Karma does not exist.

[Eve]

Can't say I get tempted to compare myself with people who clearly are dodgy much, if at all.

 

Yeah some people do great even though they are corrupt but I still wouldn't want to be around them. I find that the vibe isn't right around them no matter what they accummulate. They attract like minded persons also who give off the same vibe too. I often can't even stay in a room with such people.

 

So no, surface level stuff can be dressed up but who the person is matters above all else. I think that is their karma in effect. I would rather work on my own peace and mind my own business.

 

Take care,

Eve x

[xxoo]

I seem to choose people that put on shows? Same case for most recent guy. Taking me out on dates, dinners, movies, we got closer, we had sex (d'oh) and when I went to have "the talk" he completely ghosted on me.

 

I mean... THE HELL! How can you even trust people when they are one way to your face, but below the surface completely phony?

 

I'm sorry that happened to you. That sucks.

 

It's also a really good reason to have "the talk" before sex. Did he deceive, or did you assume?

 

Many people here on LS talk about not wanting a serious relationship, just serial dating relationships. I don't get it, but for many that is a desirable thing. It's not evil, just different.

[happydate]

So, throughout life I've always heard, "Karma will get them." But I'm really coming to see that there is no such thing as Karma.

 

I notice that everyone who acts like an a.sshole in life, or girls who act bitchy, or people who have no morals or integrity are the ones who climb through the ladders of life.

 

Take my ex for example. He severely screwed over HIS ex, and then wound up with me. I treated him like gold for 3 years. He then severely screwed ME over and has since: been promoted, has his own apartment, and a beautiful new great girlfriend.

 

I used to believe if you did bad things to others, you accrued "bad karma" and it would come back to kick you in the a.ss.

 

Another example: myself. I am nothing but nice to everyone. I'm cool, laid back, I don't throw fits, I'm not drama, I'm good with compromise, treat people with respect, have fun, and am over all a very happy person. I treat my partners with utmost respect, I have high morals and integrity. I say what I mean, and mean what I say. I don't cheat others, play others, use others, or otherwise take advantage of situations/people.

 

Where does this get me? Lied to. Time and time again. Cheated on. Played. Used like a tissue and thrown in the garbage like I am nothing but something to play with. I'm often tossed aside, discarded, overlooked, passed on. I'm always the "in between person" or the "person for right now." I get relationships failing, then I lose my job, I'm about to give up my car because I can't afford my rent on unemployment.

 

What karma is this? What have I ever done to have life just take dumps time and time again all over me?

 

I'm at the point where I don't even want to be a nice person anymore. I'm on the ledge and about to jump of and just be like everyone else. What incentive do I have to remain the way I am? I get walked on like a rug.

 

I have major trust issues from my ex and now I've realized you can't even trust people when they're being nice. People always have an agenda with me.

 

I used to fear karma. I'd feel guilt if I did something wrong. I think I'm going to toss that mentality right out the window.

 

Karma is nothing something to fear; at least at a soul level. It's something to embrace. If you believe in reincarnation at all, some souls reincarnate as many as 10 lifetimes just to repay 1 lesson in life like binge drinking, whereas another soul can take like 30 mins to complete 1 lesson through alcohol anonymous and some guts!

 

Karma provides to us as a physical entity the human experience that the soul can take back when you are one with the creator again. It is through balance between each souls you had a contract with. All of these exes you went through, the tough lives you had gone through are all your soul's doing. You signed a contract to come to this earth to experience the agony, the unfairness.

 

What is the lesson here?!?

 

Authenticity is the lesson for you. The Karmic lesson here to resolve is, how can you become true to yourself!?!

 

Being nice is what causing you to suffer, because all in your life, you are trying to make everyone happy but not yourself because you fear that not being nice, you will be judged, you will be criticized and you don't like that. In doing that, you are causing a lot of karmic debt; an imbalance of the energy because God didn't create you to make others happy. God created you into an image of him so you should happy about yourself. It is NOT your job to make others happy in expense of you.

 

The so called jerks and bad boys are actually happier than you. Why? Because they can express themselves fully without inhibition. You had to express yourself through filters of niceness. Probably in this lifetime, you are meant to correct this imbalance of authenticity and that you are not following your calling. When your life start to spiral downhill, it really means you have to really step up yourself to the plate and be more authentic. It's okay to express yourself authentic even if it means stepping on a few toes. This is the first step in addressing your karmic debt. It will relieve ALL YOUR repressed emotions in you because you always felt in your life that you are being used and discarded. It will remove stress and make you feel better.

 

I am NOT saying you should become the jerk boyfriend and be a mean girl. Nope and please no. But you should speak up and be genuine and sincere. Speak the truth and step a few more toes. You can not simply make billions of human beings on earth all like you for just being nice. It's impossible and it will create even more karmic debt.

Edited July 10, 2013 by happydate

[KatZee]

A sample size of two men? I'd carry on. It's going to take a lot more dating and relationships before you find someone compatible.

 

I have a sample size of actually 9. Not two. Those two are the only one's I referenced.

 

From 17-28 I've dated 9 guys. Fluke x9. One wound up having two girlfriends at the same time, one I legit messed up, next three were users, the next was a passive socially inept individual I dumped, the next was so clingy and needy he'd cry out of no where, dump. The next was my liar and cheater, the next, a user.

 

I'm cursed. For real.

[KatZee]

You signed a contract to come to this earth to experience the agony, the unfairness.

 

Authenticity is the lesson for you. The Karmic lesson here to resolve is, how can you become true to yourself!?!

 

Being nice is what causing you to suffer, because all in your life, you are trying to make everyone happy but not yourself because you fear that not being nice, you will be judged, you will be criticized and you don't like that. In doing that, you are causing a lot of karmic debt; an imbalance of the energy because God didn't create you to make others happy. God created you into an image of him so you should happy about yourself. It is NOT your job to make others happy in expense of you.

 

Why would I sign that contract?!!??!?! >

 

The following what you wrote is actually so very true for me. I'm always putting someone else before myself. Not for fear of karma or anything, but that's just how I am. I always worry about someone else before myself, I won't even put myself first if we both can't have something at the same time (Ie: I won't sit down if there's only one chair and the other person has to stand.)

 

I wouldn't even know how to go about changing this up. Tips?

[TaraMaiden]

Please look at the third item in my signature for a description of what Karma actually is.

Then come back and re-evaluate your thread and contributions to it, on that basis.

[happydate]

Please look at the third item in my signature for a description of what Karma actually is.

Then come back and re-evaluate your thread and contributions to it, on that basis.

 

Karma transcends all duality, which is what religion and a lot of Ki or Chi teachings are "not" based on, because it's based on physical observation on this physical earth. Your description is based on duality on this physical world which is correct. My views and I had meditated on this and the Universe told me that Karma transcends all duality and ego and goes beyond your teachings. Your teaching has value on this earth, but I felt it can go further. Read Edgar Cayce readings on Karma.

 

Karma is basically a recurring thought pattern/memories deep in the subconscious that repeats itself from one life time after another if you believe in reincarnation at all. It's based on the book of life, the Akashic Records if you can actually have the ability to tap into it. The cause and effect is an observation on this physical 3 dimensional world on this time line and on this dimension. While we can have the same cause, the effect can be interpreted differently in a different time line and in a different dimension. There is no retribution nor punishment. Simply a set of positive elements and negative elements. The idea is to work on your Karma and turn these negative elements positive which then heals all time lines (past, present and future) and in all dimensions. We are beings in a constant state of learning. The Universe never stands still and is always moving. It's a false belief that we can resolve Karma and that's it. It's always new lessons to be learned. When people treat Karma as a blessing from the Universe, then people accept it as lessons and not some kind of oppressive relationship that you have with the Universe and personal spiritual growth will continue.

Edited July 10, 2013 by happydate

[TaraMaiden]

Karma transcends all duality, which is what religion and a lot of Ki or Chi teachings are "not" based on, because it's based on physical observation on this physical earth. Your description is based on duality on this physical world which is correct. My views and I had meditated on this and the Universe told me that Karma transcends all duality and ego and goes beyond your teachings. Your teaching has value on this earth, but I felt it can go further. Read Edgar Cayce readings on Karma.

 

Karma is basically a recurring thought pattern/memories deep in the subconscious that repeats itself from one life time after another if you believe in reincarnation at all. It's based on the book of life, the Akashic Records if you can actually have the ability to tap into it. The cause and effect is an observation on this physical 3 dimensional world on this time line and on this dimension. While we can have the same cause, the effect can be interpreted differently in a different time line and in a different dimension. There is no retribution nor punishment. Simply a set of positive elements and negative elements. The idea is to work on your Karma and turn these negative elements positive which then heals all time lines (past, present and future) and in all dimensions. We are beings in a constant state of learning. The Universe never stands still and is always moving. It's a false belief that we can resolve Karma and that's it. It's always new lessons to be learned. When people treat Karma as a blessing from the Universe, then people accept it as lessons and not some kind of oppressive relationship that you have with the Universe and personal spiritual growth will continue.

 

This is an aspect of the subject I chose to NOT expand into.

I did point out in more than one post, that the complexities of Karma were really not a subject to delve into, on a relationships discussion forum, which is why I kept my discussion on as simplistic a level as I could.

 

However, I am sceptical regarding reincarnation.

Much more open to the notion of re-birth.

 

And I do very much take on board the Buddha's own teaching on attempting to understand and discern the extremely complex workings of karma, many of which, given my own personal very simple state of mind, really are both unfathomable and mostly conjecture, however much of an 'educated guess' it might all be.

 

Thank you for your input.

[happydate]

Why would I sign that contract?!!??!?! >

 

The following what you wrote is actually so very true for me. I'm always putting someone else before myself. Not for fear of karma or anything, but that's just how I am. I always worry about someone else before myself, I won't even put myself first if we both can't have something at the same time (Ie: I won't sit down if there's only one chair and the other person has to stand.)

 

I wouldn't even know how to go about changing this up. Tips?

 

There are 2 accepted teachings of Karma; one operates on a human time line with cause and effect and the other, operates on laws of the Universe.

 

Since the Universe has "NO" time line, it always operates in the "now" present moment. Therefore, cause and effect is perceived in the human physical world as a time line. The cause can be either in the past or present and the effect happens in the future. In the Universal world, there is no such things as cause and effect.

 

My explanation will be based on the laws of the Universe, where Karma is basically a set of patterns and memories developed and reinforced through many past lives. Since souls are eternal, there is no need to achieve ascension or spiritual growth in a big hurry. Why did we develop all these patterns and memories. Because a soul with unconditional love but devoid of the actual experience of it is not fulfilling. It's the same as you read the travel magazine and look at photos of Mexico. Just because you saw Mexico in a magazine does not mean you actually experience, the air, the ambiance, the culture in physicality. So you need a thing to provide you with the experience.

 

In your case, your soul wants to experience being nice and being a people pleaser, so your soul need other souls in your group to provide this experience. Your soul signed contracts with other souls to act out these events for the benefit of your soul growth. Here comes the interesting part.

Some souls projected entities, like Jesus Christ, are adaptive enough to learn the lesson quickly.

Once the lesson is learned, the Karma is dissolved. You will NOT need to repeat it because once Karma is dissolved, that lesson transcends all time line and all dimensions. Which is why some people you notice have better lives than you do. Is it by luck? I think not.

 

When you come to earth to be reborn as an entity, the soul already possess all these patterns and memories waiting for the right causes to yield their effects. You have no control over this. You do, however, have control on your free will which means you can override your patterns being a nice person and strive for being authentic and real while stepping on some toes in the process. Once you have morphed yourself into this, you'll find that the bad things that keep drawing towards you will no longer manifest themselves. If you are unable to override these patterns, there are people who do PLR and EFT that can help.

 

Therefore, you must embrace lessons and karma with grace and that you must have a joyful relationship with the universe. When people starts talking karma as though it is a cause and effect, then the person has an oppressive relationship with the universe, as though the universe is punishing the person for their misdeeds. The universe does not judge anyone and you are only judged when your life ends on this earth and you face the Universe in the hall of mirrors; ONLY to reflect and give guidance with unconditional love on your lessons you did when you are on earth. Even in the universe itself, there's so much unconditional love.

Edited July 10, 2013 by happydate

[TaraMaiden]

Buddhism negates the existence of a soul, could I just point out.

There is no such thing as a 'soul', as far as Buddhists are concerned.

And I still think this kind of discussion is really just a bit too deep for this thread, because I don't believe the OP ever meant it to go so deep.

 

That's my perception though.

[BetheButterfly]

I'm not sure I'm capable of forgiving my ex. He hurt me far too much to earn any forgiveness from me. I did however forgive myself, for allowing myself to be with him, for believing him, and for ignoring certain red flags.

 

Forgiving oneself is a start.

 

I don't hate him anymore,

 

That's another great step.

 

I'm completely over him...

 

It takes awhile, but the best way to be over someone is to no longer think about that person in a negative way, to let those negative thoughts go.

 

I put myself out there and bam! rejection again lol.

 

The rejection hurts badly.

 

I seriously think I must have been a serial killer in my last life because for the life of me, I can never catch a break.

 

I disagree. I just think there are less guys in the world who are good and loving.

[happydate]

Buddhism negates the existence of a soul, could I just point out.

There is no such thing as a 'soul', as far as Buddhists are concerned.

And I still think this kind of discussion is really just a bit too deep for this thread, because I don't believe the OP ever meant it to go so deep.

 

That's my perception though.

 

The same as most Christians who don't believe in re-incarnation -- rather than rebirth. Jesus Christ was the student of the Essenes who are firm believers of souls and reincarnation. Somehow when Jesus Christ graduated from the school of the Essenes, he didn't teach soul and re-incarnation to his students and disciples?!? I find that hard to believe that Jesus would do this.

 

So what's going on here? Did Jesus not believe what the Essenes taught him or rather, his disciples transcribed his teachings from Hebrew with error and omissions to the now English version of the King James bible and now, you have something that's not completely accurate?

 

That's my perception though.

[Eve]

There are 2 accepted teachings of Karma; one operates on a human time line with cause and effect and the other, operates on laws of the Universe.

 

Since the Universe has "NO" time line, it always operates in the "now" present moment. Therefore, cause and effect is perceived in the human physical world as a time line. The cause can be either in the past or present and the effect happens in the future. In the Universal world, there is no such things as cause and effect.

 

My explanation will be based on the laws of the Universe, where Karma is basically a set of patterns and memories developed and reinforced through many past lives. Since souls are eternal, there is no need to achieve ascension or spiritual growth in a big hurry. Why did we develop all these patterns and memories. Because a soul with unconditional love but devoid of the actual experience of it is not fulfilling. It's the same as you read the travel magazine and look at photos of Mexico. Just because you saw Mexico in a magazine does not mean you actually experience, the air, the ambiance, the culture in physicality. So you need a thing to provide you with the experience.

 

In your case, your soul wants to experience being nice and being a people pleaser, so your soul need other souls in your group to provide this experience. Your soul signed contracts with other souls to act out these events for the benefit of your soul growth. Here comes the interesting part.

Some souls projected entities, like Jesus Christ, are adaptive enough to learn the lesson quickly.

Once the lesson is learned, the Karma is dissolved. You will NOT need to repeat it because once Karma is dissolved, that lesson transcends all time line and all dimensions. Which is why some people you notice have better lives than you do. Is it by luck? I think not.

 

When you come to earth to be reborn as an entity, the soul already possess all these patterns and memories waiting for the right causes to yield their effects. You have no control over this. You do, however, have control on your free will which means you can override your patterns being a nice person and strive for being authentic and real while stepping on some toes in the process. Once you have morphed yourself into this, you'll find that the bad things that keep drawing towards you will no longer manifest themselves. If you are unable to override these patterns, there are people who do PLR and EFT that can help.

 

Therefore, you must embrace lessons and karma with grace and that you must have a joyful relationship with the universe. When people starts talking karma as though it is a cause and effect, then the person has an oppressive relationship with the universe, as though the universe is punishing the person for their misdeeds. The universe does not judge anyone and you are only judged when your life ends on this earth and you face the Universe in the hall of mirrors; ONLY to reflect and give guidance with unconditional love on your lessons you did when you are on earth. Even in the universe itself, there's so much unconditional love.

 

Where is this teaching from?

 

I ask because I have been disheartened by a book I am reading on reincarnation. Apparently (according to this book) reincarnation was an accepted part of Christianity until the 1600's. I did not know this and really I would like to know more.

 

I already know for certain that there is a God and I know the power in the name of Christ. Just trying to work out where karma and the whole rebirth thing would fit in. I know Scripture pretty well and can't currently think of where this could fit.

 

I hope this would be ok with the OP and mods.

 

Many thanks.

 

Take care,

Eve x

[Eve]

Ok, I saw the new thread by Bethebutterfly and understand what to now research.

 

Take care,

Eve x