Maybe we should just look for alternatives?

[ltjg45]

Wouldn't you need critical strike and haste for that, too?

 

I think he doesn't have enough mana for that.

 

I'm so going to play some World of Warcraft before I go back to work tonight.

[Els]

I'm so going to play some World of Warcraft before I go back to work tonight.

 

Don't forget to stack mastery, or you'll fail in your quest towards becoming elite!

[Pompeii]

Don't forget to stack mastery, or you'll fail in your quest towards becoming elite!

 

Sorry, but unfortunately for you my goals of becoming a better man and human being have nothing to do with any type of games or child's play. The fact that you ridicule my ideals at every turn just proves to me that I'm on the right path but I didn't need you to do so for me to know that.

[ScreamingTrees]

Right, because women are nothing more than warm damp things to put our junk inside of and they can be easily replaced by plasticky masturbation devices.

 

Let us know how that trip to the restaurant goes when you get a table for two and have your Fleshlight occupy the seat across from you! I'm sure the conversation will be great.

 

Why would he need two seats if he's alone? Why would he treat said "warm damp sperm receptacle thing" as you would a real person? The guy would know it's just a tool, it's not a person.

 

What, is a woman like a drug or something that the guy's going to have withdrawals without? Why couldn't the guy just bring a friend along if he can't get a woman?

[CrazyConcept]

Why would he need two seats if he's alone? Why would he treat said "warm damp sperm receptacle thing" as you would a real person? The guy would know it's just a tool, it's not a person.

 

What, is a woman like a drug or something that the guy's going to have withdrawals without? Why couldn't the guy just bring a friend along if he can't get a woman?

 

Yes, being in love is very much like being on drugs. Even scientists say so.

[Els]

 

What, is a woman like a drug or something that the guy's going to have withdrawals without? Why couldn't the guy just bring a friend along if he can't get a woman?

 

Try asking a male friend out to a nice restaurant on Saturday evening, just the two of you, and watch him run away from you so fast the soap can't hit the floor...

 

In all seriousness, I agree that that definitely is a crappy reason to want someone in your life. The 'alternatives' by the OP are way better - at least they don't involve wasting another human being's time, if all you want is a masturbatory device.

[Mariibabii]

I think for a lot of the men in the OP's predicament, it's their expectations that are in the stratosphere. We're not saying go date an ogre, maybe just realize, there are real women who you wouldn't date that might date you.

 

What's wrong with giving that single mom a chance? Or that redhead? Or that thick woman? Or that Indian woman? Or the lady with the small gap in her teeth? Or the super market lady with the curly hair? Or the lady car mechanic?

 

I think the problem is that society has conditioned people to think that to be a good mate you have to fit into little boxes. If the person doesn't fit into his or her exact little boxes, they won't be attracted.

 

Lots of men say stuff like if she's not raising my "drawbridge" she's not getting in, but don't realize that its the same for some women.

 

I think people need to stop letting their pants think for them and let their heads prevail. Ultimately you control your pants, not the other way around.

 

There are women who will probably fall for OP (I've seen some undesirable guys get married and have that white picket fence life... not rich either) but OP needs to look at breaking outside of his predetermined boxes. Get to know the underdogs of the dating world. They might surprise you!

[fortyninethousand322]

Right, because women are nothing more than warm damp things to put our junk inside of and they can be easily replaced by plasticky masturbation devices.

 

Let us know how that trip to the restaurant goes when you get a table for two and have your Fleshlight occupy the seat across from you! I'm sure the conversation will be great.

 

This is true. Something like a fleshlight would not be preferable to me.

 

I'd need a robot with a good AI who could have great conversations and liked to go to ball games or museums or something...

[Pompeii]

I think for a lot of the men in the OP's predicament, it's their expectations that are in the stratosphere. We're not saying go date an ogre, maybe just realize, there are real women who you wouldn't date that might date you.

 

What's wrong with giving that single mom a chance? Or that redhead? Or that thick woman? Or that Indian woman? Or the lady with the small gap in her teeth? Or the super market lady with the curly hair? Or the lady car mechanic?

 

I think the problem is that society has conditioned people to think that to be a good mate you have to fit into little boxes. If the person doesn't fit into his or her exact little boxes, they won't be attracted.

 

Lots of men say stuff like if she's not raising my "drawbridge" she's not getting in, but don't realize that its the same for some women.

 

I think people need to stop letting their pants think for them and let their heads prevail. Ultimately you control your pants, not the other way around.

 

There are women who will probably fall for OP (I've seen some undesirable guys get married and have that white picket fence life... not rich either) but OP needs to look at breaking outside of his predetermined boxes. Get to know the underdogs of the dating world. They might surprise you!

 

So you're pretty much saying to be mediocre and settle for something you don't want. Laughable, at best.

 

I find it funny when men are having trouble in the dating realm then it is their fault but when women are having trouble, it is the stupid man's fault. I highly doubt a lot of guys here are going after the Kate Uptons of the world. Granted, with successive failures it can be assured that the only constant is them. Most men, especially these guys have zero idea of how to approach a woman correctly and generate sexual interest. That's the problem.

[Mariibabii]

So you're pretty much saying to be mediocre and settle for something you don't want. Laughable, at best.

 

I find it funny when men are having trouble in the dating realm then it is their fault but when women are having trouble, it is the stupid man's fault. I highly doubt a lot of guys here are going after the Kate Uptons of the world. Granted, with successive failures it can be assured that the only constant is them. Most men, especially these guys have zero idea of how to approach a woman correctly and generate sexual interest. That's the problem.

 

I didn't say it was just men with this problem.. I said "Society has conditioned people...". You took that the way you wanted to. Women have this same problem too.

 

And it's not "settling" or "being mediocre".. What's mediocre about the person who you get along with perfectly and are attracted to but just has a child? Does that kill your drawbridge?

 

What's wrong with the person who you think their personality is amazing and has a pretty face other than just a small gap in their teeth?

 

People can convince themselves if something is a deal breaker or not.

 

I would say the same to a woman.

 

If people stopped being so petty over small things they wouldn't be as single. I'm not saying, go date an professional criminal or someone who is ugly inside and out. That's irrational. I am definitely not saying go marry a 900 lb person with an awesome personality if that's the only person that wants you.

 

You argue that it is the approach of the man that is leaving him lonely but you forget to realize it's also WHO he approaches. You and I know the definition of insanity. Some people you can approach with a space ship and magic beans and they will still turn you down. Like if OP kept approaching brunettes and they were turning him down, I would say, approach non brunettes. Do something different. These and other groups are only seen as non-desirables because most people see them that way. If popular perception flipped...

 

What's laughable is that you're encouraging these dejected men to subscribe to the basic formula of game = success! No, unfortunately it is no where near that simple. Especially for a successful relationship.

[Pompeii]

I didn't say it was just men with this problem.. I said "Society has conditioned people...". You took that the way you wanted to. Women have this same problem too.

 

And it's not "settling" or "being mediocre".. What's mediocre about the person who you get along with perfectly and are attracted to but just has a child? Does that kill your drawbridge?

 

What's wrong with the person who you think their personality is amazing and has a pretty face other than just a small gap in their teeth?

 

People can convince themselves if something is a deal breaker or not.

 

I would say the same to a woman.

 

If people stopped being so petty over small things they wouldn't be as single. I'm not saying, go date an professional criminal or someone who is ugly inside and out. That's irrational. I am definitely not saying go marry a 900 lb person with an awesome personality if that's the only person that wants you.

 

You argue that it is the approach of the man that is leaving him lonely but you forget to realize it's also WHO he approaches. You and I know the definition of insanity. Some people you can approach with a space ship and magic beans and they will still turn you down. Like if OP kept approaching brunettes and they were turning him down, I would say, approach non brunettes. Do something different. These and other groups are only seen as non-desirables because most people see them that way. If popular perception flipped...

 

What's laughable is that you're encouraging these dejected men to subscribe to the basic formula of game = success! No, unfortunately it is no where near that simple. Especially for a successful relationship.

 

 

This is hilarious. Another reason why I take virtually no one on this site seriously. The focus is on men in this topic, is it not? Men can date whoever they want and put whatever standards on the person they want. Doesn't mean that they'll be successful, but that's their right.

 

Also nowhere in my paragraph did I mention or imply anything about "game". A lot of men simply don't know how to turn a woman from thinking about him as a friend or a stranger to thinking about him as a possible sexual partner.

 

Speaking of "game", it may not get you "a successful relationship" (whatever the hell that is) but its sure better than jerking yourself stupid for the 24695th night in a row.

[ltjg45]

What's wrong with giving that single mom a chance?

 

I really isn't interested in dealing with any more kids for at least another decade after the hell I went through and dating single mothers basically comes with the child whether I like it or not.

 

Not to mention being with a woman who has a child that isn't mine rubs me the wrong way.

 

I'll pass.

 

Or that redhead?

 

Got to be one good-looking redhead. For the most part, I'm not attracted to them.

 

Or that thick woman?

 

Can't see myself dating anymore who weights more than me. That would give me a pass to be fat myself and that is inexcusable.

 

Nothing against thick women, of course. All it does is prove my mother's point that I will eventually get as big as her one day. I refuse to even get halfway to her weight and I mean that.

 

Or that Indian woman?

 

Is she attractive? I certainly hope so if you expect me to approach her.

 

My motto is that if I can't see me having sex with that woman, I should not bother approaching her.

 

Or the lady with the small gap in her teeth?

 

I certainly hope she makes up for it in many other different areas.

 

Average-looking with a gap in her teeth usually means a pass for me. Once I see it, I can't find a way to forget about it and that will eventually hurt my sex drive.

 

Or the super market lady with the curly hair?

 

If she's cute, I'm in. If she isn't cute, I will pass.

 

It also depends largely on how she generally look too. Few women actually pulls it off pretty well and I can get a boner with little difficulty. Most women can't and I couldn't even look at them let alone talk to them.

 

Or the lady car mechanic?

 

Too manly.

 

Seriously.

 

When I think of a woman, the images I get is the complete opposite of ones who fixes cars.

[Mariibabii]

This is hilarious. Another reason why I take virtually no one on this site seriously. The focus is on men in this topic, is it not? Men can date whoever they want and put whatever standards on the person they want. Doesn't mean that they'll be successful, but that's their right.

 

Also nowhere in my paragraph did I mention or imply anything about "game". A lot of men simply don't know how to turn a woman from thinking about him as a friend or a stranger to thinking about him as a possible sexual partner.

 

Speaking of "game", it may not get you "a successful relationship" (whatever the hell that is) but its sure better than jerking yourself stupid for the 24695th night in a row.

 

The reason why I mentioned it from the general point of view, addressing people instead of men, was because I didn't want to come off as attacking men. It's not just them with the problem so I briefly mentioned women. I am a woman and giving things from a woman's point of view. I was trying to broaden the OP's horizons in case he decided to give dating a try again. He seemed jaded with all the rejection he had received. Another member mentioned being with a real woman instead of an object, so that's why I gave this advice.*

 

The topic is about men's alternatives. One alternative is that instead of dating just the usual, the men try to should shake things up. Nobody is saying that men can't have standards, but I was just illuminating another avenue to look at. That is not preposterous or laughable. It's a choice. If you choose to have certain standards that yield certain results, you can't get mad at said results. Every choice has a consequence. Standards are a conscious decision. Most people listen to the man in their pants but believe it or not your brain decides what he wants. Nobody is saying have wild abandon and chase anything resembling a woman either. I was presenting these choices for men who find themselves in a similar position as the OP.*

 

Isn't the whole point to be successful in your objectives with a woman? Men can try to date whomever they want..I don't know anyone who goes out trying to date with the intent of being unsuccessful.*

 

Game, pickup artistry, whatever term you're comfortable with. Basically meaning approaching women and getting women interested in them sexually.*

 

My advice was for men looking to date and form relationships. If you're talking about trying to bed a woman, and are not finding success, that's usually a confidence issue. Nobody can help you if you aren't confident enough, that's a personal problem.*

 

That's ok if you don't take me or many of us seriously.. That's because of your perception and your opinions.

 

It's advice, and just because you don't agree doesn't make it invalid. It just means the advice was not right for you. Don't take it too personally.*

 

Here's advice for you:

 

You cannot let your past burdens/ issues against women cloud future opportunities. *

[Mariibabii]

I really isn't interested in dealing with any more kids for at least another decade after the hell I went through and dating single mothers basically comes with the child whether I like it or not.

 

Not to mention being with a woman who has a child that isn't mine rubs me the wrong way.

 

I'll pass.

 

 

 

Got to be one good-looking redhead. For the most part, I'm not attracted to them.

 

 

 

Can't see myself dating anymore who weights more than me. That would give me a pass to be fat myself and that is inexcusable.

 

Nothing against thick women, of course. All it does is prove my mother's point that I will eventually get as big as her one day. I refuse to even get halfway to her weight and I mean that.

 

 

 

Is she attractive? I certainly hope so if you expect me to approach her.

 

My motto is that if I can't see me having sex with that woman, I should not bother approaching her.

 

 

 

I certainly hope she makes up for it in many other different areas.

 

Average-looking with a gap in her teeth usually means a pass for me. Once I see it, I can't find a way to forget about it and that will eventually hurt my sex drive.

 

 

 

If she's cute, I'm in. If she isn't cute, I will pass.

 

It also depends largely on how she generally look too. Few women actually pulls it off pretty well and I can get a boner with little difficulty. Most women can't and I couldn't even look at them let alone talk to them.

 

 

 

Too manly.

 

Seriously.

 

When I think of a woman, the images I get is the complete opposite of ones who fixes cars.

 

 

I thank you for looking at things through a different perspective. Even though you didn't like all of my suggestions, you did it constructively and productively.

 

Of course attraction is important so I understand, I just wanted people to look at things through a different lens.

 

Perception is important.

[New User]

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What's wrong with giving that single mom a chance? Or that redhead? Or that thick woman? Or that Indian woman? Or the lady with the small gap in her teeth? Or the super market lady with the curly hair? Or the lady car mechanic?

 

 

 

I can't help but be amused at the reference to that gat-toothed woman. Particularly considering what that used to be considered an indication of.

[ltjg45]

I thank you for looking at things through a different perspective. Even though you didn't like all of my suggestions, you did it constructively and productively.

 

Of course attraction is important so I understand, I just wanted people to look at things through a different lens.

 

Perception is important.

 

Another reason why I have this stance is because of these things:

1. Relationships in general is failing massively in my generation.

2. Romance is basically dead and I desire it highly in any relationship I get, provided that I ever get into one to begin with. If I sleep with a woman, I want to put everything I have in it and leave nothing behind.

3. In order to reduce the chance of getting burned badly, I'm paying it safe and is screening any woman I like for a week or two before I approach.

 

Case-in-point, if I can't look at you for a few seconds and get a very hard boner just like that, I don't want you enough to approach you. This applies to all women. Due to that rule, I can be considered as very picky......

 

.....and another reason why I'm a 26-year old virgin who never had a girlfriend, apparently.

[man_in_the_box]

Wouldn't you need critical strike and haste for that, too?

 

I bet the guy isn't even hit-capped.

[Els]

I bet the guy isn't even hit-capped.

 

Oh, man, how did I miss this??? :laugh::laugh:

 

You're right, that explains the low dps despite his uber mastery...

[nescafe1982]

You'd think women would take the hint and lower the bar down out of the stratosphere a little... but NOOOOOOOOO!!!

 

This one really jumped out at me, because when it comes to just getting sex, the bar has really never been lower in our current culture. What would these kind of men have us dames do... go to the bar naked and bend over on it? What entitlement.

[MissBee]

It's my experience that women these days are all saying no to men, so why aren't more of us guys looking for alternatives?

 

If you just want no-frills sex, a Fleshlight can be a worthwhile investment at $60. A quality mannequin will set you back about $300 (yes, I've priced them), and a Realdoll like the one in that movie Lars and the Real Girl will cost you about $6K rock bottom. AFAIK they don't make a Realdoll that has an electronic voice box so it can nag its owner.

 

I actually contacted Abyss Creations, the makers of the Realdoll, and asked them how many they sold since they started making them in '96. A company rep wrote me back and said they've sold over 12,000 Realdolls. That's a lot of women who've been given the ultimate rejection!

 

You'd think women would take the hint and lower the bar down out of the stratosphere a little... but NOOOOOOOOO!!! None but the best men will do!

 

 

This is funny.

[MissBee]

Right, because women are nothing more than warm damp things to put our junk inside of and they can be easily replaced by plasticky masturbation devices.

 

Let us know how that trip to the restaurant goes when you get a table for two and have your Fleshlight occupy the seat across from you! I'm sure the conversation will be great.

 

LMAOOOOO