you. Your intentions in this thread are not sincere. That is obvious, based on your posting history. Edited July 1, 2013 by KathyM Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 I have noticed, as well, the lack of compassion on LS for people who are struggling. I went through a pretty low period, myself, last year. There were several compassionate people on here who supported me but I'm afraid to say that wasn't the norm. ((((((((((hugs))))))))) I so wish you wouldn't have had to go through that:( 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 No one claims to know everything... I in particular have strong respect for the believes of other people because all my family is catholic and I have met very good people who were religious in one or other way. I however will not sit in my ass and watch how a desperate guy gets outcasted by some people who feel better than other just because they pray to the God they believe to be the true one and the desperate guy has lost his faith for his own reasons... instead of trying to counsel him and help him he is getting outcasted... Most people here speak from the logical stand point... since there was a poster who claimed to understand God ways we played the same game Speaking of which- OP where are you? You out with those 3 chicks or what???? Anyway we love you and hope you come back! FTR Therhythm, you're the best! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
therhythm Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) My point was that you claim you don't care one way or another, which surprises me given that you spend so much time debating the issue. Ok, it looks the concept is difficult for you... I care because I believe in my stand which is non of the other two.... so if someone wants to claim that there is a God I will ask for evidences and if someone claims that there is no God I would ask them for evidences too... I am not like you... if I am shown proof for one or another (believe or disbelive) I would willingly accept I was wrong. If you want to know more look for the term agnostic in Google.... Then why are you complaining on this thread about Him? The OP asked specifically of those who follow God, why his prayers were not answered when he prayed. I answered his question based on what the Bible says about prayer. The Bible IS the word of God. There is where you are wrong... the Bible is the word of God following your religion... but there are many other religions and then those who believe in God but without religion... Sorry to tell you but God is not your own property ... The OP asked the question. I answered him based on what the Bible says about prayer. If he didn't want to hear the answer, maybe he shouldn't have asked the question. Perhaps you should stop answering on behalf of the OP. I don't answer on behalf of the OP, actually I am pretty sure his position and mine are totally different. I am just telling you that when a person is desperate, that person needs compassion and help... not the cold bs of someone bitter and defensive! I didn't say God was human. I said man was created in the image of God. Whatever works for you! Matthew 19:13-15, "Then little children were being brought to Jesus in order that he might lay His hands on them and pray. The disciples spoke sternly to those who brought them, but Jesus said, 'Let the little children come to me, and do not stop them, for to such belong the kingdom of heaven." It says that children are welcome around him not that he would accept them if they did not believe on him ... but I guess you choose to interpret the Bible how you want... and sit in your high horse and judge the guy... I answered the OP's question, that is all, based on what the Bible says about prayer. If you feel convicted based on what the Bible says, then that is your issue. I merely responded to the OP's question based on what the Bible says. If you don't like the answer, then perhaps you shouldn't read my posts if they bother you. I don't feel convicted... don't you see how arrogant you are? You should read your bible and see what says about arrogant and prideful people ... Let me ask you this, why do people ask specific questions of Christians, and then blame them for answering? OP asked the question to the religious people and not to the "Christians".. you are not the only religion in this world you know? He only mentioned Christians after Christians have been mentioned to him... This is not the first time this has happened on LS. Apparently you have an agenda which is pretty obvious to me. You are not really interested in the answer, you only want to cast blame for my answering it. So I am done talking to you. Your intentions in this thread are not sincere. That is obvious, based on your posting history. Your arrogance really baffles me.... I don't know if I have to laugh or to cry... do you find yourself so important that I need to plot and have hidden agendas against you? Look for Therapy... you need some humility... Edited July 1, 2013 by therhythm Link to post Share on other sites
Eve Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 When I stopped following god, my life improved alot. My grades went up, I made new friends, and my overall quality of life went better. In fact, a few days ago, I did a prayer to satan just to see what would happen. I got 3 girls numbers over the weekend. So much for god being kind and loving. To anyone who follows god, explain this I have found that it is about what definition of God we carry in the first instance within our hearts and this trumps anything we do physically or even spiritually. With regard to the Christian faith, really the marker is simply that most of those who identify The Christ as The Christ within Scripture and within life have a sense of knowing Him to be who He said He is. This sense of knowing is the primary reason for following Him. I am not sure this really happened for you, hence the line of questioning to test God to see if He is real or not. Testing God is advised within Scripture primarily to see the true desires of ones heart. Scripture describes this as a spiritual juncture in many different ways within the Old and New Testement. The lives of the prophets and peoples of different eras are used as examples from which it is usually quite clear what heart or spirit was being carried towards God and man. Many examples of their prayers and Gods answers to their prayers are recorded as good examples to follow and many choose these examples as a foundation for their faith. Many examples of lack of faith are also shown and I am sure you are aware of the great spoiler in Revelation. It is my experience therefore that people who state that their prayers have been answered usually confess that God lives in their hearts. Their testimony serves to inspire others mainly because they become evidence of both God and love to many. I only hope that you continue to recieve support for your Aspergers and do not go through with the harmful thoughts you have expressed at various points. Take care, Eve x 2 Link to post Share on other sites
William Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Considering the provocative nature of the starting post and where the thread has gone, moderation is going to close this for now and do a review. We'll leave it visible for reading and should have it back open to comment within 24 hours. Thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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